30th Anniversary Conference discussion/Binary Code [merged]

[puddlepirate]

In Murray code, i.e if it had been recieved via the teleprinters in use in military comms in 1980 Penniston's message would have read:

ZRARTI(SPACE)KSDTRZ(SPACE)SKBDV
(LINE FEED)
Q(SPACE)HRBRTLW(SPACE)Y
(LINE FEED)
FOI
(FIGURE SHIFT)

There are no carriage returns so when printed the text would be spread across the page. As can be seen from the last group of three characters, i.e. FOI, the message is in fact an FOI request. Obviously tape relay protocols have been ignored because all the usual preamble, including security warning prosigns are missing, There is no security classification nor Subject Indicator Codes (SIC). Nor are there any end of message functions (NNNN) or end of transmission indicator (AR) but no matter because this is only an extract from the main body of the text. I'm sure these will be revealed along with the rest of the message in a subseqent episode of Ancient Aliens. I can barely hold my breath!!...............

[puddlepirate]

The only problem being that Woodbridge is east not west - so it doesn't matter if you use lat/long or decimal co-ordinates, Woodbridge will always be EAST of Greenwich. Therefore 520942532N 13131269W is nowhere near Woodbridge.

[puddlepirate]

I see... so if the code doesn't actually fit anything, given that W is totally opposite to E, then it's OK to invent something to make it fit. How do you know it was an error by the authorof the code? It says W, i.e. west. If that was an error than how do you know everything else isn't an error? The code is absolute BS and totally meaningless.

[puddlepirate]

Apologies ST I thought you were promoting the code as having some merit! It hasn't. it's utter bollocks. In fact if you replace W with E the co-ordinates are - surprise, surprise - the location of Woodbridge and what an even bigger surpise, they are the co-ordinates for the road outside the Bull Hotel and if I were an American visiting Woodbridge, that is exactly the place I should choose to stay.

[Frank]

You're absolutely right ST. Not just different maps by the way, but also different 'hits' from searching 'Woodbridge Suffolk Coordinates' in Google - they all give different coordinates. Even the coordinates in the Wikipedia page on Woodbridge do not match those in the binary code. But Google Earth and Google Maps give 52.094253 and 1.313127. An exact match, but somehow I seem to be missing the last decimal - I use Google Earth 6.

[Observer]

For goodness sake, how did we get from just lights seen to binary codes and alien abductions. This story has snowballed out of all proportion. Stop giving us the Bull, we are not all mule heads.

Obs

[IanR]

On the older of the two Facebook pages titled Justice for the 81st, Nick P has posted a link to the trailer for his Psychic Rendlesham programme, with the toadying comment: "This is generating a lot of interest in the Bentwaters incident":
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=1 ... 576&v=wall

Penniston has slapped him down with the comment: "I have no idea what Halt is doing.... And why he would involve those kind of people with this incident.... It is just crazy for anyone to try and link rendlesham with psychic stuff."

I'm sure you will be reassured to know that Penniston, the man who received a binary message from time travellers by telepathy, thinks Pope's film project with Halt and the psychics is crazy...

Ian

[puddlepirate]

Well, as | mentioned in previous post that I cannot find now.... Do not let the truth get in the way of a good dit. Never in the field of strange happenings has so much utter bollocks been told to so many by so few.

[Deep Purple]

All hall marks of a staged disinformation campaign. let it run here and there, make people look like fools and swamp the story with inconstistencies.
Years ago I said on the forum do not accept witnesses at face value, and I got slapped down for it! I have pointed out there is only one truth about what happened but so many stories and explanations.
I suggest look at the RFI taking out most of the USAF personnel testimony-- it may well be contaminated
But whatever happened was worth covering up with a disinformation campaign running to this very day

[puddlepirate]

Well said, DP - and correct. Like Warren said, take him out of the story and there is still a story; ditto the other 'witnesses'. Taken them out of the story and there is still a story. There are other sources, not USAF, that point to something the USAF either did or were doing and whatever that was, they don't want anyone ever to find out. That alone rules out nukes, aircraft accidents and stealth because all of those are now in the public domain and have been for years.

[Deep Purple]

Hi puddle,
What you've got to remember they still dont want to reveal their methods or that there is a disinformation campaign, so it could still involve nukes, stealth or lost ordnance, equally xmas time would be good to test some surprise technology out.
I still like A10 Du rounds getting dropped in the forest, maybe accidentally from a helicopter on an underslung load which came adrift---- this would have caused panic in view of the anti nuclear movement. As they could not have gone off ' like say a lost nuke " Broken arrow" it would be just a question of locating them--- men in suits with geiger counters and a clean up operation, the US must have had plans for this type of incident and practised it.
Time Travel/ Inter dimensional--- well this is all theory and many think its not possible, and if it was why not leave something concrete to show what was possible and why come back to woodbrige over xmas?
Genuine Alien UFO-- still no real concrete proof of anything-- like grabbing a hand of sand it tends to dissappear when you try and get hold of it.
Prank? no the disinformation campaign wouldnt still be running
cheers Deep purple

[puddlepirate]

Hi DP

Not alien, ET, time travel, holograms etc... all of that is way too wacky. It has to be something manmade, of this planet and American. Something that still has the potential to seriously embarrass the USAF and perhaps also the US govt and HMG some thirty years later. A couple of years ago it was suggested on this forum that drugs were involved and suddenly all hell broke loose. Admin went into one and the topic was banned - why? There were allegations that there had been a major drugs bust on base and several service personnel were sent back to the States as a result. I believe - but will obviously be corrected - that Warren and colleagues were brought in to replace those sent home. Embarrassing and damaging to the reputation of the USAF as that might have been back then surely it would not require continued secrecy today. There has to be something else. Something far more controversial and probably something the USAF are STILL doing at or from, its UK bases today.

[Admin]

Good points, PP.

Admin went into one and the topic was banned - why?

Self preservation. I was warned by several people to let the drugs issue drop. That said, if the same topic resurfaced today, I would not interfere with it. The other Rendlesham groups/forums are very strict on content - you don't need to worry about that here.

[Ignis Fatuus]

Puddle
that Warren and colleagues were brought in to replace those sent home.

New guys are coming in -> But so is the next shipment -> Need a distraction -> Take new guys out to the gate ->>>>>>>>
Whats the biggest trade in the world? Who was/is part of it? How was it transported? Oooooh what's on this pallet?......
Now that would make a grittier movie...whether there is any truth in it or not.

Still think the real embarrassment to anybody is that people were fooled, mistakes made, protocols broken. Maybe sometimes things are covered up or swept under the UFO so as to protect the participants from further ridicule eh. Yet at the same time, other than the cast of the UFO movie, it appears that it was a non-event at the time.

IMO Everything else that has followed has been entertainment. Perhaps the way out of this embarrassing situation is by claiming the latest episode as self-parody. Poking a bit of fun at the enthusiasts, skeptic and believer alike. Look at the Pope of the Paranormal's latest trailer. All you have to do is put a laugh track on it and you've got Alan Partridge's non-offensive kooky neighbour. The funniest thing is that the Codes and the Eunuchs-X aren't meant to be funny.

Puddle
...they are the co-ordinates for the road outside the Bull Hotel and if I were an American visiting Woodbridge, that is exactly the place I should choose to stay.

Having read reviews of the place, I'd give it a miss.

[Observer]

DP & PP

You are both bang on with your recent posts. I'm pretty sure now that this 'alleged' incident is subject to a British 'Time Rule'. You must ask yourselves what was so serious that required a time rule. In a short list that I won't elaborate on, there are only 3 choices, one of which was a crime.
If the Brits amongst understand the protocols of British Time rules then it makes sense to apply one to the RFI for whatever reason, only that reason has to be pretty damn serious to go over 30 years. There are plenty of time rule examples in place to day, most of which were/are cold war related.

Obs

[Ignis Fatuus]

In a review in Magonia (No 74, April 2001) of Georgina Bruni’s You Can’t Tell The People, Peter Rogerson, admittedly with some exaggeration, put it this way:
...if you were the USAF or the British or American governments and you were pushed to into an absolute corner, which story would cause you the most embarrassment in the tabloids: “Drug crazed American servicemen fired on a lighthouse thinking it was an ALIEN SPACESHIP (shock horror), and these are the men guarding the CRUISE MISSILES” (even more shock horror); or, “Brave lightly armed US servicemen confront an ALIEN SPACESHIP, risking all to do their sacred duty and protect their precious charge”. No real contest is it? True or not, the first headline invites in all sorts of real investigative journalists, sniffing out tales of sex,9drugs and rock’n’roll, and a state of affairs too close to Bilko for comfort. The second invites cranks and makes sure that real journalists stay far away

http://home.comcast.net/~tprinty/UFO/SUNlite3_1.pdf

[Deep Purple]

Who is Peter Rogerson? and whats he got to do with anything that relates to the forum other than reviewing Georgini Bruni's book

Mean while back at the ranch have a look at this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7-hpQcrME0

Could be drugs being imported, this would be an embrassment. Military units and USAF did illegally smuggle drugs directly to the US in transport, would it require such a cover up? not sure the US did plenty of worse things in Vietnam ( massacres etc)

Firing at lighthouse--- nobody reported hearing gun fire and I would imagine the noise of an M16 being shot at night would travel several miles. Also if somebody targeted the Lighthouse with another weapon lots of other reasons for the accident rather than blaming a UFO, which would always attract so much attention.
The fact that the disinformation campaign used a UFO suugests that it was something physical to be seen, eg aircraft, spyplane , spydrone or weapon system that produced bizarre effects-- which one might attribute to a ufo. It was a seed that was planted for future denialbility.
If it was just a simple ordnance recovery why not just say special forces were practising an assualt against an airbase?

[Ignis Fatuus]

DP
Who is Peter Rogerson? and whats he got to do with anything that relates to the forum other than reviewing Georgini Bruni's book

Who Cares? - it's an intresting perspective though.

DP
Firing at lighthouse--- nobody reported hearing gun fire and I would imagine the noise of an M16 being shot at night would travel several miles. Also if somebody targeted the Lighthouse with another weapon lots of other reasons for the accident rather than blaming a UFO, which would always attract so much attention.

Peter Rogerson, admittedly with some exaggeration, put it this way:....

and

True or not, the first headline invites in all sorts of real investigative journalists, sniffing out tales of sex,9drugs and rock’n’roll, and a state of affairs too close to Bilko for comfort.

DP
The fact that the disinformation campaign used a UFO suugests that it was something physical to be seen, eg aircraft, spyplane , spydrone or weapon system that produced bizarre effects-- which one might attribute to a ufo. It was a seed that was planted for future denialbility.
If it was just a simple ordnance recovery why not just say special forces were practising an assualt against an airbase?

Why say anything at all?

@ ST - That's not the first time I've been asked that question...but no, I don't know him.

[Ignis Fatuus]

What '80s real-world situations would cause a fella to have issues with his passport?

[Ignis Fatuus]

DP
The fact that the disinformation campaign used a UFO suugests that it was something physical to be seen, eg aircraft, spyplane , spydrone or weapon system that produced bizarre effects-- which one might attribute to a ufo. It was a seed that was planted for future denialbility.

Is the mysterious Steve Roberts the first known distributor of seeds?
A Spook or one of the gang? - Opinions?
Doesn't one of the Forum Vets know his true ID?