MoD Files (August 2010)

[Admin]

Just in: http://ufos.nationalarchives.gov.uk/

Apparently there's some Rendlesham-related documents in the newest batch of 'UFO files'.

From David Clarke's summary:

DEFE 24/2042 (p 19-56) contains details of a 2002 judgement by the Parliamentary Ombudsman which led to their release. DEFE 24/1995 (p71-86) contains transcripts of interviews with two of the key USAF witnesses, T/Sgt Jim Penniston and Lt Col Charles Halt; DEFE 24/1983 (p178-79) contains the MOD position statement on the incident.

The two interviews are well-known and were conducted by Salley Rayl. There are two sketches by Jim Penniston included, the second of which has not received much attention (I hadn't seen it before). This sketch looks like it is part of Jim's original witness statement (note the chunky writing) but the bottom half, which appears to be missing, does not match up with any of the other pages.

[IanR]

For some further discussion of the released files on Dr David Clarke's Blogspot, along with the very good question Where are the UFO Whistleblowers?
http://drdavidclarke.blogspot.com/

Ian

[Frank]

Ian,

The world is swarming with wistle blowers on UFO's. A guy named Steven Greer has collected a lot of them in a press conference back in 2001.
You can watch it here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vyVe-6YdUk
The executive summary can be found here: http://www.disclosureproject.org/access/docs/pdf/ExecutiveSummary-HRdocs.pdf

Among the whistle blowers are astronauts, a former Canadian minister of defence, high ranking military personnel, etc..

Admin,

Thanks for this update! I wonder whether he second drawing gives some clues on a possible second craft leaving circular footprints.

[IanR]

DEFE 24/1983 (p178-79) contains the MOD position statement on the incident.

Actually there are more copies of papers covering the same ground on pp 77-79 and 118-121, in response to a PQ from Martin Redmond MP.

Ian

[Frank]

Ian,

The world is swarming with whistle blowers on UFO's. A guy named Steven Greer has collected a lot of them in a press conference back in 2001.
You can watch it here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vyVe-6YdUk
The executive summary can be found here: http://www.disclosureproject.org/access ... HRdocs.pdf

Among the whistle blowers are astronauts, a former Canadian minister of defence, high ranking military personnel, etc..

A project similar to Wikileaks is "The Black Vault"
Lots and lots of declassified UFO documents there: http://www.theblackvault.com/modules/?r=articles/category/UFO+Phenomena+

[IanR]

The world is swarming with wistle blowers on UFO's. A guy named Steven Greer has collected a lot of them in a press conference back in 2001.

And the sum total of secret new documents they have posted on the internet is how many, approximately? I looked through the links you gave and could find only stuff that had been declassified or released voluntarily, just like the current batch from The National Archives.
Ian

[Frank]

I looked through the links you gave and could find only stuff that had been declassified or released voluntarily, just like the current batch from The National Archives.

Ah, you are looking for people who stole information and published it on the internet without gevernment permission. I'm afraid that does not happen very often on any topic. One person in your country who came close was Gary McKinnon, and we know where that brought him ..

Did you look at the disclosure press conference? There have been more whistle blower conferences by the way, such as
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRlLABj-HhQ

But if you are really interested in an in-depth study of the UFO cover-up, you should read these books:
http://www.amazon.com/UFOs-National-Security-State-Unclassified/dp/0967799503
http://www.amazon.com/Cover-Up-Exposed-1973-1991-National-Security/dp/0967799511/ref=pd_sim_b_1

Some people are only interested in debunking the existence of UFO's, so they ignore these books and press conferences and ask where the whistle blowers are...

[Frank]

Is anyone able to decipher the text in the sketch that Admin posted at the start of this thread?
This is as very interesting new piece of evidence imo.
I've been trying with standard Microsoft Office picture editing tools but did not come very far ..

[stephan]

Where are the UFO Whistleblowers?
http://drdavidclarke.blogspot.com/

there are a few points which may make it much more difficult to blow the whistle in the case of UFOs. First off, Dr. Clarke mentions the Roswell incident as an example. Here's another blog
http://ufocon.blogspot.com/2010/02/of-r ... lying.html

which states that the incident was classified higher than the development of the atomic bomb. Thus, higher classification may result in more drastic measures to ensure it. Also, the leaked videos and documents concerning the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan could cost many years in prison for the person who gave the files to Wikileaks. Punishments will possibly lead to much less whistleblowing in the future. We shouldn't forget that some of the Rendlesham witnesses (especially L. Warren) were allegedly threatened with death (bullets are cheap). If that's really true - and so far I have no reason to believe otherwise - Larry could be considered as a hero (some may say he was a fool because he risked his life). Even Vince Thurkettle was called on by two mysterious guys in suits. Should make you think, Ian. It smells like intimidation, doesn't it ?

another point is that ET (should he exist) is obviously NOT interested in disclosure either. Keeping in mind that aliens which are able to visit us could be much more sophisticated both technologically and spiritually than us that would mean that whistleblowers have a very hard time. The few good footages which may be available are certainly VERY rare and may be limited to Roswell and Rendlesham (Roswell: possibility of alien artifacts; Rendlesham: film footage).

There is also no way how abductees could blow the whistle other than telling their stories. We are NOT meant to come up with direct evidence or hard proof. The only proof which supposedly exists is in the hands of just a few military or government people who will keep it safe like a murderer who tries to cover the tracks. And as we know ... some murderers are successful in doing that as their crimes have never been solved or they are still a mystery. JFK anyone ?

It is my assumption that things down on earth would have to change quite a bit before ET steps forward to reveal himself. One of those things would be that those in possession of proof do reveal it. In the case of Rendlesham that would be the two 36 mm film rolls which General Williams took away. Thus OFFICIAL disclosure may be necessary before other developments may follow.