May 2010 Transcript of Col Halt tape.

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Re: May 2010 Transcript of Col Halt tape.

Postby larry warren » Tue Jun 01, 2010 11:46 pm

Hey John, the points you make with reguards to me need to be addressed once and for all, but since my net server breaks down and never lets me do lengthy responses any longer before it
goes off line, Anyone now how to fix that? havent you been able to put these questions to peter robbins, he should know the answer to all of the questions you bring up?: im really currious what if anything he tells you when youve met? he of anyone should be more than familiar with the ins and out of my account! please let me know if im wrong, id be really greatfull
also if we are on the CBS thing later this month please bring up the questions you have for me
but after you and jim tell your account ect ! i will answer all you put to me then we can get it out of the way. is that show still a go?
thanks and i really would be greatful to hear how familiar peter is with my account, as i have
some issiues of my own with his memorie of our work togather,
cheers
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Re: May 2010 Transcript of Col Halt tape.

Postby FMG » Wed Jun 02, 2010 6:57 am

So Ridpath introduced Burroughs to this site that speaks volumes. Between them they are destroying this forum. Are we sure it really is Burroughs amd not a con? Burroughs seems a different character in interviews.
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Re: May 2010 Transcript of Col Halt tape.

Postby Storm » Wed Jun 02, 2010 8:44 am

At the risk of sounding superior I don't think this is helping anyone. To me (Mr Johnny Come Lately) I am fascinated by this case. There are so many aspects to it. And its a shame to see it unravelling. If John was introduced to the forum by Ian I dont get the problem. What is obviously a problem is when someone approaches you to get all the info they can out of you, and then cherry pick the dodgy bits and (in a very poor way I have to add), attempt to make you look like a banjo playing idiot that should not be allowed out without a carer let alone guard a nuclear weapons base. I mean that's just rude. And to champion that in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary means that the issue has psychiatric overtones to it.

HOWEVER - there are so many un answered questions. Its a shambles lol. BUT the people involved from the outset are here. Its not like we are trying to uncover the meaning of the hieroglyphs. We need to uncover the details so we know what we have. Like the starscope. LMFAO I tried all day yesterday to find a picture of it on various forums. And nope nothing. I cannot believe that. We all know what one is, but we cant find one lol. So how do we even know what it is. How can we say that the meter we have is the right one.

I mean the meter I will liken to a Ford ok. A ford Focus. Now it was a AN PDR 27 - that much we know. But it was written AN/PDR-27 like that. I have found the stores receipt voucher. I even know its stores number. NSN something or other. (Nato Stock Number). SO the An means Army Navy. The PDR bit is the Ford, and the 27 is the focus bit. Ok. However there are various different ford focus cars. and the same is true of the meter. I mean it goes up to T. So written AN/PDR-27/T and it has the previous letters (generations) before it. Now you might think this is no biggy. But the T version I read on one site was a chemical meter as well. This is possible but that means we have to ensure the exact model number. I think I have found it and I think it was an F. But I cannot say for certain.

The tape I think I will make my next task. I want to know when the tape breaks happen. So I can work back from 04:00 and see if I can see what times those breaks occur. If you can do that then you can time their speech, and say exactly or near enough when most of it was said. As long as Halt reported the times correctly.

There are things like the front of the tape they say better leave the car. I have a woodland like that near me. You wouldnt take a car so that makes sense. And yet, you do hear car breaks screech. I mean I dont think I put it on the transcript I may have. But the point is it makes the senario near enough to a logging trail to be picked up by the mike on the recorder. So does that fit with where they remember being. 3 hours 42 mins of roaming around remember so we need to work out exactly where they were not. Then we are left with where they were supposed to be etc...

The 110/120 degress from the site bit. Anyone mapped it on an OS map? From the site?

I have read threads around here and there that say about no background readings taken. I would say (insert raspberry here) to that. Trained to use the instrument you are taught to go through a routine. Tighten cables in case they came un done (thereby ruling out any possibility of a voltage drop induced reading). If you dont the meter can read wrong but also you can get a belt off it enough to make you dribble for 5 mins. The GM tube must be in tact, so you look and see if its broken. Then you check the probe end clear of dirt etc. Then do the battery checks. If thats all ok - good to go.

If ANYONE were going to be naff at reading the instrument it would be HALT i assure you, from long experience. As they move up through the ranks they lose interest. As new bits of kit come in they may learn how to use it but usually they are too busy. So if he was dodgy I would not be surprised. BUT - watching that programme where he and Penniston came back to the site. The bloke gets the meter out and he asks hey hey hey do you still use Roentgens. Obviously we have moved on, but the important bit happened next. The bloke started measuring the ground and the tree and Halt kind of takes over. But what I realised he was doing aside from taking over, was showing me that he realised it would be important to have a background reading. So even he was aware. And besides its also part of the checks. Switch on and make sure you get a reading. That's your background. You don't even think about it.

Well like I said I don't think it helps anyone to fall out. I feel really privileged to have come across this case, I feel really privileged to be enjoying it. And I feel really privileged to be helping in any small way I can.

DONT SPOIL MY FRIGGIN FUN! GOT IT lol lol lol lol
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Re: May 2010 Transcript of Col Halt tape.

Postby AdrianF » Wed Jun 02, 2010 2:32 pm

We need to uncover the details so we know what we have. Like the starscope. LMFAO I tried all day yesterday to find a picture of it on various forums. And nope nothing. I cannot believe that. We all know what one is, but we cant find one lol. So how do we even know what it is. How can we say that the meter we have is the right one.


AN/PVS-2 Starlight scope
I'm pretty sure that this would have been the model they used. It was from the vietnam period. The 1st gen, seem to have the starlight scope designation.
references:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_vision_device
http://reference.findtarget.com/search/image%20intensifier/
http://www.atncorp.com/faq

Entering self appointed mod mode for a minute. This thread is turning a little bit hostile. Go out for a walk and some fresh air before posting insults against others please
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Re: May 2010 Transcript of Col Halt tape.

Postby AdrianF » Wed Jun 02, 2010 2:36 pm

If anybody has an iPhone, you could always take it down to the forest and have a rerun 8) ..

http://www.snamiapp.com/01_slscope/01_slscope_pc.html
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Re: May 2010 Transcript of Col Halt tape.

Postby Storm » Wed Jun 02, 2010 3:38 pm

AdrianF wrote:If anybody has an iPhone, you could always take it down to the forest and have a rerun 8) ..

http://www.snamiapp.com/01_slscope/01_slscope_pc.html


Thank you for the scope reference Adrian and as for the iPhone thing lmao omg I have an iPhone. And I think I just came in my pants a little. Thank you lol
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Re: May 2010 Transcript of Col Halt tape.

Postby Daniel » Wed Jun 02, 2010 4:43 pm

Came across this ebay listing for a AN/TVS-2B with pictures. We can't be sure what was used, but night vision examples from this vietnam era device, gives us a small idea how things may have looked.

Note: This listing will not be around forever.

Here is a link to an AN/TVS-5.
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Re: May 2010 Transcript of Col Halt tape.

Postby John Burroughs » Wed Jun 02, 2010 6:33 pm

FMG
I would like to know how Ian and I are ruining this forum? As far as Andrew goes I and others have asked him over and over to post what he felt happened. He could have very easily scaned a couple of his articles that he has written on the incident and posted them on the forum. Even yesterday he stated he was asked to report anything he knew about nuclear weapons and I'm assuming it had somthing to do with Bentwaters case to the special branch and thats it! He likes to put somthing out there which could be important but then will not do any follow up. Storm this case is not unravelling in fact it is moving along at a very good pace. More witness than ever are coming forword and talking about the incident. As I write this I have been in touch with several of them trying to get what type of star scope it was! Us Airmen really do want to know what happened to us we just don't want to be teased by peopel who say they have somthing and then won't follow up! Also this site has been great it has come up with so many great Ideas and possibilities and things to look at! The thing I feel that is amussing is when someone who was there says they don't feel its possible or agree with what was said they are told there bad for the forum! Don't worry I'm not going to put my tail between my legs and run off or lurk in the wings watching the forum from a distance or making statements like my friend has been following this cause because he needs a good laugh! Fmg all you have done is attach Ian which by the way I'm willing to bet has spent more time on this case then you have and has met face to face and talked at length with Col Halt. I agree with storm on the fact he has taken bits and pieces and twisted them to fit his beleifs! But even with that and the fact he and I have gone back and forth in a not so friendly way he willing to talk to anyone about what he feels strongly about and he is still on the forum unlike many others.
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Re: May 2010 Transcript of Col Halt tape.

Postby John Burroughs » Wed Jun 02, 2010 8:19 pm

Ian
I would like you to answer this! One of the most important pieces of evidence is Col Halts tape! Its real time and it has so many interesting things happening on it! Please don't go into how its only a small portion of of the time spent out there! I would like you to talk about what was said! How the guys were reacting to what they saw and please don't go into how at the beggining how the light house could line up with what there saying is out there I'm well aware of that! I'm talking about the part where somthing is beaming down and Halts feet! When Nevils says look at the lift and lights are coming at them! How could that be the light house or planets or Sat burning up in the sky! Storm plese jump in with othere parts of the tape you feel are important!
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Re: May 2010 Transcript of Col Halt tape.

Postby FMG » Wed Jun 02, 2010 8:19 pm

Well John you missed the boat again. As he has retired he closed it down. I assume you never visited Andrew's website. It was all on there!
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Re: May 2010 Transcript of Col Halt tape.

Postby John Burroughs » Wed Jun 02, 2010 8:21 pm

FMG
I have not missed the boat I was never directed to it with a link. He could have scaned one of his articles for the forum!! You see I would really like to know about the work he has done!!
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Re: May 2010 Transcript of Col Halt tape.

Postby FMG » Wed Jun 02, 2010 8:27 pm

I should add it was all free!
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Re: May 2010 Transcript of Col Halt tape.

Postby John Burroughs » Wed Jun 02, 2010 8:30 pm

FMG Yawn anything else I missed??
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Re: May 2010 Transcript of Col Halt tape.

Postby John Burroughs » Wed Jun 02, 2010 8:36 pm

Thanks Silver I didnot know that looks like FMG bailed on that one! Storm I see your on please put your take on the tape. I know Ian is looking on and i would really like to see what he has to say! I have nothing going on this afternoon and would really like to dive into Halts tape!!
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Re: May 2010 Transcript of Col Halt tape.

Postby John Burroughs » Wed Jun 02, 2010 8:52 pm

I see that alot of people are looking at these last few post so please jump in with your comments on Halts tape! Its by far the most important piece of evidence and really needs to be talk about!!
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Re: May 2010 Transcript of Col Halt tape.

Postby John Burroughs » Wed Jun 02, 2010 8:52 pm

I see that alot of people are looking at these last few post so please jump in with your comments on Halts tape! Its by far the most important piece of evidence and really needs to be talk about!!
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Re: May 2010 Transcript of Col Halt tape.

Postby John Burroughs » Wed Jun 02, 2010 9:00 pm

Observer Ian Puddle Silver Wolf and others you have spent years on this forum talking about theories on what happened. Lets talk about the tape! If not tonight then some other time. Remember Larry and I were out there that night and we might be able to add some details about what is not on the tape. It is the only real time evidence we have!
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Re: May 2010 Transcript of Col Halt tape.

Postby Storm » Wed Jun 02, 2010 9:08 pm

Well John as I stated before I do not find Ians site credible. The tone of his whole site gathers some of the evidence but he lacks a lot of knowledge with regard to interpreting what is found. As evident by the assumptions with regard to radiation. So on that basis alone I know he is willing to make rather precarious leaps. If he is willing to do that where his knowledge is weak then his ego will run riot elseware. It's not a good place to start. Looking at his interpretation of whas going on the tape his tone is superior and mocking. Add to that the self imposed mantle of explainer and sceptic it's starting from a position of non belief. It actually begs the question what would it actually take to make Ian interested in even looking at the situation from any other viewpoint than that of sceptic. So the infomation Ian supplies has a bias. A negative rather than neutral bias which is totally necessary in order to mount a propar investigation. So for that reason and the whole self imposed mocking stance and tone I think for myself only I hold little value in Ians interpretations.

With regard to the unravelling coment I made it was meant lightheartedly but Andrew is obviously fed up Fmg is fed up and thts a shame. And that's what I meant. That this forum pro rendlesham posters are deciding to leave off.

Obviously there is frustration on your part John with regard to supplying input and being told no no no your mistaken dear boy by people who were not even there. I get that and to be honest I am amazed at your tollerance. If I had helped Ian like you lot have over the years and he done that website about me lol I would have it closed down lol. The shame is that a single man has quite literally convinced anyone who will listen that as he says on the title page "They say it was a UFO but I know it wasn't". Lol. And Vince Thurkettle Mr rabbit scratchings. Jenny Randles "The UFO that never was". I mean the list goes on. I think it's quite tragic they get any attention to be honest.

I think I will take the word of a much more credible person thanks. I think it was Norton who said it best. Either we are to believe that these men were all raving lunatics suffering hallucinations or they saw something quite extraordinary."

That makes more sense as I know for a fact - any service person worth their salt would have rather eaten Their own extrement than waste time running around a forest in the freezing cold, cocking about measuring rabbit scratchings and woodcuts and running to the light of a lighthouse I mean the implication that they would is so funny it is tragic. Just wouldn't happen.

So that's my stance. And it's not a rant btw I realise you lose tone of voice on a post and you can't see if I am typing angrily or what. But nope
perfectly calm and chilled and just laying on the sofa Reading the posts with interest but when you suggested I compare notes with Ian I think there would be little point. There really are better sources of info IMO.
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Re: May 2010 Transcript of Col Halt tape.

Postby John Burroughs » Wed Jun 02, 2010 9:26 pm

Storm
I did not just mean you compare notes with Ian! I do think its important to take what he has said and campare it to the facts. Your right about the fact allot of people have taken what he has said as facts! But no where has anybody really tried to challange what he has posted as far as i know like you have braking it down! I understand totally why there are people out there that don't beleive what happened to us! But we do have the tape and you did bring it back up. And the funny thing is so many people have E-Mailed saying how this has really opened up there eyes and made them look at Bentwaters in a different way. This forum has spent years talking about theories but has never really come up with a timeline which Frank was right about or reall broke down the tape or the statements. I'm working on getting you the info on the scope and Gigger counter! Larry and I were out there so I think we can help with the tape lets give it a try. After all you said you were having fun with this! Lets try and brake down the facts not come up with theories. I'm in is anybody else??
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Re: May 2010 Transcript of Col Halt tape.

Postby John Burroughs » Wed Jun 02, 2010 9:42 pm

Folks
I laid my cards on the table and hope we can try doing this! I was there and so was larry so i think we can help! I took note to what Andrew said about were going round and round so maybe this might help! I asked larry to jump in and also Ian. It was once posted he spent allot of time on this and for that I respect him. He also has been willing to go back and forth with me even when it has not been the most friendly at time! I agree with you storm that he has taken somethings that I and others have said and twisted them to fit his beleifs. even like saying after I did a interview when i said i had very little knowledge of the forrest which them led people to belive I had no Idea about the lighthouse being out there! Never the less he has been up front with me on his beleifs and I respect that and I feel he should be allowed to say what he beleives without being told he is ruining the forum or should not be on! Your right I have been attacked in many ways but I want to push on! Storm You have been a breath of fresh air and I hope you will help. To everybody else I enjoyed going back and forth with you and I hope you will jump back in! Frank you to I think a timeline is important so keep pushing! Andrew would love to know what you have come up with! Thanks John Burroughs the one and only!!
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