IanR wrote:I will pass on the following from Armold:
“I was also out there the night of the recording, I took photographs (they were crap, just an occasional spot of light in a black background*)... England, Steffens and others are not interested in talking about this as the fact is there is nothing to talk about.
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England, Steffens, and the hundred other people who were working that night will tell you the same thing. It's all bullshit. I'm not in contact with Bruce and he made it very clear to me that he has zero interest in this non-issue.”
Lt Buran, who was in charge at Central Security Control on the night of the first sighting, is of the same opinion as Armold, but he puts it more politely. I’ll let Buran tell you in his own words now that he is on this Forum.
Frank wrote:If you were a witness now and saw how the witnesses that did come out are called liars and goof-balls, and saw all the discussions and debunking efforts that haven been going on for almost 30 years now (even among the witnesses themselves), and realized they will probably go on for another 30 years, and saw how certain witnesses tell stories you can't remember, ... would you step in?
Skip Buran
I was the shift commander the first night. Then SSgt Penniston had every opportunity to report everything as it happened. There was no pressure to do otherwise. There was no panicked call for assistance, no incredulous description of a...n unknown object, nothing. They went, looked, and came back. No one was traumatized by the event. No one requested medical help. The Suffolk Constabulary constables who responded also found.....nothing. Folks, this is a non-event, at best a hoax, and is being blown way out of proportion by people who may have self serving motives. It's too bad dissenting opinions don't last long here.
puddlepirate wrote:Skip Buran
[...] It's too bad dissenting opinions don't last long here.
Admin wrote:...and all his posts have now gone.
Armold wrote:It's interesting that I was invited to join this group yet for some reason my posts seem to disappear.
stephan wrote:... he also said it:Armold wrote:It's interesting that I was invited to join this group yet for some reason my posts seem to disappear.
Re: Help us set the record straight
The record is straight. Nothing happened other than a few lights in the woods. There is nothing to correct. The ball is absolutely in the court of the liars. I looked at the website you pointed me towards. Most of the information contained in the "evidence" tab is not evidence. It's information that fails to confirm or deny anything. There is not one piece of evidence, not one, that confirms the presence of an alien ship. No radar signature, no heat, no blast zone, no footprints, no alien soda cans or cigarette butts. All you ahve are a few guys who are trying to get their 15 minutes of fame on the backs of a lie. C'mon you people, if you want your UFO hobby to be credible you MUST toss out the clearly bogus events and this is one of them. To say this is "England's Roswell" is to admit that very little of substance actually happened at Roswell because nothing happened in the woods at Rendelsham except for a few Air Force cops stomping around in the woods. By the way, NO ONE who was in teh forest on either night was armed. We NEVER took firearms off the base, not even when we went downtown to pickup American's who had been arrested by the British Police. These guys are frauds and for those of you who are serious about UFO investigations it's your responsibility to call BULLSHIT on frauds not empower them remaining silent and not challenging them. Can you (or anyone) tell me ONE PIECE of no-shit solid evidence that would lead a reasonable person to conclude that there was possibly a UFO in the Rendlesham Forest?
Kevin Conde wrote:Besides the well known names like Warren, Pennsiton and Halt there were others there. There was a whole squadron. I worked for Bruce Englund. Bobby Ball was the security flight chief opposite me. I was almost certainly the Woodbridge patrol or the LE flight chief the night of Halt’s expedition. All I remember was ...the laughing about the people seeing UFO’s. It was not treated seriously at all. You can throw all the rocks, make all the claims you want, belittle the non-believers until you are blue in the face. It does not change the fact that it was a non-event when it happened, and the stories of the believers are the ones that have morphed over time. I’ve been married to the same woman for going on 37 years. She also retired as a SMSgt, and was with me at Bentwaters/Woodbridge. She does not remember one word about UFO’s being mentioned while we were in England.
Stephan wrote:so we have at least five people - Conrad, Armold, Buran, Steffens, England - who were there on the nights in question and who either vehemently deny, contradict or simply ignore the claims made by the protagonists of this case.
Admin wrote:I can't find Armold's latest messages, I assume they have been deleted from the Facebook page. It appears that some of you are in contact with Armold. If so, he is welcome to join up here and say what he thinks without his messages being deleted.
After midnight, John Burroughs radioed the LE desk and reported he
had seen strange lights in the outside the East Gate on RAF
Woodbridge. I was actually on RAF Lakenheath hanging out at the Law
Enforcement Desk at the time. Burroughs, who liked to draw attention
to himself, often over-reacted to situations and was considered very
unreliable, wanted to know if there were any reports of downed
aircraft.
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In any case, after getting a negative reply from the British Cops,
My flight chief asked me if I wanted to head out to Woodbridge to
meet up with Burroughs and see what was up. I grabbed the back gate
keys, and took the back way to RAF W/B. I met Burroughs at the East
Gate of WB. We left our guns with the guy riding with Burroughs and
drove to the end of the long access road. We left our vehicle and
walked out there.
There was absolutely nothing in the woods. We could see lights in
the distance and it appeared unusual as it was a sweeping light, (we
did not know about the lighthouse on the coast at the time). We also
saw some strange colored lights in the distance but were unable to
determine what they were.
Eventually we found three depressions in the ground, about the
diameter of a coffee can in a triangular pattern. However, there was
no damage to trees or scorch marks, or any damage to any plant life
in the area. We noted the location of the impressions and departed
the area.
the triangular pattern may have simply been coincidence. If you look at the night sky for example you'll find a lot of stars that form a triangular pattern. In fact, whenever you have three points you'll always end up with a triangle if you connect them (exception: they lie in a row)![]()
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In the morning several of us were asked if we would return to the area to
point out the depressions to some folks who I believe were from
environmental health. They did have some type of instrument for
detecting radiation and I believe they did detect some measure of
radiation, however I don't think it was a significant amount.
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Halt essentially said he planned on coming out to the site in the
evening [does not indicate which one] and one way or another several of us said we'd keep him
company. The guys I remember were John Burroughs, Adrian Bustamante,
and me. I think another officer joined Halt, I believe it was Lt
Bruce England, but I'm not absolutely certain and maybe two other
guys (Possibly one named Pennington, just can't remember for sure)
There was however, no army of USAF guys out in the woods.. No fleet
of vehicles, no towed light rigs, just a half-dozen or so of us
stomping around goofing off.
I brought a camera with me and I think Halt had a tape recorder. We
were out there for hours and someone noticed some lights in the
distance. While they often seemed to be very close in reality as we
tried to approach them we discovered they were very far away. Now
don't confuse what Ijust wrote. Little balls of light were not flying
around us or getting closer and flying away. We initially thought
the lights were closer than they actually were.
In the end I would say we were in the woods for 4 or 5 hours. The
next morning we went home and "B" flight went on break (our three
days off). Three days later we returned to work and made fun of
Burroughs for screwing up our radio fun with his bogus UFO sighting.
considering the above it would not make much sense to spend another 4 hours in the woods doing practically the same thing as the night before. Furthermore Halt does not mention he was out there for two consecutive nights - at least not to my knowledge.
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There were no secret debriefings, no threats, no sudden assignments.
Nothing. It was no big deal.
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Let me say categorically that there were no space ships, no flying
saucers, no little green men, no encounters with aliens, nothing of
the sort.
Sadly many UFO enthusiasts seem to have focused more on what they
would sorely love to hear rather than what actually happened.
Unfortunitaly John Burroughs and Col Halt seemed to have recognized
that and took these "believers" for a ride. In any case, I
seriously doubt that what I tell you will have any effect on the
history of the incident.
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