Larry Warren's response to the forum (and John B)

[Admin]

Hello,

Recently I have had some correspondance with Larry Warren. He wished to make a statement, for me to post on the forum.
This addresses some of the claims, theories and questions posed on here.

It is posted in its entirety. Enjoy!

Admin.

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Thank you to this sites moderator for letting me post this statement and defend my side of things.
I expect to be on line soon and will be happy to respond to any and all comments.
These are some facts that some of you on this and other sites should know before you continue
to sound off and make fools of yourselves. Regarding the case it was not a light
house! Ian Ridpath is wrong and has been proven so. England is the only place the light house
gets any air time and funny as the theory is, it’s dead. The UFOs were just that, and not any of
the other theories entertained by psudoufoligists, It was UFOs the evidence for this fact would
stand up in any court of law.

Mr or Miss Redsox wrote that halt authored the first UFO related document since bluebook shut
down in 1967, wrong, bluebook closed in 1969,and numerous documents concerning the subject
of Ufo's where authored by the air force after that date. The Halt document stands out because
the usaf and the mod denied its existence in the first place.

On the site redsox claims I once saw a ufo "Over a town and no one else saw it". I think redsox
refers to an event in1989 over Glens falls New York. He should re read Left of East gate
because numerous people saw that object but reacted in a very strange way also two f16 jets
were sent from Otis A.B to intercept the object as verified by atc at Warren county airport.
Just stop miss representing me.

Some body on this site also states that the Travis Walton case is a proven hoax. It is not a
hoax!! I've known both Travis and Mike Rogers for over 20 yrs and the experience cost them
dearly and that sound very familiar, cause like me they put their asses on the line and I would
invite any of you to go to Snowflake AZ and challenge the boys face to face about what happened
to them! You will be corrected and most likely get your ass kicked.

The interest in Rendlesham has only grown since 1982 when I blew the whistle on it, I've also
taken the most crap on it as well but never to my face which is so disappointing and comes with
the territory but I have never in 26 yrs of being usually the only witness keeping this thing alive,
attacked another witness in public.

This brings me to John Burroughs, one of the first night’s witness and off duty and peripheral
witness to the third night’s events in Rendlesham forest. I knew who John was when I was at
Bentwaters although we worked in very different job rolls. He was law enforcement (cop on the
beat). I was a security specialist (asset protection) and not very often seen by the public. I was
also air base ground defence qualified when I got to Bentwaters. John was known as "ate up"
meaning he was Super Cop! Other than that reputation I didn't really know Burroughs.
I will address the following to John: - First Adrian Bustinza did not tell me his story, he didn't have
to as I was with him on the third night! (Its only taken people 28 yrs to accept the events where
three nights in duration). Nor did I run with his story and spice it up! I didn't have too. The fact is I
called my Mother within hours of my event with Greg Battram present and tried to tell her what I
saw. Are you calling my Mother a Liar! Think of the mind set the first person I chose to lie to was
my Own Mother, use your heads!!!!

Adrian and I talked about the UFO months later in March 81and shared recollections that are
recounted in MY BOOK. If you had read more than 10 pages of my book you would have read
the transcripts of a lengthy phone conversation between Bustinza and Cop Larry Faucett in
1983. A conversation in which Busty backs me up on most but not all of my recollections. Tim
Egercic spoke to Bustinza at some point and he confirmed my account as well, as has many
others!!! Including the life forms or what ever the hell we saw John that you didn't! Lucky you.
I'm sure Bustinza and others caught some shit because I was the one that brought their names
into this thing (including yours) and I’m sure that pissed some folks off Including Halt as well.


John thanks for saying that I kicked the door open because that is TRUE, but I have also kept
that door open for 26 yrs whilst you and others decided when it would be safe to step up to the
plate, I have not hurt the case!!! You say I have because what I say is RADICAL, tough. I saw
what I saw you saw what you saw, and by the way buddy what you described you saw would be
RADICAL to many people as well, remember the folks that live in glass houses?
Put Your Ass on the line for 26yrs put your finances and your families well being on the line for
the same length of time and only then have you earned the right to pick up a rock.

John you should really take a moment and review my book (it gets better after page 10) and bring
some facts to the table before you slag me off again.
I see that you are having a bit of hassle with some people on this site just a word of advice this is
a British web site and many Brits don't like us Yankees especially Military Yankees and some of
those people have far left agendas like 911 truth people. Be Careful!
I know what I’m talking about as I have live in the UK for the last 9yrs. To many people also you
and I are nothing more than entertainment, sad but true.

John I wish you and your family well and thank you for your service to our country.
Steve Bassett suggested that we Bentwaters guys all get together in Washington DC and I
believe he is working on it! You should touch base with him. Then we can bring our respected
evidence to the table and shut the chicken shit naysayers up for good.

Last fact for now I have never changed my story and have only written the one Book of which I
am very proud. The last thing, should anyone in UFO land want to put there money where their
mouth is, and think I have misrepresented my roll in any way! This would equate to fraud i.e. my
book etc. Sue me and get my little ass into court. This has never happened and never will! But
the case of Rendlesham should be in court on human rights issues alone and I pray that that day
will come because the vets of the 81 SPS would win.

Thanks for your time
Larry Warren
Liverpool
UK

[AdrianF]

Thanks for posting that Admin, interesting stuff!
I'm sure I won't be alone in looking forward to Larry's contributions to the site.

Adrian

[Observer]

It realy is great that another person from that mysterious event in 1980 has contacted us.
I hope Larry decides to take part on the forum, but we must all remember that if he does he is not on trial or in court.
I'm sure Larry will have some interesting things to say.

Obs

[Deep Purple]

I do hope Larry can help us with his views and testimony on this mysterious event.
I would echo Observer comments and state he should be treated with dignity and respect.
Members need to remember that different witnesses will see the same event quite differently------ especially such an unusal occurence as this.

PS Larry us Brits arent that bad really

[Andy]

You can't keep a good man down This forum get better by the day. In anticipation of your membership, a warm welcome, Mr Warren. I have always had an admiration for you, and despite the various knocks over the years, you have always remained steadfast. That tells me a lot about someone. And you are never afraid to stand firm and defend youself. I like that.

However, what you said about Brits and Americans, we could fall out over, big time
as i don't share the same perception, or many others that i know of.

[Andy]

In fact, despite being accused of changing recollections, considering you admitted you were un-familiar with the forest; as you had only in recent times been stationed at Bentwaters, the description and route you gave in your book, to me, was very accurate, and in line with Halt's site. That is why i would like to meet with Mr Burroughs, so that he can roughly show me where his and Mr Penniston's site was on the original encounter? (which i believe is the same), and the one that Halt was investigating at the time of his incident, and during which JB was present? If ever you visit the area again and i am present, one place i would like you to show me is YOUR recollection of where the staging post was (not Brenda Butler's- which to me didn't tally, and much further down route 12 (now eight).

'We continued slowly down the narrow dirt logging road' (route 12). (I have been given a description of what this logging road was like,... and the fact you went slowly, i would like to hear your own description of it.)

'After approximately one-half mile' (correct in my estimation and understanding) 'The trucks and cars entered a large clearing' This is where i assume the 'staging post' was, and of which i would like you to show me, as i'm 99.9% sure i know where you are talking of, and as said, different to Brenda Butler's.

'We were suddenly motioned to follow the captain down the footpath and into the woods....after roughly one hundred yards, we turned right and continued deeper into the forest. The pines were very dense at this point. Off to my left, i could see an area illuminated by large flashlights and a ground flare or two. I could see silhouettes of people moving around that area. I also noticed what looked like orange or red plastic surveyor's tape wrapped around some trees'...... from the description you gave, Mr Warren and knowing the forest, this is no doubt the area of 'Halt's' site, also the site he showed to Brenda Butler, which she clarified, and clearly marked on the present day 'UFO Trail.'

.....'I could see other small groups of SP's in the distance, their flashlights slashing in the dark' ... in the distance from that point would have been the farmer's field where you had your encounter. Interesting that previous to all this you mentioned 'Second Lieutenant Englund had left the parking area with a group of men almost as soon as we arrived. Lieutenant Colonel HALT may have been with him.'

[Admin]

And another....

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Thanks to the moderator for posting my rant on this very
important venue. It is to my knowledge, the only dedicated site
dealing with Rendlesham and I only expect that it will grow. Also
thanks to the folks that have responded to my post and let me say
sorry if I offended any one in the UK when I wrote about certain
peoples agendas this includes many in the USA as well but the 911
thing and its supporters have tried to hijack the UFO subject as of
late and they bring out the worst in me. My brother was nearly
killed at the WTC on 911 and for that sort to push that B.S. that
Bush was behind it pushes my limits.

So in the end I used that bunch as an example and warning for JB.
Again sorry if I offended anyone. By the way my son Dennis is English
born and proud. Sadly the aliens did not teach me about computers,
cell phones, and other star trek stuff so I’m still a month or two away
from being on line but again if you have any questions or beefs lay it
on me I won’t cry and if possible will never reply with any info that I
can’t back up. Thank you all for your kind thoughts and for the less
than kind thoughts that will soon follow its all good because it keeps
Rendlesham alive, and that folks is my only agenda.
All the best!

Larry warren
Former 81sps Bentwaters, Woodbridge
Now, short, fat and middle aged.
Liverpool, UK

[Observer]

Hi Admin

As they say in the US, a 'regular' guy.

Obs

[Admin]

Another message...

Note: It appears that Larry Warren has registered on the forum. However, Larry has not yet confirmed this with me. I will post an announcement when Larry confirms whether the account is his, or not.

Again thanks to the moderator for letting me post this way, as I’m sure this is not the way it’s done. I’ve read your responses and thank you all and I promise not to cause anymore international incidents, open mouth insert keyboard.

Just a quick thought, if one listens to the halt tape you can hear what I think is the siren on the Suffolk pd car arriving on site, our cop cars had the American siren and the UK had the classic UK siren in those days, we ran silent out to the forest from Bentwaters, and I, and others saw Suffolk pd on site. I’ve always wondered about this and could be wrong, but if the sound is from a UK cop car it would open a new line of inquiry for those that want to resolve this matter, check it out.

All the best,
Larry warren
Former 81sps Bentwaters Woodbridge

p.s. hello to Pat Pulatie, Pat is the guy that warned me that my service record would vaporize I took his advice, made copies and sure enough the records did vaporize,
See my book, and read all the fun that followed,
Pat’s name is on some documents in the back
Thanks pat.

[Observer]

Thanks Admin for that, i do hope we get to talk to the real Larry Warren.

I suggest a good next move based on Larrey Warren's remarks re Suffolk Police Siren, is a FOIA request to Suffolk Police HQ. Everything should be logged as we did in the Met. However, be prepared to get an answer back saying that records have either been shredded, archived or unavailable?

Obs

[Wolf]

Never heard a UK Police siren on the tape. What time is it at?

Its interesting bit at 10:02 where a voice says "he took this long to doc...." This is recorded dat a different time to the audio either side of it. Should it be someone saying "How come he took this long to document the incident?" if so that question sounds like it was recorded before the Halt tape was 'made'. Or am I misjudging the relative acoustics and the way the quote clips in and out?

Have you read these?

http://www.suffolk.police.uk/cgi-bin/Ms ... s+strange+

V/R

Wolf

[Observer]

Thanks Wolf

That seems to be the sum total of Police involvement.
Although, no hard and fast conclusions were drawn.
Interesting how the 'beams' of light were mentioned including Orfordness light house!

Obs

[AdrianF]

Its interesting bit at 10:02 where a voice says "he took this long to doc...." This is recorded dat a different time to the audio either side of it. Should it be someone saying "How come he took this long to document the incident?" if so that question sounds like it was recorded before the Halt tape was 'made'. Or am I misjudging the relative acoustics and the way the quote clips in and out

Wolf

I pictured somebody standing in Charles Halts office talking about the tape then accidentally hitting the record button, oops.
It sounds to me like the Halt tape was recorded over accidentally.


Adrian

[Observer]

Not sure what type of tape recorder Halt used, but does it not wipe clean previous recordings when taping over deliberately or accidentally?
I know my little Olympus pocket recorder wipes clean previous recordings if you tape over them.

Obs

[Observer]

Its a pity we couldn't get the tape or a copy of it to an audio forensic lab for analysis.
To my simple mind, for Halt and others to sit round and concoct false info on the tape is far too elaborate. Its the old cleche, Does the end justify the means.
Obs

[larry warren]

hi all,
my point on the siren noise is that
it is quite audible and i will find the
time that it happins and will post it
so that you can review it for yourselves.
again, it may be nothing, however
suffolk p.d. were out in the forrest
and were less than forthright with georgina
bruni.
also. the voice saying,he took this long to
document.was infact on the tape before halt
brought it to the location of ufo activity,
halt recorded over a used tape as he dident
have time to find a clean one. this holds true
when it comes to the music on the the tape
aswell, charles halt told peter robbins,bob ochler
and myself about the out of place sounds on
the tape when we met with him in 1993.
a final note for now, ive since read what pat p,
has writen about me on the site, and can state
for the record the man never posted me to c flt
nor did i ever work a gate on woodbridge the documents
pertaining to my dutys, posting,who posted me, and
when i joined d flt are all reproduced in my book
and all are authentic, ive also never made money
from this,or have i from the book, or have i from
speeking about rendlesham, or have i from radio tv or
any other media,i have spent a boat load of cash in persuit
of this unpopular truth, and i suggust far more than anyone
els involved as a wittiness or researcher in this case'.
silly me,anyway how was eddie cabanasak involved if
he had only been on base for less than two weeks, somthing
to think about.
hey andy i dont think brenda is right about many things
with this case and that includes the 3rd nights staging
post,it tends to be that if idescribe a location certain
researchers get hellbound to mess it up, i will send
a photo of the spot and hope it helps.
i was there they were not.
best
larry warren
81 sps 8081
81130
liverpool
uk

[Observer]

Larry
You have brought a breath of fresh air to this forum and have dispelled some myths especially the tape. I from the start decided to take every body's statement at face value as there is little point in putting angles on those statements untill facts are established.
Although you say you have not earnt any money from this, i suspect Halt and Penniston have?
Its nice to hear another witness who WAS THERE rather than second hand information from people who were not.

Welcome, Larry.

Obs

[Wolf]

There is a 2 tone noise at 6:25, but the tone is wrong for a UK Police car (my opinion). Odd noise at 9:40 (just before 'doc' phrase) too, possibly a whistle?.

V/R

Wolf

[Andy]

Mr Warren, a very sincere welcome to the forum, and thanks for your input and information, and long may it continue. We really are very privileged. I'm relatively new to all this ie i read the initial newspaper revelations, (and thankyou for doing it, despite the problems you have unfortunately had to endure since, but all these years on i never for one moment dreamt i would be in contact with you), and being so nearby (ie to Rendlesham) i have ever since been excited/intrigued by it, but i'm no expert compared to others on here, but have benefited from their knowlege and experience, and really enjoy the forum as a result, and will continue to do so.

I'm glad that you have clarified that there were actually three nights involved in the 1980's event. This has confused me for so long, and i've spent many a long hour self debating 'was it two nights?....was it three nights?'

My initial conclusion was that there were two nights; and Halt's experience (on tape) was one and the same as yours ie when the lights moved into the farmers field this was when you had your experience, but he was loathe to admit it? However you have clarifed this was not the case.

I'm sorry to have to say it, but as long as Halt has a hole in his A**e i can never bring myself to believe anything the man says. That's just my own personal opinion. However, i can appreciate his situation, and yours. He had a lot to lose. You lost far more, and have gained little. Yet all these years on and pension secure, some people seem increasingly vocal, whereas those who have remained steadfast, and with little to gain??.... i rest my case.

As said, a warm welcome to the forum. If it wasn't for you, in retrospect there wouldn't be a forum.

[Observer]

Well said Andy,
They are exactly my thoughts. I have said many times that Larry's statements and the content of his book are probably the most important and useful information we have had from any of the main witnesses.
I always maintained that all witness statements should be taken at face value. Then it's up to us to see how they stack up.

As you say, some witness statements don't stack up and are less convincing than others.
I hope Larry will stay with us on the forum and his contributions i'm sure will be highly significant.

What we are all forgetting is that the vast majority of us have never served in the armed forces [i have] and for those that have they/we are still bound by certain security restrictions even after de mob.
John Burroughs made this clear in the way he answered some of our questions.

Keep posting Larry and lets crack this darn mystery.

Obs