Was at east end of Woody the night of the 27th

[John Burroughs]

Guys I have a Question. The main area of activity was in the woods. Ben brought up somthing very important what could have knocked down a tree. Also they were out in the woods on M-W and I would have to assume they were looking for somthing. I'm not trying to take attention away from the storage area just the fact it truley does appear somthing knocked over a tree.

[Observer]

A heavy object coming down possibly by parachute could knock over one of those trees.
The Douglas and Corsican pine are not that thick and have shallow roots.

Obs

[Beentheredonethat]

Hello All,
I have to look at what is being said and reflect upon my USAF base operations experiance (Aerospace input) as cause for the possibilities. I'm going to focus on the possibilities to see if I can get somewhere! Go with me on this.
It was said there was a tree knocked down. What about all the other phisical damage. Lets digress;
1) A tree was knocked down, a tree was hit by something causing bark damage.
2) Depressions were detected on the ground, scorch marks were found on the ground.
3) The runway approach lights were damaged.
Response;
1) In my opinion HH-53 wash can fell a tree but who saw when the tree fell? The damage to the other tree how high up in the tree was it damaged? What do we use or have that could have done that, J.C.B., Tele pole repair truck etc.
2) Depressions have not met the size or conical shape to match the Apollo stand. Could they meet the specs as above? Flares have been seen being dropped out there for years (drift) . Did the 67th practice operations in the forrest?
3. Damaged approach lights, when were they last inspected? Could the damage have been caused by an aircraft on a very low approach before the RFI but gone unnoticed for several days due to the holidays? The aircrafts tire(s) traveling at 120-150 MPH can cause light structure damage upon striking the structure.
We need more input of facts like a statement from the people who fixed/maintained the lights, how often does this occur, did it look like typical A/C landing damage! Was there a tire mark on parts repaired? Was there some equipment in the forrest (the RFI site) before this incident, did anybody see it?
BTDT

[Beentheredonethat]

SlipX,
You keep asking me BTDT what were the rumors at that time. Why would you want to know about the rumors, cause aren't rumors just rumors? I'll try to answer this the best I can. There were guys around the dormitories and flightlines talking of something that happened, S.P's out in the forrest and UFO's were all I heard. But, after we heard the story of S.P.s getting picked up for talking and being packed up and moved out within hours to remote bases IE: Area 51, we all shut up and dropped it as we understood we didn't have the need to know. Thats all I can remember and most of all that was rumor. So what do you think it means and how does it complete the big picture? I don't Know but it was serious #$%# back then. This you must remember was during Cold War Operations and our mision. Most of us were in our lower 20s and had only been in the military less than 4-6 years. Also, Your, (our) actions are based on the fact you have a security clearance and your job relies on it. We were just trying to lay low and get by without attracting attention to onesself.
BTDT

[Beentheredonethat]

OBS,
My response to (N) storage and the similarity of visitors and the selectivity of breeching the storage security.
I kind of wonder if it has something to do with the movement/exposure of this vast energy to whatever that causes it to be detected thus causing inquisitive recon.
I have heard that sizewell has had it's own unique problems like the ones I suspect as above.
Also, the immediate sites that neighbor Woody, Bawdsy station ETC could have something to contribute to this.
I did some research of Soviet activity and found they were actively launching manned vehicles on military missions.
One was the launch of the ALMAZ-2 OPS-4 manufactured by CHELOMEI launched Dec 1980. This vehicle had tons of classified radar, line scan, etc and early vehicles were fitted with a cannon. Why?
BTDT

[Observer]

BTDT

There were suggestions that the object in the woods was a downed Russian spy sat complete with a crew of 2 which came down by parachute.

Obs

[AdrianF]

2) Depressions have not met the size or conical shape to match the Apollo stand. Could they meet the specs as above? Flares have been seen being dropped out there for years (drift) . Did the 67th practice operations in the forrest?

BTDT,
According to this piece by Chuck Daldorf at the twinbase website, the ARRS did carry out ops/drops in the forest during the year. I would like to verify that.
http://twinbases.org.uk/ufo/cd-idnh.htm

Adrian

[Observer]

If ops/exercises were conducted by the ARRS in that forest, you have to bare in mind that it was a public place and one would have thought that forestrycommission permission would be needed first.
Try asking the FC if they ever received requests.

Obs

[Beentheredonethat]

All,
Just thought of something after reading more on the forum. I did not see any activity on the left side of the road leading toward the East gate entrance to Woody on my approach to work that afternoon. I would arrive to work about 1445 Hrs. for a 1500 roll call. Don't remember seeing anything unusual at all that would have got my attention. Remember,, I drove that route almost every day and night for several years prior to this incident.
BTDT

[Beentheredonethat]

All,
Sorry if I caused some sort of "ah oh, whats this new info" confusion with my inputs . I'll back out and wish you seekers of the truth with a wish of nothing more than the best of luck. After my input of my evidence and facts, I don't think I am seen as creditable or trusted . I can see you have had trouble with evidence and truth recently reading your forum. Just thought I could help.
As we say in California "Whatever".
BTDT

[Observer]

BTDT

Hey, its not you its the forum generally that's in a mess. Your input has been great and you are credible.
So don't go stay with us, i look foward to more of your posts.

Obs

[redsocks]

BTDT, I for one have found your contributions very usefull,its given us a real insight to the feel of the base at that time and it would be great if you could stay.

Redsocks

[pupil88]

Capt. Verrano - Left At East Gate

Capt. Verrano posted Larry Warren that he was the officer at the motor pool when Bustinza picked up Warren at a isolated post. at Bentwater.

“I was at the motor pool because no O Level was available the night. I was on call, other command people were busy elsewhere, maybe on (the landing) site?”

There was no base alert on Dec 28/29 but there were “command people” addressing a delicate operation that was enfolding in Rendlesham Forest.

BTDT said he left the rear entrance about 1:30 to 2 AM. He saw a staff car go by. Was Col. Williams inside heading for a light in the forest?

[Beentheredonethat]

Pupil 88,
BTDT here,
To be exact the staff car was parked on the right side of the road after exiting East Gate and turning left. The car was half way between East Gate and the intersection at the end of the road. I never said I saw a staff car go by but I did see one parked with all the other vehicles on the right side of the road. I can't remember if the staff car had a white top or not. Our Wing King's, "Wing Commander's", car is typically the one with the white painted roof. That way we could see him comming and render a salute, military customs and courtesies. So is this Capt. Verrano possibly the one who gave me access thru the East gate? How many S. P. Captains were on duty that night? There did not seem to be an Alert that we the aircraft ground support staff were aware of other than the evacuation we endured.
BTDT

[AdrianF]

BTDT,

Might seem like a strange question, but do you remember seeing any delivery vans, like GMC "bread vans" parked along the road?

Thanks

Adrian

[puddlepirate]

Hi BTDT

Apologies if this is a repeat question but just to get it absolutely clear in my own mind....

After you and your colleagues were told to evacuate the base, you had permission to exit Woody by the back gate, aka east gate. You then turned left at the end of the east gate service road and headed past the end of the Woody runway. About halfway between the junction with the east gate service road and the 'T' road junction at the top of the road you were now driving along, you saw several vehicles lining the road to your right hand side, i.e. the opposite side of the road to the runway, Folly House, landing lights etc..

Was this activity in addition to activity elsewhere - i.e. had you turned right at the end of the east gate service road then left onto a logging road just a few yards further along, was there activity in that part of the forest also?

Thanks

[redsocks]

Hi BTDT,

Can I ask you when you returned to base was this the next day,did you enter at east gate and if so was there any activity where you saw activity before.
Appreciate your response.

Redsocks

[Beentheredonethat]

Hello redsocks, puddlepirate, adrianF,
Let me see if I can help!
Redsocks, I am not sue exactly when I returned on what date, I do know that at least 2 or 3 days had elapsed before we were given the O.K. to return. Upon my return I did enter through the forrest approach to the East Gate and did not see anything unusual or different. I was kinda on extra alert for something but did not stop or venture off of the road.
Puddle,
The activity I described was as I remember on the right, half way between the left turn out of East Gate and the next intersection at the end of the road. I could not see down any of the roads on the right due to illumination from light-alls blinding my vision, they were stategically placed for that reason.. I did not see any activity on the left side of the road at all. During my short drive from the 581st AMU, the closest aircraft maintenance squadron, nothing unusual.
Adrian,
The only vehicles I saw were the staff car, A cadillac Gauge hardened vehicle with a turret, A couple of SP trucks. There may have been, seems I remember a duce and a half or 2 1/2 ton canvass covered army looking truck with GI's (S.P's) getting out. I don't remember seeing any GMC bread vans, sorry. WOW, I'm really straining the noodle here WHEW, I need a beer!
Hope this helps,
BTDT

[Beentheredonethat]

Puddle,
Sorry, I left out an important part of yor question, no I did not see anything unusual to the right of East Gate exit as I sat ready to turn left after the guard shack, no lights or vehicles or people, not untill I turned Left and traveled half way down the road to the intersection.
BTDT

[redsocks]

Hi BTDT,

You mention that you had to be given the "ok" to return back to base,does that mean the base was stood down for a period after the incident?

Redsocks