Was at east end of Woody the night of the 27th

[Observer]

Hey BTDT

Sorry mate, i did see the F-111 Pics and thanks for putting them on the forum. We did look at this possibility some time ago and we found other web sites with pics of the escape capsule. There are some interesting articles on its systems and how the ARRS rescues the crews.
Can you explain the weird markings that Jim Penniston drew on his note book.

Graham Haynes has a lot of info on the F-111 escape pod and the Apollo capsule. Not sure if you know but he helps run the Bentwaters Cold War Museum at Bentwaters. Its in the old command centre and is very interesting. He also takes you over to the WSA and a tour of the airfield. Check out BWCWM.

Obs

[John Burroughs]

What ever we encountered was able to lift off and fly away on its own power at a high rate of speed!

[redsocks]

[quote="John Burroughs"]What ever we encountered was able to lift off and fly away on its own power at a high rate of speed![/quote]

Hi John,
Can you mention one of the "80 trained spotters" who saw this happen,Jim Penniston claimed this in a documentary,you must have seen those guys as well.

Redsocks

[John Burroughs]

Redsock
Your such a joy to deal with!! I beleive Jim stated this at the national press club last November. I'm not sure how he came up with that number and I have been unable to get a answer from him on that. I do know that over the 3 nights allot of people would have heard the incident over the radio. So keep on trucking with your cheep shots, I find them very Humourous to say the least and bye the bye have another pint while your working on your next big come back!!!

[redsocks]

[quote="John Burroughs"]Redsock
Your such a joy to deal with!! I beleive Jim stated this at the national press club last November. I'm not sure how he came up with that number and I have been unable to get a answer from him on that. I do know that over the 3 nights allot of people would have heard the incident over the radio. So keep on trucking with your cheep shots, I find them very Humourous to say the least and bye the bye have another pint while your working on your next big come back!!![/quote]


Hmm dont get why you want to take that tone with me just asking,just trying to get the facts here buddy,sorry if I hit a raw nerve but John you and Jim's stories really must tally to make any sense here.I'll have a coke as i'm teetotal.
cheers
Redsocks

[Observer]

Hey guys

Lets all stay friends.

Obs

[Beentheredonethat]

All Members,
Btdt Here,
Please don't get your tempers flaring. I 'm trying to help, but I'm grappling with all of the facts as I understand them. I'm still trying to get a firm grip on what the hell could have happened to our guys those couple of nights. I'm just a fighter aircraft technician who saw this unfolding on one of those nights. I have seen some stuff belonging to the Air force but my security clearance was only secret and I am struggling with the technology as the witnesses have described it. All of the stuff I have seen is understanable and can be logically comprehended. I am trying to eliminate the possible known technology of the time and if I can't then I'm really back to struggling with technology beyond this world. I've been exposed to 60s-90s Skunk Works technology, but that's my limit and anything beyond that causes me trouble grasping this super technology. With that said, God, I hope it's ours is all I can ask for.
Lets stay focused and relaxed there must be an explanation here somewhere.
Sincerely,
BTDT

[redsocks]

All Members,
Btdt Here,
Please don't get your tempers flaring. I 'm trying to help, but I'm grappling with all of the facts as I understand them. I'm still trying to get a firm grip on what the hell could have happened to our guys those couple of nights. I'm just a fighter aircraft technician who saw this unfolding on one of those nights. I have seen some stuff belonging to the Air force but my security clearance was only secret and I am struggling with the technology as the witnesses have described it. All of the stuff I have seen is understanable and can be logically comprehended. I am trying to eliminate the possible known technology of the time and if I can't then I'm really back to struggling with technology beyond this world. I've been exposed to 60s-90s Skunk Works technology, but that's my limit and anything beyond that causes me trouble grasping this super technology. With that said, God, I hope it's ours is all I can ask for.
Lets stay focused and relaxed there must be an explanation here somewhere.
Sincerely,
BTDT

Hi BTDT,

Were are all cool here no problem,Can I ask you view here as somebody who was on the base at the time of the event but who's obviously looking for answers to what happened like the rest of us.If you look at the thread "unknown witness" some of us have come forward to what is a plausible prank played by the 67th ARRS dec 80,as a military guy yourself can I have you view as to weither this would have been possible, we know you military guys play some pretty crazy pranks on each other.
Regards
Redsocks

[Observer]

Hi BTDT

Did you ever get to hear about the SR-71 replacement. Project Aurora/TR-3/Black Manta etc.

Obs

[Beentheredonethat]

Redsocks,
I've been following the discussion and I think the C-130 rescue ground retrieval system would be overstressed and ripped right out of the aircraft if it had to pull up more than a large man with a backpack. The stress and G forces applied, even though relieved by bunjie elastic cord, would be tremendous trying to pull up that capsule. How else could the craft (thing) become boyant under it's own power I can't explain this either. Did anyone hear propulsion? I don't Know what this event could have been. I do believe that if we wanted to have a perfect cover for covert operations then a (UFO) would be a perfect cover. Who's going to point to the USAF and say it's yours and we know it? Thats a perfect camoflage trick.
There have been projects that have been covered by the public and then they drop out of coverage or sight. Levitation was briefly covered by Popular Science and then there was no coverage of this new tech after that one article. Kinda makes one wonder why it dropped out of the limelight. High Tech vehicles that resemble UFO's have been seen in the past in hangars but the tech was 60's. After all this time all I can say is who the hell knows what we could have now. But for the USAF to have made contact in Rendelsham with this kind of technology we sure did a pretty bad job of 1,capturing it, 2,studying it, and 3,exposing our best people so as to communicate it so we may replicate it for our selves. I don't know what the hell to think Redsocks. A possible joke, then what about Col Hault. He would have slammed all guilty parties hard, there would have been courtmartials, documentation, grounding of pilots, aircrew, even closed door types, this would not have been tolerated, POINT BLANK!
sincerely,
BTDT

[Beentheredonethat]

Obs,
Yep. I have heard.
I have had the honor of being in close attendance for numerous SR-71 launches out of Mildenhall. All I can say is if thats 60's technology whoa! The airframe is impressive but that aint #$#% compared to the electronic majic #%#% those guys have to work with. While being stationed at RAF Alconbury in the late 80s the TR-1s were new technology and they were intense to say the least. Not the airframe but the elec majic was unmentionable. I have not been assigned on these systems but have worked very close and helped on occation, the Techs in our cojoined facilities.
If the YF-12A first, then the SR-71 was on the ramp in the 60's that was 48 years ago, in aerospace time thats huge huge amounts of development time. And now we have the super computer not just slide rules like Kelly Johnson had. We can only imagine.
Sincerely,
BTDT

[Observer]

Hi BTDT

I guess your right, Skyhook was just designed to hook a pilot off the ground and nothing heavier.

Thanks for the info on the aircraft.

You know, this mystery has two basic categories, One it was man made and two, it was not.

Currently we have more to go on with the man made scenario than not man made.

If it was a man made incident we are struggling with the evidence as it has so many contradictions.
If it was not of this earth we have nothing to go on except peoples testimony, there is no nuts and bolts evidence.

So we have a dilemma, and it really boils down to which area promises to be the most fruitful and revealing.

That is for the individual to decide.

Obs

[puddlepirate]

Let's not forget the bigger picture, i.e. everything that went on. What P, JB and C witnessed was only part of much wider activity taking place in the forest and elsewhere.

The fact that HMG detemined it to be of 'no defence significance', the British PM stated 'you can't tell the people' and senior USAF officers commented that 'it could change the USAF forever' etc, allied to the fact that despite the incident occurrng on UK soil it was managed entirely by the USAF, then the whole thing reeks of a major incident that had to be covered up. Something the USAF did, that HMG was fully aware of but which had to be kept hidden from the public and the media. This suggests that the incident was very serious indeed. Possibly with major implications for the local population and perhaps east Anglia as a whole.

[John Burroughs]

BTDT
Was the airfield operational on that Sat night. Was the 67th flying that night and if so what Helo or C-130. Did you know anybody from the 67th?

[Deep Purple]

The facts that BTDT was ordered to leave an aircraft in need of maintenance/ arming etc and the warnings given to him as he had to leave by a certain gate and drive past the "incident " say a lot. If this was just an ARRS appolo or F111a capsule training mission or other wise that had gone wrong then surerly this wouldnt have caused such a problem.
The reason for BTDT having to use this gate does seem a bit strange--- possibly running out of petrol ? What vehicle was he in what were the options in terms of mileage-- sorry I might be having a senior moment!
If all is true given the sudden evacuation of the aircraft hanger/ preparation area and rumoured preperation to evac the prison, you would think that whatever happened might have gone BANG or they were very unsure of what they were dealing with.
I think the whole this is littered with disinfomration and this suggests that something significant did happen . Some years ago the BBC strange but true suggested it was an Alien Probe that landed?

[redsocks]

Hi BTDT,

I have my own theory on the Halt "mission" ,he was told at an officers xmas party that the UFO had returned a party where abviously there would have been drink need I say more, we know he was here,do you not think maybe he went on a fun jaunt after the talk on base of a UFO and took some airmen with him because he could.Saving face originally because of he's position in the USAF Halt came up with tales of a UFO,something he has had to stand by to this day.
BTDT could you tell me what aircraft could lift the Apollo capsule,because wasnt the capsule used for search and rescue on base,it has been said that it was kept in a hangar and hauled out when needed,it was then placed at the front entrance of the 67th ARRS HQ when decommisioned as a monument.You know the actual apollo capsule from Woodbridge is at the USAF museum in the states,theres a pic of it somewhere.

Redsocks

[redsocks]

The facts that BTDT was ordered to leave an aircraft in need of maintenance/ arming etc and the warnings given to him as he had to leave by a certain gate and drive past the "incident " say a lot. If this was just an ARRS appolo or F111a capsule training mission or other wise that had gone wrong then surerly this wouldnt have caused such a problem.
The reason for BTDT having to use this gate does seem a bit strange--- possibly running out of petrol ? What vehicle was he in what were the options in terms of mileage-- sorry I might be having a senior moment!
If all is true given the sudden evacuation of the aircraft hanger/ preparation area and rumoured preperation to evac the prison, you would think that whatever happened might have gone BANG or they were very unsure of what they were dealing with.
I think the whole this is littered with disinfomration and this suggests that something significant did happen . Some years ago the BBC strange but true suggested it was an Alien Probe that landed?

I'm not suprised Deep Purple that BTDT was asked to leave he's job even if it was a prank,the powers that be thought it was something significant to do so cos the SP's involved radioed through(remember they still think its something very unusual) and all hell let loose,the guys were security in a postion of responsibility and what they said would be taken as fact.

Redsocks

[puddlepirate]

BFTD can obviously answer for himself but he said he was driving a GT6 - the GT6 was a Triumph Spitfire variant. This car had a normally aspirated 2.0L straight six petrol engine (twin Stromberg carburetters). Bit juicy - probably returning little more than 30mpg on a run so around twisty English country lanes the motor would not achieve much more than 25mpg. To drive from Woodbridge to Leiston very late at night in a car that was not particlarly fuel efficient and very low on petrol, would risk running out of fuel because it would be very unlikely that any garages - given there are very few in the area anyway - would be open.

That said and knowing the cousins seem to provide just about everthing to ensure the comfort of their service personnel, I would have thought there would have been a petrol station on base that was open 24/7/365. It might even have been possible to cut the petrol in the tank with an equal amount of avcat....er, just to get one home of course.

[Observer]

There was a domestic petrol [gas] station at BW.
I know because i filled up there with my ARRS buddy. It was a damn sight cheaper that UK petrol.

Obs

[redsocks]

Petrol stations on USAF bases are 24/7 nowdays but not sure about back then? Wasnt east gate used as an entrance/exit for personnel who lived out that way,I know that the east gate entrance now has a brick guard building and it looks like any main entrance to a USAF base but was that the case back then?

Redsocks