The landing site [later general discussion]

[puddlepirate]

Hi all....

Question. If beams were coming down onto the WSA from an unknown craft the surely the base - both bases - would have gone to full alert and whatever security protocols were in force would have been activated, yet there is no mention of this happening. Life seemed to go on as normal despite the fact that an attack was in progress.....why was that?

I cannot believe that two front line USAFE bases came under attack by at least one but possibly more, UFOs - and in this context I meant unidentified flying objects not craft from another world - yet it appears there was no major alert. That has to be impossible. I cannot for one minute believe that anything hovering over the WSA's and shining down beams of light would not have intiated an immediate defence alert. There would have been sirens, bells, whistles, personnel running to action stations, aircraft scrambled and airfield defence systems activated....... The [alleged] fact that this did not happen suggests there is something very wrong here - very wrong indeed.

[pupil88]

To Larry Warren

You said that the Halt episode and the Warren episode occurred, that is, came into existence, on the same night. In your book, Larry, you thought there was a third night.

The following were with Halt:
Lt. Englund (all night)
M/S Ball (all night)
Sgt Bustinza (on radio, in general area,met up with JB)

The following were with Warren:
Lt. Englund (in truck to landing site)
M/S Ball (at landing site)
Sgt Bustinza (At landing site)

The Halt 'incident' occurred Dec 27- Dec 28

None of the above could be at two different sites on the same night, especially Bustinza.

Larry,you said that as you were leaving the landing site, you saw JB in civilian clothes on another field. In the book you also said you saw balls of light flying through the forest. JB reported seeing those.

There is no way Bustinza could have been 'guarding' a landed craft and meeting up with JB.

In my mind, there appears to be a date discrepancy and some mistaken impressions. This needs clearing up.

[pupil88]

Ian R writes

Halt's description of the light as "red" is indeed a puzzle, as he is the only one to have described it as such. All other descriptions are of yellow or white lights.

NOT So!

Sgt Nevilles looking through the Spyscope saw a " Large Brick" . See
...http://rendlesham-incident.co.uk/the-li ... theory.php
A brick is RED. A brick is also a SOLID object.

Nevilles: Yeah, it,s yellow.
Nevilles confirmed Halt's observation. Then he noted a change.

Halt responds.
Halt: I saw a yellow tinge in it too. Weird

Observations are being spoken to the microrecorder and to the others.

In living speech, discourse has the character of a fleeting event.This event appears and disappears.The microrecorder fixes the discourse that enables it to be conserved.

[pupil88]

Hi Andrew Pike,

We crossed wires at another forum. My username was Bubblehead. I'm curious about your "triangular" craft sightings. J. Penniston said the craft he saw backed up at a speed of less than one foot per second. What was the approximate speed of the ones you saw and their height? Also, what was the shape of the boxes?

[pupil88]

Hi Silvertop,

Someone was taking radiation readings on the landing area. I don't have LW's book handy to check.

[John Burroughs]

We never did go into a higher alert status and that is what i mean by procedures were not being followed. Several things should have happened but they didnot get put into action. Nevills would have been running the gegier counter he was from DP and that is why Halt brought him out there.

[Observer]

John
Although a higher alert status was not initiated, who would be responsible for that order, would it be the senior Officer at the scene I.E. Halt? If correct, one wonders why he didn't?
We know he said he wanted to put this incident 'To Bed'.
Obs

[robert]

Hi all....

Question. If beams were coming down onto the WSA from an unknown craft the surely the base - both bases - would have gone to full alert

I think the Million Dollar question is the initial proof of a Physical Object shining down a light or lights on the Base. If they could initially see only lights they would have to establish the source of the Lights to react accordingly?

No radar confirmation? Therefore no confirmation of a Physical Object?

I think later the reaction to JB and JM etc and there report to the Guys at the base would have been greeted with incredulity and because it appeared 'off world' in it's behaviour it might not be taken as tangible evidence.

Robert

[John Burroughs]

Robert
I think they are asking about the 3rd night. We would not have gone on alert status on what happened to us it was off base and after we got close it left the area. I cant go into are procedures but Halt would not have made the call.

[robert]

Thaks for clearing that up JB.

Have a look at one I just posted on the Larry King and Nukes string. re plasma weapons etc. Any resemblance to any experience you saw or felt?

Robert

[John Burroughs]

Was there a viedo involved? It could tie in ships out at sea, planes which is what i saw at Kirkland they were using 747 and shoting down beams of light to ground stations

[Observer]

I saw the documentary on this system on Discovery Science, but was it around in 1980?
Obs

[robert]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uY1mn1IxFs8
PLASMA WEAPON VIDEO. RUSSIAN.
NOT BAD FOR A QUICK LOOK


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnrbQeOq ... re=related
Greenham Common Women Electromagnetic Attacks

Thought the above might be something but not too serious although the Guy doing the Narration is an absolute scream. He sounds eventually as though he is falling asleep!Or drunk or both!
If you suffer from Insomnia just play this. I'm not kidding!

By the way JB. Just seen your 747 and the LASER fitted to it on You tube . see if I can dig it up the linkfor you.

And here it is. Top mounted this one but you can see it wouldn't be hard to stick it under the belly as well.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6w-ql8ms ... re=related
Robert

[John Burroughs]

Robert
Jim and I both have had alot of those systems and problems. I beleive larry Warren also has stated he had those problems. Here goes a therory the site that was posted months ago between Bentwaters and the coast could have been where they did that from. Now and I know Jenney Randles talked about ships and then it was stated she changed her story well i talk to her face to face and i know what she said and maybe somebody could get her to come on this site and talk about that. Anyway less say that Sat or what ever it was that came down was brought down by a plamsa type weapon by us using ships ground stations and planes. It went into the woods and we came upon it and they had to drive us back or effect what we saw or less just say we were doing some kind of testing that weekend period allot of this is starting to fit in. I dont know how to look closer at the Marconi company but I am sure someone does. I also know one of the dead scientest was working in the field of unmanned aircraft and he was at the site by Bentwaters. The therory of operational tech and begging tech is different and as you can see the russian and us were working on it at the time.....

[larry warren]

to p88
i left before bustinza did.
further, we did not guard a landed craft, however people were close to the object, and some apeared
to follow some sort of proceedure.
it was indeed on the third night, that i saw stuff,
and ive stated same for 28 years.
no confussion here.

[robert]

LW Interested in that bit about 'following procedure'.
You believe,I think, that they were expecting something. By that I think you said the Officers particularly?

Gordon Williams possibly? Halt.No? Anyone else look as though they knew what they were expecting or doing Larry?

Cheers

Robert

[robert]

Just a quick thought before bedtime.

Re Black Ops and plasma weapons. we've got two or three nights. We got Ships?JR? (not checked) and possibly Fisherman warned off. We've got the need for two or three ground stations with possibly Radar Guidance, Phased array, and a means to shoot Plasma weapons up at a satellite or Missile. All experimental.
We've got possible procedure being followed by officers.
Plasma, IE lights going up.
Lasers beams shooting the plasma weapons. Possible malfunction of Plasma weapon and exploding short of range above the base. Hence Halt seeing split into three?
We've also got no high alert., which probably means organised intent.
Might need a bit more investigating but it's looking like Black Ops is ahead at the moment.

Robert

[Robert McLean]

Ian R writes

Halt's description of the light as "red" is indeed a puzzle, as he is the only one to have described it as such. All other descriptions are of yellow or white lights.

NOT So!

Sgt Nevilles looking through the Spyscope saw a " Large Brick" . See
...http://rendlesham-incident.co.uk/the-li ... theory.php
A brick is RED. A brick is also a SOLID object.

No, Ian's right. Halt is the only one who described it as red. Bricks may be red, but the "starlight scope" they were using was not colour, they were mono-colour. So the reference to "brick" is a reference to the shape only.

It is also worth remembering that the starlight scopes were designed to amplify background light at night (you could, I believe, see by starlight alone), and were never designed to image bright lights. Like any amplifier, they would have a useful range, and would just saturate when used to view a bright light. And Halt has described the light as being quite small and bright. So it is difficult to know what to make of his description of it having a "hollow center" or Nevel's description of the "brick". These could just have been only artificial effects from the starlight scope being saturated from the brightness of the light.

John, you must have had experience with starlight scopes - do you have any comments regarding this? Did you get to use the starlight scope that night? Do you know (or does anyone else know) if Halt's party had more than one starlight scope?

[Andrew Pike]

Hi Andrew Pike,

We crossed wires at another forum. My username was Bubblehead. I'm curious about your "triangular" craft sightings. J. Penniston said the craft he saw backed up at a speed of less than one foot per second. What was the approximate speed of the ones you saw and their height? Also, what was the shape of the boxes?

Yes I recall, UFO Magazine site (I can be found there more than here or the UFO Data site).

Is this question about the recent UFO programme I appeared on as the astronomy expert on Sky (we touched on Rendlesham) or something else I said elsewhere? I've seen several UFOs in my 40 years as an astronomer.

Anyway, to give a general answer, I've seen flying triangle speeds from hovering/stationary to disappearing in the blink of an eye. In between a foot per second is possible, even less, sometimes a bit more. As to height, some have been as high as a plane, hundreds to maybe thousands of feet, always difficult to tell without knowing its size, so I go by the standard 'size of as footbal pitch' as is often mentioned in sightings. The lowest was the one I spoke about on the Sky TV show, it just cleared a standard size telegraph pole by inches!

The boxes were cubes.

[John Burroughs]

I beleive we only had one starlight scope out there and yes brightlight would effect it. You have to be in a area with little or no light to use it. As far as what effect the light they were looking at a distance would have i don't know. I do know that we controlled the scopes and LT England was there and Prior to the AF I beleive he was in the Marines so he would have had alot of training in using it and would understand the efects the best. Also I didnot get to look threw it that night.....