30 year reunion

[John Burroughs]

To all
I'm currently working on having a 30 year reunion next summer! I have several witness who are interested in comming over! I'm looking to have the reunion at Bentwaters if possible and would like to use the trail and forrest but I need a large building in the area! Anybody involved is welcome including all researchers! I'm interested in who would like to be involved with this project! I'm also looking for sponsers to help put this together. What I'm trying to do is get everbody together and talk about what happened. I'm not looking for people who want to attack the people involved including the researchers both postive and negtive to the incident! With any luck we might be able to get to the bottom of a now 30 year mystery. The time has come to stop talking about the incident and do somthing about it. I welcome anybody help in this important matter!!! John Burroughs

[John Burroughs]

You can contact me at bentwaters@hotmail.co.uk with any questions....

[AdrianF]

Hi John,

Just finished listening to the Paracast that you and Peter Robbins did ( thanks ST for posting ) and you did talk quite extensively on there about the possibility of doing something like this. Great idea and I hope it gets plenty of support. Maybe the Forestry Commission would be willing to help out? Just a thought.

Anyway, where do we sign up?

[pupil88]

Hi John,

Great presence on the phone. I've been talking up the RFIs on Paracast and with two Robbins appearances in a month, there is a growing interest.By the way, I suggested your name as
a possible guest on the show.

Your suggestion of a 30 year reunion is beyond brilliant. Good luck.

[John Burroughs]

There is now a site backtobentwaters.blogspot.com. I would like to hear from everbody who has posted on this site. Would it be possible to use a bldg or 2 on the base???

[Sacha Christie]

I'd certainly like to come or help out in any way.

[Deep Purple]

I would be happy to attend a 30 yr renunion. I think it would be great to get all people talking from all sides of the rendlesham spectrum. Might I suggest a neutral chairperson to protect witnessess from bullying/ personal attacks? These do nothing to forward what happened either way

[John Burroughs]

Thanks Deep Purple! We allready have been working on that! Do you have any body in mind?

[Deep Purple]

I wondered whether if we approach someone like Ian Ridpath, although he is skeptical he seems a gentleman, and I think this is what we need. At a push I would do it and try and be absolutely fair. Can Sacha think of any one?
What we need is someone who can keep order ( gently), protect the witnesses from unecessary unpleasent questioning ( these are not police interviews), and allow all parties , where possible to have an even say

[pupil88]

Anyone qualifying for arbiter of this process needs to answer these three questions.Ian, while honorable, unfortunately should be disqualified as he is one who has long been associated with a commited theory on the matter. However, I've read one of his books and believe he is objective and fair minded.


change: how do not see it?
change: how do not think it?
change: how does it exist?

We are talking about change out of the ordinary, are we not?

[Sacha Christie]

The problem we have here is finding anyone with a degree of objectivity seeing as we all have our own theories. I think the idea that we might need a minder for a reunion is worrying. I think the main factor to consider is the nature of the reunion. If it's going to be a board room scenario then it poses the problem that one person or a few people might hijack the event and bicker amongst themselves while others fail to be heard. The best scenario I can imangine is a social gathering rather than a formal one.

Exchanging ideas, telling your own experiences as they happened to you is a great idea, why would it be so difficult for a group of intelligent adults to have this kind of get together without being able to police themselves? If we agreed someone was becoming adversarial then just highlighting the pointlessness of that attitude immediately (respectfully of course) ought to diffuse the situation. Bringing a debunker in to the arena will only flare tempers but then one could be accused of censorship for excluding the sceptics.

In My humble opinion Ian ridpath and Chris French might not be the best people to ask although it would be fair for Ian to be there. Whoever it is needs to be impartial. I'm just trying to think of anyone that i know in the field who would fit the bill.

I suppose I could do it. Women are notoriously good diplomats when it comes to groups of men arguing. I used to be security in a night club, I've had some experience of this lol

[Sacha Christie]

I've been in touch with several high profile investigators and have another list of people I will be contacting within the next week. I've informed Larry and Peter Robbins also.

I'll get back to you with positives.

[slipX]

Does anyone know where exactly is the first (Penniston/Burroughs) landing site?

Is there a GPS ref?

Thanks.

[puddlepirate]

The Penniston '03 site is interesting because even in 1980 you could probably see any odd lights in that area from the guard post at east gate - which was, I believe, a small one man sentry post somewhat similar to a carpark attendant's hut, not the larger gatehouse of later years. It is also pretty much in line with the landing lights at the eastern end of Woodbridge runway. The only snag is that is doesn't match with the directions to the location as given in their witness statements. That said, was it 'beentheredonethat' who said something about lightalls being ranged along the side of the road, facing towards the road to prevent anyone from looking in, being positioned somewhere near that area?

The later one is approximately where the UFO trail landing site is marked with three posts stuck in the ground. Isn't this one Halt's site? Where he took the radiation readings? If so, this would make it the night #2 site would it not? Or is there a third site?

I seem to recall a post submitted some while ago now where the contributor had made various calculations based on witness statements and other sources and had placed the actual landing site in Oak Wood to the south of the farmer's field.... the post must still be there somewhere but don't ask me where!

[John Burroughs]

Puddlepirate
On the sci-fi report Jim and Col Halt went out into the woods. When Jim went to the area that we were at Halt said that was not the area he was checking out the 3rd night. Halt was suppose to be at our site when he was taking the readings on the 3rd night. Thats why I asked how did he find the spot in the dark when he went out there. After that came out it was decided there must have been 2 different landing areas. The Forrest guy made a statement that it could not have been the lighthouse that we saw on the first night based on where Jim said we were. Halt has not answered back directly on how he found the area but I was told he was taken out there by someone who had been to the site before durning the daylight hours.

[puddlepirate]

Evenin' all...

Re landings sites. My previous post was more of a general comment really. Just an observation of the confusion that exists with this case. from an analysis of what we know to be correct, it seems that by pure coincidence there was more than one incident, spanning two or more nights. The apparent plethora of landing sites and conflicting dates suggests this could be so (don't tell me east Anglia was under attack and nobody noticed!! ).

Also, does anyone know the trade specialisations of the key players sent into the forest? Halt, Englund, Verrano, Steffans and others? We know SP/LE were there - or was it only one or the other, i.e. only SP and not LE? I think it would be very useful to know the various specialisations that were present in the forest from Halt's night onwards.

We know about night #1 (JB, C, P, Ch early hours of Fri 26th Dec) and we know about night #2 (Halt and co late evening 26th/early hours of 27th) but for how long after these dates did activity continue in the forest? In previous posts LW mentioned the C5(?) arriving on the following Sunday 28th and departing on Wed 31st and that it had its own security and off loaded vehicles that went into the forest - presumably this was at Woody and the vehicles left by the east gate, taking the shortest route to the forest. Also, another contributor, Andy, stated his father and colleagues at the hospital where he worked saw US military guarding a sectioned off area of the forest. LW also mentioned something about a road block that had been set up on the main road, approximately half a mile after turning right at the end of the east gate service road, that was manned by Suffolk constabulary (from memory the source was a couple of lines in LAEG plus additional information provided by LW on this forum). This would put it somewhere near where the forestry centre is now. Is there any additional info on these events. Can they be corroborated?

And while we are at it, there was mention of Williams being handed canisters of 35mm movie film that had been, allegedly, exposed in the forest and which he flew to Germany in an F16. Does anyone know anything more about that?

[Andy]

All sounds good to me. Just email me. Would be good to meet John Burrows and be able to chat on site. Makes things easier. I have a sneaking suspicion, and so does she, that my friend Sue recently, innocently and quite un-expectedly (outside a shop in Kesgrave of all places), met the mysterious 'Steve Roberts.'? She got chatting to a guy who used to live in the States and presently in England. She commented on his American accent and he said he was at Bentwaters in 1979. She commented on the Rendlesham incident. He apparently seemed a bit taken aback at the time, seeing that it was such a long time ago, (but she is quite up on the events) but admitted, he was there at the time, but didn't actually witness anything, however, apparently knew Brenda Butler? quite well? by all accounts? and they had done regular walks into the forest to look at the alleged site(s).?? This is just a brief resume of what was said, and he gave a name, but i won't repeat it, lest he is not him. However, as said, i am very suspicious. Might be totally wrong, but a bit co-incidental, and Kesgrave is not really that far away from Woodbridge. And he happened to be visiting the area? Intriguing. She said at the time 'My mate Andy would love to meet you.'

You bet

[puddlepirate]

Hi Andy

Ref the comment in my last post:

Also, another contributor, Andy, stated his father and colleagues at the hospital where he worked saw US military guarding a sectioned off area of the forest.

did I get that right or have I made a mistake?

[puddlepirate]

ST.. how do you manage to post images? I've tried and failed.....I can see the Img button at the top of the page but is looks like the image has to be posted on a website so it acquires a url then linked to.

[Andy]

Slip,

I don't think we'll ever know. The site has moved around over the years. Jim Penniston changed the location of his site in 2003 :



St.

I am so intrigued by this ariel photo for two reasons.

1. Pennistons is up near the road near Folley House on this pic? Am i right? She always said that, ie whenever he was filmed he always led the film crew in that area.
2. The other landing site would not seem to tally with the UFO trail one which apparently Brenda Butler assured me was the one that Halt showed her? However, she did say to me that the one Georgina Bruni claimed (however, i challenged this, as this would seriously not tally with the one she (GB) described on the map in her book 'You can't tell the people.'
However BB always claimed Bruni's site was in line with the light house and approx fifty yards into the tree line from that direction? Looking at that pic, it would seem to tally with BB's claims, but would seem to dismiss Halt's site (as said also pointed out on the UFO trail, but also Bruni's described in her book?

A group of us seriously need to go there and thrash this out