CIA using us

[ghaynes]

Observer,

We need the mission history of COSMOS 1236 tracking this down is vital to the Rendlesham incident.

Redsocks

Looks like it completed it's mission successfully:

1980 December 26 - Cosmos 1236 - Launch Site: Plesetsk. Launch Vehicle: Soyuz 11A511U. Mass: 6,600 kg (14,500 lb). Perigee: 168 km (104 mi). Apogee: 362 km (224 mi). Inclination: 67.10 deg. Period: 89.80 min. Duration: 26.00 days.
Area survey photo reconnaissance; returned film in two small SpK capsules during the mission and with the main capsule at completion of the mission.
Info was from here:
http://www.astronautix.com/craft/yantar2k.htm

Regards.

Graham

[IanR]

1980 December 26 - Cosmos 1236 - Launch Site: Plesetsk. Launch Vehicle: Soyuz 11A511U. Mass: 6,600 kg (14,500 lb). Perigee: 168 km (104 mi). Apogee: 362 km (224 mi). Inclination: 67.10 deg. Period: 89.80 min. Duration: 26.00 days.

Note that the launch time was 16:10 GMT on December 26, so it can have had nothing to do with the events on the morning of Dec 26.

Please, take my advice – this has nothing to do with Russian satellites!

Ian

[ghaynes]

1980 December 26 - Cosmos 1236 - Launch Site: Plesetsk. Launch Vehicle: Soyuz 11A511U. Mass: 6,600 kg (14,500 lb). Perigee: 168 km (104 mi). Apogee: 362 km (224 mi). Inclination: 67.10 deg. Period: 89.80 min. Duration: 26.00 days.

Note that the launch time was 16:10 GMT on December 26, so it can have had nothing to do with the events on the morning of Dec 26.

Please, take my advice – this has nothing to do with Russian satellites!

Ian

I know, that was the point of my post.
Think we can put that theory to bed as well.
Regards.

Graham

[Observer]

Hi redsocks

Yes i aggree, but have no idea how to trace that. There are groups that watch satellites or at least keep track of them.
We need to contact some one who is part of one of these groups and i say that advisedly as there are amateur groups and one run by the government. I should imagine that any history will be classified on the Russian web sites, but an amateur group may know.

I suspect that this re entry was supposed to go into the North Sea but missed by 6 miles. I wonder if this is why some US Navy ships were in the North Sea around that time, not to mention any Russian ones?

Observer

[Observer]

Too late again, ah well, next theory please.

Observer

[ghaynes]

Too late again, ah well, next theory please.

Observer

Had another ponder over lunchtime...
So where does Gordon Levett's sighting fit in with all this? I lived in Sudbourne for quite a while and knew Gordon. He wasn't the kind of person to make up UFO stories. Have always been intrigued about what he actually saw. At the time, Gordon lived at Sudbourne Lodge, about a mile or so outside the village itself (he later moved into the village). His house was almost directly due west of Orfordness...not that I'm inferring there is a link between the two.
Regards.

Graham

[redsocks]

Well that was a swift and promp reply,you guys are really on the button!
Agree Observer another theory bites the dust,unless of course we see what happened to every mission that was due to touch down around Dec 26th 1980.Just one thing Graham wasnt Bentwaters runway to be used as an emergancy landing place for the space shuttle if needs be,I remember reading about this somewhere and if this is so is this because that area is on some orbital flightpath??.

Redsocks

[ghaynes]

Well that was a swift and promp reply,you guys are really on the button!
Agree Observer another theory bites the dust,unless of course we see what happened to every mission that was due to touch down around Dec 26th 1980.Just one thing Graham wasnt Bentwaters runway to be used as an emergancy landing place for the space shuttle if needs be,I remember reading about this somewhere and if this is so is this because that area is on some orbital flightpath??.

Redsocks

Hi Redsocks,
Yes, Bentwaters was an emergency landing site for the Shuttle.
Now that would have been an impressive sight to see!
Regards.

Graham

[redsocks]

Well that was a swift and promp reply,you guys are really on the button!
Agree Observer another theory bites the dust,unless of course we see what happened to every mission that was due to touch down around Dec 26th 1980.Just one thing Graham wasnt Bentwaters runway to be used as an emergancy landing place for the space shuttle if needs be,I remember reading about this somewhere and if this is so is this because that area is on some orbital flightpath??.

Redsocks

Hi Redsocks,
Yes, Bentwaters was an emergency landing site for the Shuttle.
Now that would have been an impressive sight to see! :-)
Regards.



Graham

Hi Graham,

Agree that would have been an impressive site,but why was Bentwaters used?

Redsocks

[redsocks]

Just one thing about the satelite theory,surely not all the sat missions are taken into account,there must have been secret spy missions.

Redsocks

[Observer]

On a TV programm some time ago, people living in Gt Yarmouth said they could see the Shuttle as it passed over them in its orbit. So i guess Bentwaters being near its flight path would be a good choice. I'm not sure you can see that far up but they said they could.

Observer

[ghaynes]

Well that was a swift and promp reply,you guys are really on the button!
Agree Observer another theory bites the dust,unless of course we see what happened to every mission that was due to touch down around Dec 26th 1980.Just one thing Graham wasnt Bentwaters runway to be used as an emergancy landing place for the space shuttle if needs be,I remember reading about this somewhere and if this is so is this because that area is on some orbital flightpath??.

Redsocks

Hi Redsocks,
Yes, Bentwaters was an emergency landing site for the Shuttle.
Now that would have been an impressive sight to see!
Regards.



Graham

Hi Graham,

Agree that would have been an impressive site,but why was Bentwaters used?

Redsocks

To be quite honest, I've never fathomed that one out as Woodbridge had a bigger runway. Could be that Bentwaters had better maintenance facilities and was therefore better equiped to accept a Shuttle diversion (and the subsequent 747 required to airlift it out again).
Regards.

Graham

[ghaynes]

On a TV programm some time ago, people living in Gt Yarmouth said they could see the Shuttle as it passed over them in its orbit. So i guess Bentwaters being near its flight path would be a good choice. I'm not sure you can see that far up but they said they could.

Observer

Hi Observer,
You can see the shuttle as it passes over. It appears as a very bright, fast moving light. Have seen it several times over Rendlesham. I use this site to track it when it's in orbit:
http://www.n2yo.com

Regards.

Graham

[IanR]

You can see the shuttle as it passes over. It appears as a very bright, fast moving light. Have seen it several times over Rendlesham. I use this site to track it when it's in orbit:
http://www.n2yo.com

This is the one I (and most people I know) use
http://www.heavens-above.com/

Note that the International Space Station is just starting a series of prominent passes over the UK.

It's the greatest IFO ever!

Ian

[Observer]

Hi all

We are all aware of the alleged EVAC standby warning issued to a couple of local prisons/detention centres, one being Hollesley Bay, it was also rumoured that Sizewell nuclear power station and the local Council authority were also given the warning. If this is the case, then i suspect that the Police and the twin bases would have also received this warning as a standard procedure.

It would be very interesting to find out when these warnings were issued because if they were issued before the incident means they were expecting some thing to happen. The only senario that fits this is that they were warned that some thing was going to come down to earth and there could be some risk. Satellite perhaps?

Observer

[redsocks]

[quote="Observer"]Hi all

We are all aware of the alleged EVAC standby warning issued to a couple of local prisons/detention centres, one being Hollesley Bay, it was also rumoured that Sizewell nuclear power station and the local Council authority were also given the warning. If this is the case, then i suspect that the Police and the twin bases would have also received this warning as a standard procedure.

It would be very interesting to find out when these warnings were issued because if they were issued before the incident means they were expecting some thing to happen. The only senario that fits this is that they were warned that some thing was going to come down to earth and there could be some risk. Satellite perhaps?

Observer[/quote]

Hi Observer,

Agree there must have been a reason for these warnings,and I think like you I still cant leave the sat theory at the moment.It just makes so much sense and its entirly proberble.We must look into this theory much deeper because somebody out there knows the answer.Do you think Maggie might croke if shes asked again

[IanR]

So where does Gordon Levett's sighting fit in with all this? I lived in Sudbourne for quite a while and knew Gordon. He wasn't the kind of person to make up UFO stories. Have always been intrigued about what he actually saw.Graham

One question is: when did he start to speak up about this? I know there was at least one local resident who didn't say anything until after the story had become well known locally. Such "me too" witnesses are well known in UFOlogy.

Also, when was his sighting supposedly made? The ever-so-unreliable UFO Walk leaflet and plaque says it was on the evening of December 26. Georgina, though, says Levett was not able to verify the exact date "but was sure it was sometime around 28 or 29 December" between 19.00 and 20.00 hours.

Either way, if these dates are right it could have had nothing to do with the first night's sighting.

Ian
http://www.ianridpath.com/ufo/rendlesham.htm

[redsocks]

[quote="IanR"][quote="ghaynes"]So where does Gordon Levett's sighting fit in with all this? I lived in Sudbourne for quite a while and knew Gordon. He wasn't the kind of person to make up UFO stories. Have always been intrigued about what he actually saw.Graham[/quote]
One question is: when did he start to speak up about this? I know there was at least one local resident who didn't say anything until after the story had become well known locally. Such "me too" witnesses are well known in UFOlogy.

Also, when was his sighting supposedly made? The ever-so-unreliable UFO Walk leaflet and plaque says it was on the evening of December 26. Georgina, though, says Levett was not able to verify the exact date "but was sure it was sometime around 28 or 29 December" between 19.00 and 20.00 hours.

Either way, if these dates are right it could have had nothing to do with the first night's sighting.

Ian
http://www.ianridpath.com/ufo/rendlesham.htm[/quote]

I think its only fair that Graham makes he's own mind up about possible witnesses and lets face it he's known this particular one longer than you.You need to listen to people who were there like JB, the guy knows what the lighthouse light looks like and said it wasnt that.With JB's help we have eliminated various theorys capsule,air crash etc,Your lighthouse theory has long been dismissed here and aint going to get us anywhere,I originally thought the lighthouse theory was a possibility but like I say its old hat now, talking to guys that were there and putting the puzzle together is the only way to sort this out.

Redsocks .

[redsocks]

[quote="Silvertop"]IanR.

I have been reading your website and although you raise some interesting points regarding the incident, the purpose of your theory seems designed so soley disprove any kind of UFO or alien connection.

Given that most of us here agree that the UFO theory is about as valid an explaination as an 'act-of-god', can you not put your light-house theory to bed and come up with some other ideas.

I don't believe in aliens or light-houses.

S.[/quote]
Well said Sivertop,

Lighthouse theory now totally dead and buried,
Ha Ha "I dont believe in aliens or lighthouses" if there was ever a film about Rendlesham that would have to be the title..........

Redsocks

[John Burroughs]

Witness and what they saw is the most important thing. It does not just have to be on the days of the 26,27 and 28. A new member named lori stated she saw somthing she should tell her story. I know for a fact that there were rumors at Bentwaters that this was seen on several other nights. If there is a true investagation being done you have to listen to all of the witness. One of the hardest things I have had to deal with is the fact it happened over several nights why. At first it was hard to beleive it could have been man made. But over the years I have seen things that make me beleive it could very well have been. The fact that it happened over so many nights the interferance with the Radios , portable lights not working staic electricty in the air, people feeling like everthing was going in slow motion, people having health problems and the way it was handle and still being handle by the military points to some kind of test going on. All of that evidence could not have disapeared. The ness he witness and the people who worked at the ness are the key.