CIA using us

[John Burroughs]

Also does anybody know the name of the weapons program that the US is
using that is suposse to make the troops want to give up. And does it use any kind of radar?

[John Burroughs]

Ian
There was some kind of Radar contact the first night, See if you can run down Skip Buran and he can say from where. That is part of the reason they let us go out there. Penniston stated that as we were driving out towards the Forrest and they also said it over the Radio as we started to walh into the forrest>

[ghaynes]

If the radar beams were being aimed lets say at a certain area could it cause some kind of weird affect. And what other programs were they working on at Bawdsey?

Radar research programmes ended at Bawdsey just after WWII:
http://www.bawdseyradargroup.co.uk/history1.htm
An 'aimed' high-powered radar beam could cause damage to electronic equipment in it's path but I'm not sure it would cause any visible phenomena. Would have to check through my old training notes!
I don't believe that anything untoward was going on at Bawdsey that could contribute to the Rendlesham incident.
Regards.

Graham

[John Burroughs]

Like Radio's not working or light alls not working or static electrity in the air?

[ghaynes]

Like Radio's not working or light alls not working or static electrity in the air?

Yes, it's a distinct possibility. I think I know where you are heading with this theory.
We need to find out a bit more about the two Type 87 radar heads at Bawdsey. Could have been a fault with one of them? May explain why the Hollesley Bay prison was put on alert? Unfortunately I didn't work on 3D radars until 1988 so I'm not familiar with the Type 87.
Regards.

Graham

[IanR]

There was some kind of Radar contact the first night, See if you can run down Skip Buran and he can say from where.

What Skip told me last month was: "I do recall our having contacted London Air Traffic Control the first night, and was told there was some unidentified aerial activity occurring, but thinking back on it, London did not seem overly concerned. And remember, I did not speak directly to anyone form London ATC but was relaying all communication through our on-duty security controller, though I was in the same room with him. I believe it was Coffey who was on duty."
Now, what I think London ATC were referring to was the Cosmos rocket re-entry the previous night which was widely seen over southern England
http://www.ianridpath.com/ufo/rendlesham6.htm
Larry Warren refers to it in a letter home to his mother which is published in Left at East Gate.
Do you remember hearing about those sightings on the radio news on the night of your sighting? It may also explain the stories that the original Rendlesham sighting was around midnight, when in fact what they may be recalling is hearing about this re-entry on the midnight news.
Ian

[John Burroughs]

OK. One of the reason we first went out was there might have been a crash. Penniston told us that but when we got are radio transmission they stated they had lost contact over the bentwaters area. Thats why they let us go into the woods. The strange lights and then radar contact and then losing contact on radar. We would never had gone out there had that not been the case. I never heard about that at all on the radio. Only a few years later did I hear about the Cosmos re-entry and there was a nother theory that we brought the russian sat down! And the radar people never said anything crashed just that they lost contact. CSC was the ones who stated that something might have crashed.

[Observer]

Graham

It was suggested to me that there had been experiments [don't know where] with EMP and its effects on electronics. EMP was a big side effect of a nuclear burst that could blow ot solid state systems which is apparently why Russian cold war aircraft were fitted with valve radio transmitters/receivers.
EMP - Electro Magnetic Pulse

Could this be a factor in why the guys felt wierd and electrostatic atmosphere and radios played up.

Observer

[John Burroughs]

Could the fault been somthing went wrong with a weapons test. One of the therory was that the US brought down comos or was trying to bring it down and then were looking for it. Could they have been trying to conduct somthing and had it go wrong. Then put these places on alert. What time did they place these area on alert? Plus would any of these beams push the radition up in the area it was covering?

[Observer]

Anythings possible, but it would pay to talk to the satelite watchers who monitor all satelites and see if they have records of Cosmos re entering the earths atmosphere over East Anglia. There is a department at DERA who keep tabs on all space vehicles in orbit. I have no idea how you get in touch with them. There must be other departments in the States doing the same thing. Ask google, What happened to Cosmos?

Observer

[John Burroughs]

Will look into that comos on goggle. Just had a chance to read some more about Cobra Mist sure looks like the beggining of star wars tracking missle and such. Does anyone know anybody who might have worked out at the ness. Or is it possible to find somebody. Jennie Randles looked at this a long time ago when very little of this was even know about and she did also say there were British ship out off the coast when this happened could they have been involved. also the Foa on it is over 14 years old might br more available now and has anybody ever asked the british govenment about it

[Wolf]

RE General Gabriel -

At the time of the Bentwaters/Rendlesham incident General Gabriel served as commander in chief, United States Air Forces in Europe and commander of Allied Air Forces Central Europe at Ramstein Air Base, Germany, from August 1980 to June 1982. While assigned as CINCUSAFE, Gen Gabriel traveled to RAF Bentwaters and was briefed on the Rendlesham Forest Incident where U.S. Air Force personnel stated they had observed UFOs.

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RE - 'Have Blue' and 'Senior Trend' for a good overviewof the stealth project check http://www.vectorsite.net/avf117_1.html

Have Blue - Last Flight - 1002 was lost on its 52nd flight, on 11 July 1979
Senior Trend - First flight - Number 780 took to the air on 18 June 1981

V/R

Wolf

[John Burroughs]

Do you know what the days were that he travelved to Bentwaters and who he met with. Also is there a document showing this?

[Wolf]

I have tried getting various pieces of information from various HO's, LK, RS and Maxwell AFB, but there seems to be almost a non existance of a paper trail available for the whole event.

Even non event related stuff I have asked for has been refused. Some of which I cannot understand why as it is information regarding 2 dead bases, a dead mission and a dead wing (nb. now a training wing at Keesler AFB). Bearing in mind the amount of stuff that was crated up during the twinbases closure very little of it appears to be traceable.

V/R

Wolf

[John Burroughs]

I went down to Maxwell on a TDY and asked to look at the Wing History for the 81st. They brought me out the folder for 1980 and the month of December was missing. When I asked why a man in charge got very defenceive and upset and stated why do they keep doing this it always leeds to more questions and trouble than leaving the stuff in. He then said he was sorry and there was no more he could do for me,

[ghaynes]

Graham

It was suggested to me that there had been experiments [don't know where] with EMP and its effects on electronics. EMP was a big side effect of a nuclear burst that could blow ot solid state systems which is apparently why Russian cold war aircraft were fitted with valve radio transmitters/receivers.
EMP - Electro Magnetic Pulse

Could this be a factor in why the guys felt wierd and electrostatic atmosphere and radios played up.

Observer

Could certainly be a factor. Having done a bit of reasearch I think we can definitely rule out the Type 87 radars at Bawdsey. This particular radar was used for missile guidance and worked on the line-of-sight principle. The topography of the landscape between Bawdsey and Capel Green would prevent a low-level, high-energy beam of radiation travelling from the former to the latter. The radiation source would need to be a lot closer.
Regards.

Graham

[ghaynes]

Will look into that comos on goggle. Just had a chance to read some more about Cobra Mist sure looks like the beggining of star wars tracking missle and such. Does anyone know anybody who might have worked out at the ness. Or is it possible to find somebody. Jennie Randles looked at this a long time ago when very little of this was even know about and she did also say there were British ship out off the coast when this happened could they have been involved. also the Foa on it is over 14 years old might br more available now and has anybody ever asked the british govenment about it

Hi John,
Cobra Mist was operated by the 81st Radio Research Squadron. If you could find someone who was assigned to that unit it would be a starting point. Doubt whether they would let out too many secrets though.
Regards.

Graham

[redsocks]

Interesting Observer reguarding satelites,check this website out http://www.astronautix.com on the home page near the bottom listing click on "any day in space history" on the calender click on 26th december.Under 1980 You will see COSMOS 1236 was launched by the Russians.Did this satelite actually make it into orbit? John is it possible what you were seeing was actually a satelite? What a coup for the US if they thought they had got there hands on a Rusky sat.You will see the that USAF have it listed as sat cat 12121.Now if only we could seen the records for COSMOS 1236's mission..............
Redsocks

[Observer]

Hi redsocks

It could have been the Yantar re entry module/capsule that fell in the Forest. It is more likely that it was a malfunction in the satelite that brought it down in the wrong place. They did have a lot of problems with this biit if kit. It was mentioned that evidence was gathered up and flown out, this could have been the film cannisters. There were also pyrotechnic systems on this vehicle that could account for the lights in the sky.

Observer

[redsocks]

Observer,

We need the mission history of COSMOS 1236 tracking this down is vital to the Rendlesham incident.

Redsocks