The Object ..

[John Burroughs]

Wow Pumpkin head stick with your day job will you! Here is a clip of the lighthouse seen from the edge of the forrest. Pumpkin head its so vey clear you have the little man syndrome you Pm me about. Sorry you were picked on as a child and you now need to hide behind your computer to make up with what happened to you Other than IAN everybody else who has been in the Forrest knows the Lighthouse was not involved. And Ian could not even show up in Dec when he could show the world he was right. Why don't you visit the Forrest gather your evidence and get back to us. I won't hold my breath because your to scared to come out from behind your safty blanket. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8Y2SR-CKO4


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBtaYBYnL5Y Video of lighthouse about a min in..

And last time I checked alot of people showed up in Dec and not one said it was the Lighthouse. Alot of them were unhappy about the codes but not one said the Lighthouse was part of what happened to us. Shame I guess you will have to come at this from a different angle.

[Ignis Fatuus]

Sorry you were picked on as a child

Not even close

its so vey clear you have the little man syndrome

the easy way out

and you now need to hide behind your computer to make up with what happened to you as a child.

Eww, Creepy.

Other than Ian everybody else who has been in the Forrest knows the Lighthouse was not involved.

You forgot about Vince Thurkettle...remember him, he spent a fair bit of time in the forest eh, what with it being his place of work and all. You also forgot the Suffolk Constabulary. Shit even Chris Armold who was there soon after...with you beside him.. plumped for the Lighthouse.

And Ian could not even show up in Dec when he could show the world he was right.

Bet that really pissed you off. Did you tell Ancient Ass-tronauts producer that you could get him there?

Why don't you visit the Forrest gather your evidence and get back to us.

Why don't you follow your own advice. Test your belief that there is an energy field out there...with actual scientific tools. The Human EM Detector routine - whilst entertaining - is nutty.

I won't hold my breath because your to scared to come out from behind your safty blanket

Yeah yeah more of the same...hiding behind my computer...blah blah..oh the fear.
Want to be part of an illusion?

[John Burroughs]

Wow struck a nerve Pumpkin head. Why don't you and IAN team up lets say sometime in late Sept after the 11th there having there next conferance then. Before it gets cold I just don't like the cold weather and show Jim and I how we were fooled. We can get a Camera crew to film it so you and IAN can't try and make up what went on. I would have no problem with anybody who wants to also showing up so you can show the world how big a fools we all were. Why your at it invite Armold and Buren. Even early Oct would work I just have had enough of the cold. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShE27Hst_NM..
Oh and by the way I saved that PM you sent me about being picked on it was a moving story I even shed a tear over it.. Vinnce has changed his mind you will see that in the upcoming show being done on the incident. Like you said Armold was there after the fact. Oh and its interesting he took picture and had them sent into to get developed why would one do that if nothing was there. H mm just a thought...

[Ignis Fatuus]

Wow struck a nerve Pumpkin head.

Negative, I feel fine. How about you?

Oh and by the way I saved that PM you sent me about being picked on it was a moving story I even shed a tear over it..

You should post it.

[John Burroughs]

Get back to us if you want to meet up in the Forrest. I have a whole week off in Oct and would be happy to fly over so you can show Jim and I face to face how we were fooled. The lighthouse is about to be shut down so this is your last chance to show the world...

[Observer]

Gentlemen please, it not going to get you any where by trading insults. Talk about the incident, discuss the various aspects of it and do joint reasearch on new leads. Work together because thats how this forum once ran and it worked well.
John, your US higher authorities have more on this than we do and its them you should be asking.

Obs

[Ignis Fatuus]

No worries John, I'll get the Lamp retro fitted to 1980 specs and have the forest restored to how it was. Identical Weather and a fireball shouldn't be too much of a hassle to arrange. In return, Jim can organise the transportation with the Tomorrow People, so everybody can get there and back in time. John, I guess that leaves you in charge of tuning the EM Field to the correct frequency.

It would be much appreciated if Jim could bring the Magic Notebook with him. You know how everyone gets a kick out of reading what the Magic Notebook has written since we last saw it. I think that's about it. Nope...one more thing, afterwards if you're up to it, we can have a huge party at Folly House.

[John Burroughs]

Observer thats being worked on! Pumpkin head you make it sound so simple the forrest is like it was in 1980 Lighthouse is still there the one which fooled us for 3 days. You and Ian want people to beleive we were drawen out into the woods and for 3 nights we were all fooled by the lighthouse or pranks Never mind about the Halt tape I know it was made up and the other witness who have come forword that were there and saw things moving around. Go out and show everybody how what was on Halts tape and the description of other witness was the lighthouse you can't and you know it but you want to keep saying thats what it was! You continue to put words in people mouth on where they were and what they were doing. I showed up in Dec and not one of you was man enough to show up and deal with me face to face. You also would not show up in the forrest and show over 100 people that it was the lighthouse. And then there is the witness you keep talking about Obs who won't give up there names because there in danger of taking question behind a computer. And of course Lt Col Buren who wanted to cheep shot us and hide behind his rank and not answer any question. And then there is those missing documents I beleive that is no big deal there was nothing in them that was important Dave Clarke said so. The fact that there was that many might say there was a investigation that when on and somthing big happened. At the end of the day all you guys want to do is go round and round and take cheap shots at us make thing up take a few words out of our statements or what we say about the incident and twist it around. The forrest is still there and so is the lighthouse go out and prove it. And you also want to say were making money off of it why don't you ask Ian how much were making because he has been on alot of these pieces that we done and I'm sure he is basking in the money. You say you want to find out what happened out there! I don't think so all you want to do is take cheap shots make fun of people. And of cource Obs the forum was a well oiled machine the post from back then don't show that and how many times have you and others quit and came back because somebody hurt your feelings. Nobody wants answers more than I do and when you want to truley discuss things let me know. And the offer still stands I will show up in the forrest and have you show me and anybody else who wants to be there how we were fooled by the lighthouse with a camera crew because I won't get punked like Halt did by Ridpath.

[Observer]

John

People quit and come and go on the forum for various reasons, mainly because it is not getting any where and going round in circles. I'm on your side and I also happen to think that your government pulled one on you and that is where the answer lies. Mtsgt Roy Burden, Engine shop Woody was a friend of mine and he and his wife and my wife socialised on the base and at the Rod N Gun club at BW. I asked Roy what happened in those woods and he said with a big grin on his face that if he told me I wouldn't believe him anyway and he valued his stripes too much. He then said drop it. So Roy must have known some thing that was pretty important. I sincerely believe that there are them that knows and them that doesn't and we are the doesnt's.

Does this help a bit.

Obs

[John Burroughs]

Well observer it was more than a simple prank or our govenment pulling one over on us. And no I'm not saying we were visted by ET but you don't have 8000 documents on it and it was somthing simple. It sure looks like they handled our case like the 1993 one and I know it was a rocket burning up or know a Sat. But once again that case even had documents come up missing! There is nothing wrong with this forum until you make it personal exchanging Ideas is one thing making things up twisting things to fit your theories ignoring other people statements is not trying to get to the bottom of what happened!

This was posted on my FB page

The simple fact is that people like McGahee and Ridpath CANNOT prove their so called "Scientific" theories because they CANNOT reproduce the result by experiment, therefore it's not "Scientific".

Personally I think "We" have taken the "Scientific" approach by listening to peer reviews, ideas and in the end have to admit we don't have a fully provable theory.

Neither McGahee or Ridpath were there, nor was I, so my attitude is pretty simple. There is now way I can reproduce what you saw, even if I had the financing to try. I don't believe they could reproduce it either, so to me they are a joke trying to claim they know the answer better than the people who were there.

[Observer]

John

I will stick my neck out here and repeat what you and me said several years ago, they tried out an experiment on you guys and there is a good chance that the British Government were in on it.

I also think that Halt just stumbled in on the experiment and he wasn't supposed to be there.

The UFO story was released to the public and the Air Force in a very controlled low key way, Brenda Butler in the local pub and Zikler to the USAF/Press, both around the same time, It was cleverly stage managed as to throw the heat off what really went down.

I still think the lights you saw was part of the experiment and I also think they were there to lure you into the forest so the experiment could take place, I Think it was a black Psych Op, and you guys were the Guinea pigs for future use on the Soviet troops. Have a look into that! I much prefer this idea than some alien craft.

Obs

[bignos]

just to point out - the lighthouse was 750 000 candelas bightness, it is now 635 000. that is actually not much more as for example a 100watt lightbulb is not twice the brightness of a 50watt bulb as you would think, it is actually more like twice the brightness of a 25watt bulb. so as you see the decrease in power is marginal meaning that the light is hardly any different to how it was (and probably not noticable)

[John Burroughs]

Observer I have always been open to different Ideas on what could have happened. The one thing I know and I was there was we were not drawen out into the forrest by the lighthouse. Whatever it was was seen clearly from the east gate was there quite awhile from the time Bud and I first saw it Penniston arrived on scene and we went into the forrest. The white light coming from it at one pointe reached the edge of the forrest before the road and it was not a car beame. I also know we were to the right of the farmers house and you could not see the lighthouse until you passed it and thats where we saw the becon light and yes we did follow it to see what it was. I have never said I new where the lighthouse was before that night. But I do know the difference between what I saw from the gate at the end of the road and in the forrest was not a becon. I also know that when I was in the field in Dec you could see the house on fire just liked Halt said he did again right of the farmers house and you cannot even see the lighthouse from there. I fact you have to be right up on the farmers field before you can even see the becon and thats to the left of the farmers house. Its also very interesting a one pointe Ian tried to say there was no farm animals out there yet there is another house to the right and closer to the road that does have them. I trying to get a clip sent to me and I will post it. I'm interested in seeing where Gordon who claimed on a posting they have the spot marked from Bruni picture in her book is. I beleive there might be 2 landing sights based on the fact one is described as having triangler spots in the ground and another being round. Halt has said they made false sites which I find interesting. I also notice they do there best to keep the area that's near capel green from having any activity at all. Its also interesting that Halt talks about it exploding into several objects never saw a light house do that before or fly around in the sky beaming lights down a ones feet.

[Observer]

Halt has not been helpful with this and I wonder what his motives were to invent new 'landing' sites. He really is the odd ball in this mystery. Then he says he knows things that are his insurance for old age, what is this guy saying for goodness sake. Do you think he knows lots more than we do.

I don't have a problem with the light house beacon, you blokes all saw it and you checked it out and it was just part of this incident, but there was other lights as well that were not explanable.
Obs

[John Burroughs]

Halt knows more. He admited there was a night between our two nights in Phoenix. I met with Conrad last summer and Conrad told me there was. They were investigating what happened from the first night when more things happened to include Tamplin having her vehicle shut down after a blue light went through it. She was ROD thats why she was not out there on the third night. We have 2 people who were on duty who talked about what they heard that night with Ball and Tamplin in the forrest plus the fact Halt came out. After I called him on it he admited that it happened talked about it in his presention but refused to admit he was out there. I also called him on the 3rd night I have a tape with him talking about how I came forword on the 3rd night. Thats when I met up with him and Adrian and I moved forword. All 3 officers are holding back Williams Conrad and Halt. I beleive Halt was involved early then kept out of it at a certain pointe used as a fall guy you have to have proof before Halt will give up certain things Zickler played a big part in this also. One other interesting note while I was in the UK in Dec I had 2 ladies approach us at the hotel. Both of them were up in age with the one having to drive the other who was working at Woodbrige at the time. She was a school teacher at Woodbrige High School and had quite a story to tell. I had to do a interview but got to hear part of it and she told the rest to Linda. It seems Halt took her and her friend out there a couple of times on Sat and Sun while everthing was going on to have her friend who was science teacher try and answer some question about certain things. Linda interviewed her and was going to air it but I asked to wait until we saw Halt in Phoenix. He got very nervous when asked said it didnot happen then refused to talk to Linda anymore. I beleive at some pointe she is going to air the interview but Gordy or anybody else who lived in the area might want to track her down or get her to show up in Sept you will find what she has to say very interesting.

[Frank]

you blokes all saw it and you checked it out and it was just part of this incident, but there was other lights as well that were not explanable.

Exactly. If you take all the evidence on this case together and leave out Jim’s later versions, this simply becomes a completely consistent story of three men who had a brief encounter with something they couldn’t explain and who reluctantly reported it. Every piece of evidence, including Conrad’s story published by Dave Clarke and even the reactions of Buran and Armold (who are skeptical and mainly reacting to the later embellishments of this story) is consistent with it.

Only the witnesses can tell what it looked like. And at that time they described some ‘thing’ or ‘arrangement of lights’, with a blinking red light on top, a horizontal arrangement of blue lights beneath and a blue/white glow from the bottom. And it disappeared leaving the airmen flabbergasted without Chandler even noticing it.

Maybe we can work from that ..?

[John Burroughs]

This piece had Ed C in it.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QhEZmKfxaE and Monroe Nevils.

[bignos]

if you go on google earth and use street view you can see that road by the farmhouse quite well, there is also a good view of the field by the finger where the revised landing site / em field was felt in Dec with Linda. Could someone who knows screen shot it and show any highlights?

[AdrianF]

I think it's safe to say that most of us suffer from little green man syndrome

[IanR]

just to point out - the lighthouse was 750 000 candelas bightness, it is now 635 000.

If you believe Trinity House's own figures, the light was 5 million candelas back in 1980 – see the right sidebar on this page
http://www.ianridpath.com/ufo/rendlesham2.htm
The picture on that page also answers John B's contention that the lighthouse is to the left of the farmhouse as seen from the forest edge.

Ian

PS: I'm also intrigued to learn more about this other farmhouse with animals he describes "to the right and closer to the road" that doesn't show up on maps or satellite photos...