Penniston's sketch & F117-A stealth fighter

[stephan]

@ puddlepirate,

if John or other witnesses can confirm this and if this was in fact unusual (not an everyday procedure) which I would think then this would indeed be a strong indication for the recovery of a downed secret aircraft.

I found a similar mention of another aircraft that landed on Dec. 29:

On the morning of 29 December, tactical teams flew in from Germany in an unmarked C130 aircraft, complete with its own security personnel. They were at Woodbridge base to check damage to the nuclear ars[]enal, as the UFOs had fired pencil-thin beams into the bunkers that housed them.

@ Ignis Fatuus,

that is of course another possibility. I said this earlier, too. IF ET was involved he (or she ) obviously doesn't have any intention for disclosure either!

[Deep Purple]

If it was connected to the f117a or prototypes--- it did not crash--- it would have caused too much damage/ explosion etc.
Its more likely that a replica or something similar was dropped into the woods for the purpose of causing a UFO flap.
This would explain why there were rumours of the ARRS involvement ( Search & Rescue team) if they did it.
As pointed out mind control devices or even narcotics could have been dipsersed into the area to disorient ground security staff--- remember US had a lot of experience with nerve agents etc.

The whole purpose of this would be to create a myth of a triangular ufo to hide the real arrival of the Stealth Fighter in the UK.
If during the early 80s you caught a glimpse of this weird new aircraft--- there was an immediate cover story in place so nobody would take you seriuosly--- you saw a UFO

I doubt wether I could ever prove this, and I admit I could be way off the mark---- equally it does tick a lot of boxes when you think about it

[stephan]

your suggestion would dodge two problems:

a) the need for (a) undamaged crashed craft(s)
b) the need for two crashed crafts within 3 days (1st and 3rd night)

Still I'm not sure what's more difficult do believe, this scenario or the UFOs (ET). With all those reports and sightings as well as abduction stories around the world the ET version (IMO) becomes somewhat more likely. And perhaps there are people who just want to lead our thoughts into that direction (secret aircraft/ black projects). If you think about all those stories about UFOs meddling with nuclear weapons, see here:

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=100485166672588

one could very well imagine that some people really had to think of something very elaborate to deviate attention from those UFOs, for example by constructing aircrafts that look very similar to the reported UFO crafts. Think about it:

a) disc shaped UFOs (the classic flying saucer): their counterpart, the Avrocar:



b) wing shaped UFOs (as reported by Kenneth Arnold): their counterpart, the flying wing (B2, Northrop YB-49 etc)



c) triangular shaped crafts (like the Rendlesham ones), their counterpart: the F117-A

if you look at the flight characteristics of all of these three types of aircraft shapes it becomes clear that they are more or less more problematic than useful:

read about the many problems with the Avrocar (flying saucer design) in this Wiki article:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avrocar

flying wing design:

Theoretically the flying wing is the most efficient aircraft configuration from the point of view of aerodynamics and structural weight. It is argued that the absence of any aircraft components other than the wing should naturally provide these benefits. However in practice an aircraft's wing must provide for flight stability and control; this imposes additional constraints on the aircraft design problem. Therefore, the expected gains in weight and drag reduction may be partially or wholly negated due to design compromises needed to provide stability and control. Alternatively, and more commonly, a flying wing type may suffer from stability and control problems.

source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_wing

triangular shape design:

The single-seat Nighthawk is powered by two non-afterburning General Electric F404 turbofan engines, and has quadruple-redundant fly-by-wire flight controls.

source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_F-117_Nighthawk

i.e. the pilot would be unable to control this type of craft without the help of this quadruple-redundant fly-by-wire flight controls.

although the flying wing design is older than the nuclear age it still may have been ''re-inspired'' by the wing shaped UFOs and perhaps the UFOs already represented a ''problem'' to certain people in earlier times. This topic though may be better suited for the conspiracy section

[puddlepirate]

Something worth noting - I don't know how many of the contributors to this forum, other than JB and LW, are ex-military but those who are will know that stuff happens. Generally, those involved only discuss such incidents between themselves and never with anyone outside the clique. Cover ups aren't usually necessary because everyone keeps their mouths firmly shut. Amongst my mates are a couple of submariners from Cold War days and they will never talk about what they got up to to anyone who was not in the boat at the time. Why is this relevant? Because it would not be that hard to keep something quiet. If something occurred in Rendlesham Forest that needed to be kept quiet, those who really know what happened will say nothing. If the command wanted to create a false scenario, then in reality it would not be that hard. They simply do what needs to be done and remind those involved of their obligations under the OSA (or US equivalent) and the penalties they would incur should they be found in breach of those obligations. It happened to me once, in a pub in Plymouth (the Royal Naval Arms not far from HMS Drake main gate, for those who know Plymouth). The pub was empty save a small group of us and two officers in uniform standing a short distance away from our group. We were chatting quietly amongst ourselves when one of the officers came over and told us in no uncertain terms to 'Shut the f**k up. Remember where you are'. Therefore all that would be required at Rendlesham would be for the command to call a briefing of all involved and read the riot act.

[John Burroughs]

If you look at it only one person was out there running there month and that would be Larry Warren and a couple of other people in the pubs talking to Brenda Butler. After Larry broke the story wide open with the release of Halts memo and tape which from what I have been told was released by the British or through the British damaged control started! Up until then none of us were out there looking for attention or talking about the incident!

[puddlepirate]

Exactly. I believe it was kept quiet until the News of the World got hold of it....

[stephan]

Puddle, John, I'm still wondering why you mention this at this point. I think Larry did the right thing even though he was told to remain silent. And you did the right thing, too. You did not deny what happened and came forward as witnesses. The only guys who did not the right thing were those who allegedly are in the know. It's obvious that it cannot be an issue of national security (in the true sense of the word). In other words disclosure can't do harm to anyone. If we find out that ET is here then this can only be of advantage to us and if ET is switching off nuclear weapons to prevent a nulcear war or the threat of it even more so. The only reason for those who know what really happened can be damage control in regard to the ''image'' of the military (IMHO).

well, and if it was about black projects like the Stealth - the public knows about it in the meantime. No need for further secretiveness!

[John Burroughs]

Stephen
And no time did I say Larry was right or wrong on the decession he made to bring this out in the open! It is clear there was a attempt to start rumors from the begging that this was a alien encounter! I have been on the record denying certain things that happened! The biggest part was that Col Williams had contact with alien's in the forest and that he we helped repair there ship!As far as Larry goes he brought a lot of shit down on me by saying I jumped up on a ship and went for a ride he now says he was told that I would like to know by who! By doing what he did he did force us to come out and talk about it! We have all taken a lot of crap because of what has come out have we not! And other than what Robert Hastings who was told by a unidentified Maj where is there proof nuclear weapons were shut off? I know a C-5 came in on Sunday I know they were out in the woods doing some kind of work M-W. I know there were beams of light going down in the area of the WSA. I heard them talking about the beams on the radio from the WSA But the guys on duty there all say they fell outside the area even the guy in the tower that night says that! They were close to the WSA but didn't fall inside of it! One of the guys even called in and challenged Halt on the first radio show that was done in May! The things I'm talking about are coming out under Hypnosis not something I remember as far as it being time travelers and even thenit does not come out as being ET for Jim and I and last time I checked it was Jim and I that got the closest to it!

[stephan]

yep, I've noticed there had been some things Larry (or his sources) had said which have caused some trouble. But the media also did its part to distort the facts. With a story so big like this one I think it's more or less inevitable to get all the facts right in the first attempt. I also think that the more people know about the RFI the more it is likely that finally you get to the bottom of truth which I suppose you would also like to know. So after all the fact that the story is out is a good thing, wouldn't you agree ?

Robert Hastings said that and to be honest I said that, too (on another forum), independently. It was just my interpretation of what I had heard and seen so far about the RFI. I mean clearly Halt has stressed at the NPC that the UFO (or whatever it was) sent down beams of light into the WSA. If the beams were not directly aimed into that area (at the nukes) maybe they aimed at something else that was connected to the control of the nukes (cables / control center or thelike). There's no direct proof but I suppose if it really happened such an issue would certainly have been classified as top secret. Plus there have been numerous other incidents in which nuclear weapons were affected (Malmstrom, Vandenburg etc.). There's even a report in the russian newspaper Pravda about an UFO sighted above the damaged nuclear reactor at Chernobyl. So there are many indications that lead to this assumption which can of course be wrong.

btw John, what is M-W ?

[John Burroughs]

Stephan
I'm not saying it didn't happen I'm only telling you what I know from being there and what people have said since Halt and Hasting started talking about what could have happened inside the WSA. The interesting thing was the fact someone called in and challenged Halt on the radio! As far as Larry goes it is what it is he did what he felt he had to do! And yes the media played there part in this also! I'm also aware of the fact there has been other incident involving Nuclear weapons and I'm curious on what Halt will have to say at the conference. I agree now that its out the more we talk about it and thats also why I would like to get everybody together the more we can learn!

[ncf1]

Yes its best to get as many people together and as often as possible because of conflicting opinions; but with such a mind-blowing event where one would not know their left hand from their right, this was always going to be the case anyway. The thing that interests me even more is the similarities with other cases, and the most prevalent for me is the Allagash incident. I've listened to Jim and his brother speak in a number of documentaries and some of the similarities are just remarkable; the mentioning of the black, like glass finish, the way the colours seemed to be part of the fabric of the craft (Chuck Rak mentioned this), the way time was altered, the nightmares, the triangular description of the craft and how it seemed to distort. There are just so many similarities, and I think that perhaps one way to get a clearer answer is to look more broadly at other cases and try to piece things together. As Larry Warren says, he doesn't believe this is a random case at all and so many players have mentioned that they felt they were singled out, as if they were chosen beforehand, and Clifford Stone has spoken a lot about this in particular. It is just mindblowing, the implications. But time and time again you read about these characteristics in events and you're just left with thinking well there's either a huge conspiracy going on and they are all perpetrating the same lie, or there is simply something happening that we just don't know about, and if indeed this is all not random, perhaps will not be able to fully comprehend, at least for now.