HALT TAPE TRANSCRIPT JULY 1ST 2010 - CJ PEARSON

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Re: HALT TAPE TRANSCRIPT JULY 1ST 2010 - CJ PEARSON

Postby Storm » Sun Jul 04, 2010 10:01 am

Where you goin peters. This is what Nevilles said as best as I can determine from the tape. So he knew Peters. That's important.

As for bringing in people I understand that to a degree but for accurate info gathering using these methods you need to ensure certain things. Health of subject to begin with. This was not torture to the death. This would have been altering memories. This requires knowledge of the subject medically. Else you risk killing them.

The context that this happened in is unique. So to bring up having to up to the starfish implies a location that the interrogation happened in. It also means that whoever said it knew where it was in relation to where they were. It rolls off the Tongue for them. We still gotta go up to the starfish. If they were strangers to the base they would say, when we are finished here we have to go to their starfish site. It's just the way people speak. Remember they are not talking for our benefit they are talking openly. Go up to implies somewhere percieved to be lower or not at their location.

For instance if it was across the base you say "over to". If it's up somewhere you say up to.

Its subtle I know but we say these things without thinking but they betray a lot.


When we used to go on leave if we left England to go home to say Manchester, we usd to say up the line. Literally meaning up the country assuming England was below the north. I mean clearly it's not it's across. But it's how we unconciously use the English language. And of course there are millitary specific references.

When Ball says we don't want them out here right now. He is picturing you where he thinks you should be. Inside the base fence. He is outside it. Like I said it's subtle but it tells us where Ball was and it shows where he feels you were.

When Nevilles says more cavalrys here he implies something. He is being ironic of course. But he does not mean one person. He implies he knows who it is too. Not saying- who is that. Or yelling for help.

There is lots of things that like that. Each one a subtle thing but in context and using the tone of voice used, you can work out so very much. And don't say you don't understand because we all do it every day without even thinking. We hardly ever analyse it though but I do.

And watch for random posts on the forum. That's where the distraction your talking about comes from john. Bringing up everso despirate points in order to drift the subject off topic. I know exactly what you mean. And I hope whoever does it knows that now it's not going to work.
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Re: HALT TAPE TRANSCRIPT JULY 1ST 2010 - CJ PEARSON

Postby Sacha Christie » Sun Jul 04, 2010 10:01 am

Wow.... Had a heads up from someone this was going on.. Storm... well done mate... just ignore the meeping from those who just don't want to hear the facts or even know the truth. they want everything to fit neatly in their own little way so they can still jump up and down like a giant 9 year old boy with tourrettes who just found out his scout leader was a peadophile but doesn't want to know cos he never fiddled with him.... It can't be true!!!

I'm shocked and horrified and i believe it. My partner has a recording studio and will be removing all noises from the audio until he gets to the base sounds.. his software and equipment is more than adequate.

I'm reposting this in the places I visit and will be sending it as messages to a lot of people including Robert Salas, Jerry Pippin, Whitley Strieber and a whole host of other noisy folk who are in the business whom i speak with very regularly...

Jerry Pippin is also doing the PR for the conference I'm setting up in suffolk.. you're all invited... Craig.. take care of yourself... Watch your back but in the meantime I'll make some noise... get the interest and the professionals to pick this up and analyze it too.

To the rest of you.... get it out there and those who don't want to believe it.. GET OVER IT..... YOU'VE BEEN
had.... accept it, and get kicking arse instead of kissing it...
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Re: HALT TAPE TRANSCRIPT JULY 1ST 2010 - CJ PEARSON

Postby Storm » Sun Jul 04, 2010 11:26 am

It's going to be a tough job though. The reason is in audio terms the recording is flat. Also the voices are the same as the same in the forest as in the room. Also the voices in amlot of cases have been deliberatley distroted. The good new is that whoever did it did it a while ago. The reason this is good is that now days we can visually see the sound waves on even the simplest software. They could not. So if you take the sentence : we went to the park today. In their day they listened and distorted where they heard it from. So this have in a lot of circumstances only distorted the few seconds in the middle. The beginning andend are
clear as a bell. If there is any help I can give pm me or email me and I will rough an audio version over to you so you can pinpoint it on this recording. Thank you from all of us for your help darlin.

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Re: HALT TAPE TRANSCRIPT JULY 1ST 2010 - CJ PEARSON

Postby Storm » Sun Jul 04, 2010 11:26 am

It's going to be a tough job though. The reason is in audio terms the recording is flat. Also the voices are the same as the same in the forest as in the room. Also the voices in amlot of cases have been deliberatley distroted. The good new is that whoever did it did it a while ago. The reason this is good is that now days we can visually see the sound waves on even the simplest software. They could not. So if you take the sentence : we went to the park today. In their day they listened and distorted where they heard it from. So this have in a lot of circumstances only distorted the few seconds in the middle. The beginning andend are
clear as a bell. If there is any help I can give pm me or email me and I will rough an audio version over to you so you can pinpoint it on this recording. Thank you from all of us for your help darlin.

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Re: HALT TAPE TRANSCRIPT JULY 1ST 2010 - CJ PEARSON

Postby Sacha Christie » Sun Jul 04, 2010 12:37 pm

Fortunately my fella has a recording studio and he's going to work on it.. bear in mind he has a full time job too but we are on it. Also the people I've posted this to have their own people to do the work.. Craig you did the hard slog, well done... now it's got great eyes on it.. angela joiner, joe montaldo, jerry pippin, john king, whitley strieber.. can't remember who else off the top of my head.. I know i sent it out thirty times.. a lot of them have their own radio showsI even sent it to Jim marrs lol...

My e mail is sachachristie@yahoo.com I just moved house and my phone will be on tomorrow so if you e mail me shove your number in and I'll bell you asap.

You've done a good thing.. albeit scary.. but I'm right behind you on this one.. I've given up giving a shit now. I nearly died because of what I went through. Suicide is painless? I don't fucking think so. Fucking good job theres a swear filter on here now.... lmao...

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Re: HALT TAPE TRANSCRIPT JULY 1ST 2010 - CJ PEARSON

Postby John Burroughs » Sun Jul 04, 2010 4:22 pm

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I just posted somthing on Sacha site on Face Book so I will post somthing here also! I think you have done great work on this! My question is the copy of the tape you used and the site it came from! You also stated the site went down while you were using it? I know Larry Warren had one of the first copies made of the tape it would be interesting to see if this copy could be taken to a independent studio and verified! If Larry Warren does not have a copy does Peter Robbins have one? It would be graet to get a copy of the closest one to the original and have it checked! What copy was Ian using when he did his transcript? Did he get it from Halt? Again Storm I mean no disrespect if this can be verified you have uncovered one of the most important pieces of evidence out there!!
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Re: HALT TAPE TRANSCRIPT JULY 1ST 2010 - CJ PEARSON

Postby Sacha Christie » Sun Jul 04, 2010 5:16 pm

I'm sending the tape for foresnic examination. I'm also sending it to channel 4 to the despatches team... thanks John for your comments. This is important.. if it's not true it needs eradicating from the disinfo pile but if it is... then we have 'a' truth.

I am truly disgusted and I feel for you.
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Re: HALT TAPE TRANSCRIPT JULY 1ST 2010 - CJ PEARSON

Postby John Burroughs » Sun Jul 04, 2010 6:57 pm

Silvertop
You brought up some very good points about how the tape was re recorded by Morgan on base in his office. And again Storm no disrespect to what you have done again I say if what your hearing can be recovered by a independent lab it would be a huge find! I just wish this could have been taken to a top notch lab and confirmed before it got out on Facebook! Again Storm thank you for all of your hard work and effort and keep pushing on with this!!! This makes Col Halts original tape that he has so very important!!
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Re: HALT TAPE TRANSCRIPT JULY 1ST 2010 - CJ PEARSON

Postby Sacha Christie » Sun Jul 04, 2010 7:46 pm

John... this IS going to a top notch lab... we'll know one way or the other soon.... Hang in there :)

I contacted Linda about this tonight too.... and I have been in touch with Jerry Pippin... he's got ppl who can look into this professionally....
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Re: HALT TAPE TRANSCRIPT JULY 1ST 2010 - CJ PEARSON

Postby John Burroughs » Sun Jul 04, 2010 7:55 pm

Sacha
Why don't you have Gary H look into this also he is a detective and i'm sure he could have it checked!
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Re: HALT TAPE TRANSCRIPT JULY 1ST 2010 - CJ PEARSON

Postby John Burroughs » Sun Jul 04, 2010 8:04 pm

Sacha and others
Can anybody else pick up what Storms hears comming from the tape! I have now spent hours trying and can't! Beleive me it would be great if its there and can be proven!!
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Re: HALT TAPE TRANSCRIPT JULY 1ST 2010 - CJ PEARSON

Postby stephan » Sun Jul 04, 2010 8:20 pm

John Burroughs wrote:Sacha and others
Can anybody else pick up what Storms hears comming from the tape! I have now spent hours trying and can't! Beleive me it would be great if its there and can be proven!!


I'll also give it a try :) a little excerpt is already available in the first post of page II. It differs only a bit from Ian's version. I'm not a top notch lab (whatever that may be :wink: ) but I'll give it my best shot. I believe that maybe it would be advisable to have as many versions from different authors as possible and filter out the commonalities. This way we may get as close as possible to the wording of the conversations. Best thing would be though if the real participants of the recording would check the outcome as well. They certainly understand themselves better than we do :mrgreen:
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Re: HALT TAPE TRANSCRIPT JULY 1ST 2010 - CJ PEARSON

Postby Storm » Sun Jul 04, 2010 8:30 pm

Right this is what you must so or
else you are reducing your chances.

You must use inner ear headphones. It's a total must. it too hard otherwise.

You must tune out Halt. That is the hardest thing to do. Do not listen to him. You have to visualise the room. The room with others listening. Now go to the half a millirem bit.

We are getting then the hissng sound then I think it's halt that strts talking. Before that literally a second
before nevilles says we were getting this an more. Clear as a bell. But I don't even hear him anymore. Halt that is. I guess you have to train yourself. Sorry really didnt think it wouldnbe this much of a ball ache. I know off by heart where each thing happens now. Bet if tomorrow i went over it again I would hear more. Least that's what happened with the other transcript I did.

Other easy phrases are from memory erm

the starfish one. That is distorted and spoken fast and in the middle of halt in the forest talking I think. But highlight that bit on audacity and again quite clear.

Oh yeah after you find them loop it to get comfortable with the speed that they are talking at as they are all different some whispered some close as fuck to the mike so that they distort the sound levels and then when you think you have it turn loop off. I found that it made them say something different. The sentence starts to roll around on itself.

Go and play becomes gonand play goanplay playango play and go play and go etc
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Re: HALT TAPE TRANSCRIPT JULY 1ST 2010 - CJ PEARSON

Postby Xenobia » Mon Jul 05, 2010 1:30 am

I have been watching this board for some time and feel that now it is important for me to speak out regarding the inaccuracies and misinterpretations of storm's transcript. All of us want the truth and every one of us wants to see the bigger picture at hand - if Sgt. Nevels was interrogated, which is quite possible, having direct evidence of this would be an invaluable tool in public awareness of military indecency and would better our knowledge of the true nature of this case.

If Nevels was in actual fact interrogated, it is my deepest regret that audio-evidence of the event has not yet been found. It is certainly not present in the Halt tape and Storm's perhaps admirable guesswork serves only to further confuse matters, muddying the waters of an already intricate and complex mystery.

I have spent days worth of research on soundforge, analyzing the Halt tape and, like all of you, was particularly intrigued by Storm's claims of hidden audio on the tape. Yet, after actively seeking out the additions Storm has made to the transcript, the only messages that were deciphered correctly by him were "So we go to the mess right after this?" and "You recording?" Every other 'hidden message' is either entirely misread or seemingly conjured out of nothing - white noise and static overlap and can be interpreted however you want, and Storm's transcript is the perfect example of this.

With bizarre interpretations such as "I like dark suits," it is a complete wonder that Storm decided to release this at all - I actively suggest that all of you listen to the tape and attempt to find even one correct 'interrogation message' aside from the two mentioned in the previous paragraph. Some of the phrases he has chosen sound absolutely nothing like the actual recording and do not indicate any similarity between the static and Storm's interpretation thereof. If anyone takes this kind of unfounded speculation seriously in the future, this case is going to get even muddier than it already is - and none of us want that.

This is not aimed as an insult toward you, Storm, but simply a reminder to every single one of us - this is a serious case where our research must be on top form and we cannot speculate imaginary patterns where they simply don't exist.
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Re: HALT TAPE TRANSCRIPT JULY 1ST 2010 - CJ PEARSON

Postby Storm » Mon Jul 05, 2010 6:33 am

No insult taken.

I agree with you there especially about the "I like dark suits"

let's clarify that specific example. Puddle pirate asked me in this forum if I could hear barnyard animal noises. Nope I could not. But then I found the dog barking. As did others once I pointed it out.

So then i started looking deeper at the ambient noises. After 3 days I had raced through the trasncript and had found several things. Of which surfaced this:

deffinately gonna need another suit : I presumed because nevilles had peed himself. Then as halt describes the eye shaped craft he says:

isssl sorta ldark senner a a real like an eye winkin at ya. That's roughly how it sounded just as I have bizarli written it. Which obviously sounds wrong. It sounds wrong but your brain fills in in the blanks and makes it ok.

Problem is he says dark twice. You can only hear it on loop and there after it's clear. Now after you slow it down and listen over and over again you get I like dark suits. The second dark is not halt talking. It's much deeper. That was after three days of looking. Literally rushing through.

But because of the other sounds I contacted silvertop and said could we speak over the phone. I wanted to make sure he was a good person, intelligent, and trustworthy.

After John(silvertop) failed to reply yes to a phone call I asked again and again. Eventually john said just send what you have by email. Reluctantly I did given that fact that I have no idea who he is. After 24 hours he replied back saying it was fascinating. That I should post it up on here.

Not sure of my facts I said well let me carry on and I will see what I have by Friday. That was two and a half weeks ago. One phrase was "I like dark suits" odd phrase and did not seem to fit but hey. It's what I heard.

I never sent that version to anyone else. Not a soul. If it's on this version on this site it's not my doing. I left it out because it made no sense and did not seem to fit into context. But I will look at that section and remove it.

*

I hope your right. But ian I know from what you wrote above that you can hear some of it. I doubt the harder stuff but you certainly can hear some of it can't you.

Regards.

Edit below: now I am at my PC.

No its not on my version. Nor is it on the word version I sent out. That particular phrase was left out. That statement is only on the one I sent via a PM to Silvertop. I did not send that to anyone else - that's a little embarrassing. Clearly Silver you cannot understand the request - keep this to yourself. I assume this means your not trustworthy. "a good person" and "intelligent" still up for grabs. Sorry Silver but when you get caught out, you get caught out and this was quite funny and cheered me up. No offence taken btw.

To save you all looking:

T COLONEL HALT: OK we're looking at the thing, we're probably about 2 to 3 hundred yards away. It looks like an eye winking at you, it's still moving from side to side and when you put the starscope on it. . . it, it's
LT COLONEL HALT: It start's swaying.
LT COLONEL HALT: . . . sort of a hollow centre right . . a dark centre, it's...
LT ENGLUND: It's like a pupil...
LT COLONEL HALT: Yeah like the pupil of an eye looking at you, winking . ... and the flash is so bright to the starscope, that err... it almost burns your eye.
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Re: HALT TAPE TRANSCRIPT JULY 1ST 2010 - CJ PEARSON

Postby Daniel » Mon Jul 05, 2010 12:36 pm

Once you tune out the main investigation by Halt you start to pick up quite a bit of noise. Until Storm pointed it out I never heard water hitting material similar to wood, cloth or leather (in the audio) and it's quite clear. Later in the audio I also hear a bird singing around the 2-3am mark, maybe a Robin.

Voice can be tricky to understand. I swear I heard "sorry Adams(Irish Accent?)" at one point and "This kids a liar" at another point. Since my environment is noisy I'm probably hearing things incorrectly. Forgot I could use my laptop and reduce the environmental noise greatly.

Are your earphones noise cancelling Storm?

Andrew Pike? or any else, would sound echo more in a Electro static/magnetic field? During the high pitched humming sound I get an echo like the investigation is being conducted in a cave or tunnel, but it only lasts during this high pitched humming sound. Now I did make some changes using Adobe Audition 3 to increase the band, where most of the audio from the investigation can be heard, by 6db so it could be my mistake.

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Re: HALT TAPE TRANSCRIPT JULY 1ST 2010 - CJ PEARSON

Postby Storm » Mon Jul 05, 2010 12:57 pm

Silvertop wrote:Hey Storm/FMG,

Xenobia is a relation of mine and an audio engineer. After you posted your transcript on the site I emailed him the copy you sent asuming it to be the same.

Cheers,

St.


LOL thats alright Silver - made me laugh though.

I am amazed at the number of sound engineers everyone knows. I do not know a single one and I know hundreds of people. Maybe I need to get out more.

Well static aside "no guns" is very clear as well. Yet seems to have been missed for the last 30 years.

Maybe the static everyone hears is the pfffffffffff they say as they give up after a few minutes.

Who knows.

Dan - i wish I could say that my headphones are the latest electrickery money can buy. I wish I could say that they are NASA standard issue but they aint. Just the bog standard ones you get when you buy an iphone. And the laptop I used was a Sony PCG R600HMPD. £1800.00 when I bought it which was about 6 years ago.

come down a bit since then but not by that much - http://www.laptopshop.co.uk/sony-vaio_p ... -1-nd2.htm
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Re: HALT TAPE TRANSCRIPT JULY 1ST 2010 - CJ PEARSON

Postby Xenobia » Mon Jul 05, 2010 9:03 pm

As Silvertop has already explained, the similarities between myself and Mr Ridpath are purely coincidental - I have no experience in the field of radiation, but have a wealth of experience in pompous accents. Where is this presumption coming from that Nevels has wet himself? I feel as if you have created an entire interrogation scene in your mind and are using these abstract interpretations to attempt to prove it to yourself and others.

These 'additions' you have made to the transcript do not, in practice, sound at all like evidence of an interrogation - or even like what you believe them to be - they sound exactly like this: background noise from around four generations of recordings made from the original tape. You are searching for phrases to support your ideas, rather than simply analyzing the tape and realizing much of the dialogue heard is either completely unintelligible or a mixture of background noise and building static.

It would be exciting and wonderful if we could discover any more from this excess audio material - but it turns out, unfortunately, exactly as you say, "It sounds wrong but your brain fills in in the blanks and makes it ok." You are hearing only what your mind wants to hear, inventing patterns rather than finding them. Believers and researchers in EVP suffer from the very same condition as you, Storm - they invent words and phrases where only muffled, microphone sensitive feedback exists.

Surely there are words spoken that are not of Halt's original tape, I agree with that statement - most likely from Halt's original re-recording or from Sam Morgan's later copy. But most of them are either completely garbled by other sounds - even when isolated - or simply are not words at all. There is no gentleman with an 'African accent' that can be heard on the tape, nor does he tell us to put our trust in God. Your imagination is a fascinating thing, Storm, and deserves a forum of its own. "I like dark suits" was simply a good example of this sort of strange audio guesswork, regardless as to whether or not you still believe it to be spoken.

This 'harder stuff' you talk about is almost entirely fictional - there are brief noises to be heard but they in no way indicate your translations, if they indicate anything at all. You appear to read into the smallest static bursts and passages of cluttered silence - setting your scene with a tapestry of mysterious Africans and urination.

I can see you've really tried, which I admire, but your belief in your own particular 'ambient sound' interpretations is nonsensical - once you believe that you hear something it can become very hard to 'unhear' it. It is not to say that there are no 'hidden' messages in this tape, but simply that you have not yet discovered them. We can all hear the ambient noises, but we will either hear what you tell us we can hear or we will not hear it at all. I hope each of us can take any transcript of ambient audio with a large pinch of salt - after all, it was not recorded to be heard and garbled static is in the eye of the beholder.

On the analysis of Halt's 'winking eye' statement made on the original tape, I admit that I am not sure what he says after "it's.. it's" - the sound quality is too rough - but this mystery phrase is certainly from the original tape and not made on an additional recording device, as it has the exact same RMS volume and is spoken in the very same tone of voice - if that's what you were saying.

It would be quite easy to set up a similar mystery scene for the ambient audio to have arrived from, completely unrelated to the concept of interrogation, and connect misheard dialogue to back it up. The passages of scramble you have derived concept lines from - along with descriptions such as DRUGGED AND BEATEN AND SLURRING - immediately place the listener in your interrogation fantasy, suggesting subtly that they interpret background noise exactly as you have, rather than guessing their own version or realizing that the audio is completely incomprehensible to the human ear.


Barely any of your interpretations are rooted in the reality of the audio, and even less are correct. Trust me when I say that I'm glad that there are people like you and I, sacrificing our precious time on earth to analyze background static in communal tape recordings - otherwise we may end up missing important details in this case. With the 81st's best intentions at heart, it is vital we do not get carried away and begin to subconsciously invent that which does not exist.
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Re: HALT TAPE TRANSCRIPT JULY 1ST 2010 - CJ PEARSON

Postby Storm » Mon Jul 05, 2010 10:33 pm

Xen

knock it off. Your boring Me and your wasting your and my time as obviously I have to answer such a personal attack. You assume your right yet offer only your "because I say so" defence. You already made a concerted effort to belittle And control this morning which ended in a cringworthy train wreck. If I waste my time it's up to me. Just because you do not have the ability to hear the sounds does not make it so that they do not exist in part
or in whole. Your arrogance is to assume your opinion is unilateral.

This will be the last time I reply to you. Unfortunately this forum does not have the ability to place people on ignore.

Had I not looked in to the radiation readings with diligance we would still be under the impression that Mr Ridpath held all the answers. That is now not the case.

Mr Ridpaths transcript is floored as is the one on the main page of this site. Any and all detail is essential. Omisions are criminal negligence.

As for this new transcript we will have to wait and see. Howver trust
me when I say I have no further interest in conversing with someone who I do not even
know and who is related aparently with somene who decides to eak out info when and if they see fit.

That IS a fact and is quite the most hurtful insult that you or he could offer. Control or assumed control over anothers ability to progress. Disgusting. Shameful, and arrogant last and not least patronising.

I think we should leave it at that and move on with what each other can prove without further contact. That is my aim in this and all matters I enter in to. With truth openess and honesty. So thank you Xen you stranger you sudden contributer but I only speak for myself when i say no thanks. You have no credibilty with me as for others on here you choose as you will. I have no adgenda to influence anyone so publicly when it could have been discussed in a PM first. public sudden attack with no proof or alternative suggestion with proof is a little amature.

And Silver I don't know what your contribution has been to justice for the 81st, but all I have seen so far is a control freak. I did the transcript in May. As fully as I was able at the time. And yet I missed things which you well knew. When I suggeted it was a copy and footsteps could be heard in the backgroud you confirmed that you knew this. Tht was three weeks ago. Some month and a half after my transcript. Do you not think it would be beholden upon you to bring this up at the time to everybody.

That fact that you know someone with a true first gen copy of the tape.

The fact that you would be surprised if it does not all come out this year due to "what's going on behind the scenes".

The fact that you do not understand what the whole radiation thing means because it loses you.

Is this really the best placed person to exact control ove the flow of info. To be a point of contact in the first instance of finding something. Who does not discuss openly but runs to a complete stranger who lectures at some length to us.

Sorry but credibility is earnt until lost. If I am wrong about the transcript which you have yet to prove I will happily edit the transcript. Why on earth wouldn't I. But I am afraid you have yet to show anything but some patronising lecturer as the truth. Lol and that's a bloody joke. And i don't know what the he'll you thought was going to happen when this person came on here but by allowing this character assasination to go unchecked by god by god you better not aim anything at me. That has not been a debate. A discussion. It's a dissmisal. And a poorly thought out one at that. Who do you think your dealing with. Some old fart without a clue. Lol. You need to wake up guys. Your on a public forum. Just because you think your smarter than someone it does not make it so.

I think we should leave it there. I was warned by at least 20 people on this forum about how this forum goes round in circles and shuts up anyone who does not agree or join a click. I don't do clicks. I trust everyone and will talk to anyone and help anyone to the best if my ability until they try and rear end me. And if I end up being wrong I enjoy being sorry because you learn from it. Don't you ever dare belittle these guys efforts again. Live up to the spirit of this forum. The search for truth. I am disgusted at the seedy nature of some of the people on here.

And I won't tollorate it aimed at me.
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