30th Anniversary Conference discussion/Binary Code [merged]

[arvd]

£ 1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 lol

[Daniel]

In my opinion the binary shown in the 'Ancient Aliens' episode was probably slightly manipulated as seen with the added data in the square brackets, which I'm guessing is where some of the noise and error compensation has been done. The decyphered message appears to be more subjective, where as Jim has been trained to be objective and all the information written down is going to be important in some way, and not just noise.

Maybe there are more things in Jim's notebook, but I'm not going to discount what is brought forward. It doesn't mean I believe in it, but I'll archive it and compare it with other witness statements from other cases.

The sad thing about the media is that they see the topic of UFOs as a joke. You could easily hear that from the Radio Suffolk recording. They'll joke and ridicule and then pass off their theory as fact and it will never stop.

[1980]

The fact that all profits from the 30th anniversary conference went to charity speaks volumes about John and Jim's cause. It cannot be said that they are after money.

I do not believe any real money can be made from this. Perhaps the opposite - the witnesses have faced years of ridicule - that's the price they have to pay for standing their ground.
In reality, the mainstream media does not care about Rendlesham, or even the greater UFO 'field'. Most people don't either.

Totally valid point. Whatever anyone thinks about this incident and the latest developments, however fantastic they may seem, its not as if the odd appearance on a TV show every five years or so is really going to make a substantial retirement fund. Why these guys are still banging on about it 30 years later says a lot about their motives which is the truth - mundane or extraordinary - either would be good.

At the end of the day, barring the witnesses involved none of us know anything other than what we have read, heard or seen on TV. No one has to believe anything they say and we are all entitled to come up with theories and what not, but the lack of respect bothers me - this forum's standards have slipped. Antagonistic comments don't help unless the plan is to alienate (no pun intended) the only actual witnesses that contribute to this discussion. I've been following this case since the mid-eighties, have visited the area many, many times and would love to know the whole story but its nothing to what JB, JP and LW have had to endure for three decades.

[Frank]

In my opinion the binary shown in the 'Ancient Aliens' episode was probably slightly manipulated as seen with the added data in the square brackets

"Slightly manipulated" is an understatement. The binary code translates to:

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Scroll to 12:32 on http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpvEShmpwHU and you'll see.

Converted to binary code this is something like (as can be seen at 12:31 in the video):
01000110 01001110 10101010 10101001 00101010 01010011 00100001 10100111 10100111 01100011 01010011 10100111 00100000 01010101 00001101 00001010 01010000 11010011 11010011 00100010 01010011 00100010 01010011 01001111 01010100 01010100 11100011 00110110 00101010 00101100 00011001 00101010 00110010 01111010 01011110 10101001 01011110 11001001 10100001 01011110 10101001 00100010 00011001 01110001 00110000 00100010 00110000 00100010 00110000 01011110 10110001 11001010 10110000 01111010 01110010 10100010 01001001 01001110 00110101 00110010 00110000 00111001 00110100 00001101 00001010 11001001 10101001 11101011 10101010 01101010 00110010 01111010 00011001 00101100 01100010 00001101 00001010 01110010 00101010 10100010 00001101 00001010 00011000 11001010 00001101 00001010 00011100 10110010 00001101 00001010 01110000 11100011 01001000 01110001 01100010 00001101 00001010

So you''ll need a lot of 'error correction' and 'noise removal' (what noise ..?) to arrive at a message like the one presented by the History Channel.

I agree with Admin and others: There is not much money to gain in the UFO subject. I don't think this is a major factor here. Jim should have looked at other channels to investigate the code, that's all. There are lots of very bright people out there. I'm sure that publication of the code will yield interesting results (and a lot of BS of course, but I think that's worth it).

[Admin]

"Slightly manipulated" is an understatement. The binary code translates to:

This is what I had first assumed - the binary code translates to... gibberish. On closer inspection, I think that Frank is correct. The "exploration of humanity" message is only a possible message, one that I fear may have been force-fitted. The binary code may have another purpose altogether - it may not have any meaning in ASCII. It could be machine code. It could be anything.

The online decoding tools, such as the one used in the documentary, take each eight-character binary string, convert it to its ASCII equivalent and finally to its text equivalent. This is not enough - too many assumptions have been made in this process. The twelve pages of binary code should be passed to a computer scientist, or a university.

[Essexufo]

Let's not let the binary code aspect take over the whole event. Should we not concentrate more on what other local witnesses saw? The more witness testimony the better. Also I agree that there are not fortunes that can be made out of this. I suppose it's in our cultural nature to be cynical. Any researcher who has had the misfortune to have a journo's teeth into them knows that their statements must be factual and watertight. Journo's do twist the truth and in certain instances make up sensationalist material to make the story more newsworthy so from a financial point of view I don't think JP,JB and Halt are going to be buying a new condo yet. As I've said before it does take guts to come out with anything to do with UFO's, some aspects of the media still think we're all nutters so we do have to give credit to the guys for putting themselves in the firing line.

[Frank]

Interview with Jim and John on December 29 2010 about the binary codes and the notebook.

Also interesting: John gives an explanation for the wrong date & time in Jim's notebook. Apparently Jim wrote the codes in his notebook on December 27 around 12:20, and the notebook page containing this date is the starting page of the notebook section with the binary codes. The notebook pages with the description of the craft were made before that.

[Frank]

The page with the wrong date & time can be found at 02:14 in:
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xefic0_sci-fi-declassified-ufo-invasion-at_tech

Or at 21:58 in: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5212634272599373426#

Unfortunately the next page does not show any signs of binary code ...

[Gordy]

There were alot of local witnessess at the event. My colleague Dave was in the reception area of the Community Hall on the afternoon of the event when in walked Gordon Levett. He did not say too much to Dave and did not want to attend the conference, why? I have no idea. Other reunions that day included the appearance of Dot Street, who Brenda had not seen or even heard from for years. Gary Baker, who worked at Neatishead had very important testomony, stating the MoD had taken tapes away from the radar station shortly after the events and stated that there were in fact two radars at Neatishead, one would take over should the primary one fail. I know there were others in the audience who either did not get the chance to say anything or who did not want to say anything. I have had two or three phone calls from people over the last few weeks who were in the area in Dec 1980, they all seem to say the same thing, why had the British Police and the US Police closed roads in the area at the time?, no reason was given at the time and lengthy diversions were required to get to where they wanted to go. The British Police know alot more than what they have released.

[Frank]

Thanks RendleSham.

Another strange thing: Why would he write "response notes A/C crash" on this page? He already knew it wasn't an aircraft crash by then ..

[Frank]

I think JP's notebook is going to become more of an enigma than the rendlesham forest incident itself soon!

Sadly, it’s a very weak story if you look at the hard facts:

1. Jim claims to have made notes and pictures at the spot but John doesn’t remember this.
2. The date and times in Jim’s notebook do not match the established timeline.
3. Jim refuses to put his notebook on the internet for all to see.
4. After 30 years suddenly 12 pages of 0’s and 1’s turn up. Long lists of 0’s and 1’s may look very advanced, but in reality a ‘0’ and a ‘1’ are symbols invented by humans – there is nothing ‘alien’ about them.
5. Jim uses this as an explanation for the wrong date, but the recordings we have from his notebook do not match this explanation.
6. The alleged forensic investigation report of his notebook is nowhere to be seen.

I really tried to keep an open mind on this, but if I go any further my brains will fall out ..

You could be right 1980- the pot of money could be very limited. This might explain why theres been an increasing amount of in-fighting between the main witnesses to become top dog in this case and get the lions share.

Could be, but there may be other human factors at play here besides money.

Another thing is, does anyone else think it was strange that that Jims notebook coordinates referred to the mythical island of hy-brasil, supposedly inhabited by an advanced race of beings that disappeared hundreds of years back.

Not really, no .. There are lots of possibilities with 12 pages of binary code ..

[puddlepirate]

01000011 01101111 01110101 01101100 01100100 00100000 01101001 01110100 00100000 01100010 01100101 00100000 01110100 01101000 01100001 01110100 00100000 01110111 01100101 00100000 01100001 01101100 01101100 00100000 01101000 01100001 01110110 01100101 00100000 01100010 01100101 01100101 01101110 00100000 01100100 01100101 01100011 01100101 01101001 01110110 01100101 01100100 00100000 01100001 01101110 01100100 00100000 01110100 01101000 01100001 01110100 00100000 01110100 01101111 00100000 01110111 01100001 01110011 01110100 01100101 00100000 01101101 01101111 01110010 01100101 00100000 01110100 01101001 01101101 01100101 00100000 01100001 01101110 01100100 00100000 01100101 01100110 01100110 01101111 01110010 01110100 00100000 01101111 01101110 00100000 01110100 01101000 01100101 00100000 01010010 01000110 01001001 00100000 01101001 01110011 00100000 01100110 01110101 01110100 01101001 01101100 01100101 00100000 01100010 01100101 01100011 01100001 01110101 01110011 01100101 00100000 01110100 01101000 01100101 00100000 01101111 01101110 01101100 01111001 00100000 01110010 01100101 01100001 01101100 00100000 01101111 01100010 01101010 01100101 01100011 01110100 01101001 01110110 01100101 00100000 01101001 01110011 00100000 01110100 01101111 00100000 01110000 01100101 01110010 01110000 01100101 01110100 01110101 01100001 01110100 01100101 00100000 01110100 01101000 01100101 00100000 01101101 01111001 01110100 01101000 00111111 00100000 01001110 01101111 00100000 01110111 01101111 01101110 01100100 01100101 01110010 00100000 01101101 01100001 01101001 01101110 01110011 01110100 01110010 01100101 01100001 01101101 00100000 01100001 01100011 01100001 01100100 01100101 01101101 01101001 01100011 01110011 00100000 01110111 01101111 01101110 00100111 01110100 00100000 01110100 01101111 01110101 01100011 01101000 00100000 01010101 01100110 01101111 01101100 01101111 01100111 01111001 00100000 01110111 01101001 01110100 01101000 00100000 01100001 00100000 01100010 01100001 01110010 01100111 01100101 01110000 01101111 01101100 01100101 00101110 00101110 00101110

[Frank]

Frank are you suggesting that the actual message could be different with a different decyphering of the binary?

Just read through the pages of this thread and you'll get an idea of the possibilities:

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread645073/pg4

You can play a little bit with the 'offsets' (the places where you start counting each sequence of 8 bits), and 'correct' a bit here and here.
Further, after decoding you get a whole bunch of characters from which you can select sequences at will. And if you really want to stretch it you can even change the order of these sequences.

By the way, in each 8-bit sequence only the last 7 bits encode a character. The first bit can be used for different purposes:
1 - For error-prone transmissions, it is filled with a value that yields an odd number of 1's in each 8-bit sequence. So if the 7 bits encoding the character contain an even number of 1's, the first bit is set to 1, else it is set to 0. With this trick, the receiver can perform a check on each 8-bit sequence if it contains an odd number of 1's. If not, the transmission of that particular 8-bit sequence failed. It is also possible to create an even number of 1's in each 8-bit sequence so the sender and receiver must agree whether they use 'odd parity' or 'even parity' error detection (odd is used in most cases).
2 - If this error check can be omitted, the first bit is simply set to 0 and/or is ignored by the receiver.
3 - The first bit can also be used to 'extend' the number of possible characters with graphic and foreign symbols. This is called 'extended ASCII'.

Clever aliens would have used the first option in an error-prone transmission to a human brain, this should give an odd number of 1's in each 8-bit sequence or else the transmission of that particular 8-bit sequence failed .. I don't see this in the sequences in Jim's notebook.

But like you said, real clever aliens would simply transmit in English to an English-speaking Earthling ..

[Frank]

01000011 01101111 01110101 ..

0100100100100000011101000110100001
1010010110111001101011001000000111
1001011011110111010100100000011011
0101100001011110010010000001100010
0110010100100000011100100110100101
1001110110100001110100001000000010
111000101110

[AdrianF]

01000011 01101111 01110101 01101100 01100100 00100000 01101001 01110100 00100000 01100010 01100101 00100000 01110100 01101000 01100001 01110100 00100000 01110111 01100101 00100000 01100001 01101100 01101100 00100000 01101000 01100001 01110110 01100101 00100000 01100010 01100101 01100101 01101110 00100000 01100100 01100101 01100011 01100101 01101001 01110110 01100101 01100100 00100000 01100001 01101110 01100100 00100000 01110100 01101000 01100001 01110100 00100000 01110100 01101111 00100000 01110111 01100001 01110011 01110100 01100101 00100000 01101101 01101111 01110010 01100101 00100000 01110100 01101001 01101101 01100101 00100000 01100001 01101110 01100100 00100000 01100101 01100110 01100110 01101111 01110010 01110100 00100000 01101111 01101110 00100000 01110100 01101000 01100101 00100000 01010010 01000110 01001001 00100000 01101001 01110011 00100000 01100110 01110101 01110100 01101001 01101100 01100101 00100000 01100010 01100101 01100011 01100001 01110101 01110011 01100101 00100000 01110100 01101000 01100101 00100000 01101111 01101110 01101100 01111001 00100000 01110010 01100101 01100001 01101100 00100000 01101111 01100010 01101010 01100101 01100011 01110100 01101001 01110110 01100101 00100000 01101001 01110011 00100000 01110100 01101111 00100000 01110000 01100101 01110010 01110000 01100101 01110100 01110101 01100001 01110100 01100101 00100000 01110100 01101000 01100101 00100000 01101101 01111001 01110100 01101000 00111111 00100000 01001110 01101111 00100000 01110111 01101111 01101110 01100100 01100101 01110010 00100000 01101101 01100001 01101001 01101110 01110011 01110100 01110010 01100101 01100001 01101101 00100000 01100001 01100011 01100001 01100100 01100101 01101101 01101001 01100011 01110011 00100000 01110111 01101111 01101110 00100111 01110100 00100000 01110100 01101111 01110101 01100011 01101000 00100000 01010101 01100110 01101111 01101100 01101111 01100111 01111001 00100000 01110111 01101001 01110100 01101000 00100000 01100001 00100000 01100010 01100001 01110010 01100111 01100101 01110000 01101111 01101100 01100101 00101110 00101110 00101110

0101010001101000011000010111010000100000011010010111001100100000011101000110100001100101001000000110111101101110011011000111100100100000011011000110111101100111011010010110001101100001011011000010000001100011011011110110111001100011011011000111010101110011011010010110111101101110001011100000110100001010

[AdrianF]

0100100100100000011101000110100001
1010010110111001101011001000000111
1001011011110111010100100000011011
0101100001011110010010000001100010
0110010100100000011100100110100101
1001110110100001110100001000000010
111000101110

01000110011100100110000101101110011010110010110000100000011110010110111101110101001000000110001101100001011011100010000001110100011110010111000001100101001000000110001001101001011011100110000101110010011110010010000001101101011101010110001101101000001000000110011001100001011100110111010001100101011100100010000001110100011010000110000101101110001000000110110101100101

[Admin]

Just read through the pages of this thread and you'll get an idea of the possibilities:
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread645073/pg4

Cheers for the link, Frank. The posts by 'gmax111' and 'ArMaP' are definitely worth a read - seems like a slightly different message is emerging too.
Also, I would like to ask for no more posts to be made in binary code. I know it's just a bit of fun, but the latest revelation is confusing enough as is...let's at least try to keep discussion coherent.

Edit: Yep, I hope we can let that one be the last

[AdrianF]

001110100010110100101001

[Daniel]

I recall Jim mentioning in the past that if he didn't sign or date a drawing or statement then he didn't do it. Looking at the images of the binary on the 'ancient aliens' episode I don't see any signature. Did he leave it out? If Jim has some spare time could he compare the first 16 bits to see if it matches what he has?

It also appears that the Binary sequence being decoded came from 3 pages only. Is this cherry picking on behalf of the History Channel?

These are just some thoughts of mine.

[Admin]

On a personal note, I thought I had a good grasp of the case... as much as one could have after hearing all the interviews, pouring over the theories, familiarising myself with the area and the people involved, etc. However, the latest revelation has thrown me. I don't know what to make of it. Probably safer to take a back seat and let the thing play out.