further thoughts on Rendlesham Forest [later access shafts]

[Observer]

Robert
From what i remember Ralph Noyes passed away but not sure when. Nick Pope is your best port of call.
As for making a movie, great, it desrves it, Spielberg springs to mind.
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[robert]

Apparently this is what Nick Redfearn had to say about it.

Robert


'I’m hardly the biggest fan of UFO fiction; but, occasionally, a novel on the subject will come along that really catches my eye. Such was the case with the late Ralph Noyes’s A Secret Property of 1985. Written by a former employee of the British Ministry of Defense, the book tells in fictional format a thinly-veiled account of the notorious UFO landing at Rendlesham Forest, England in December 1980. Part sci-fi, part thriller - and, according to some, the truth told in fiction that Noyes was unable to reveal in a non-fiction format - A Secret Property makes for thought-provoking reading.'

[Observer]

Robert
See if you can get hold of a copy, second hand probably. Try Amazon.
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[puddlepirate]

Re D / DA notices...in 1980 things were not as they are now, some 28 years later. The Cold War was at its height and in Dec 80 things were getting decidely hot, to say the least. I believe Exercise Able Archer a couple of years later (in 83 I think) was the closest we ever came to an all out war with the Soviets. Consequently a cosy chat over lunch where the MoD might have suggested to a Fleet Street editor that he should '...consider doing the decent thing, old boy..matter of defence and all that. Don't want the other side to know everything now, do we? There's a good chap' was almost certainly not an option. A 'D' notice was issued and that was that. Today of course, nobody in the media gives a hoot about national security (apart from those actually involved at the sharp end in Iraq and anywhere ending is 'stan), least of all about the defence of the realm. Circulation and associated advertising revenues are all that matter -and who gives a toss who the enemy is just as long as she's got big boobs.....

[Observer]

Robert
Did Nick Redfearn reveal the 'punch line' to that book or can we ask Nick himself. This is if you fail to get a copy. I'm surprised that Nick has not offered up any juicy snippets to this forum. However, with the greatest respect to NR he does hover on the fringes of the alien visitation camp in the UFO world which comes accross when he is interviewed.
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[robert]

http://lakenheath.mysite.wanadoo-member ... int-89.htm
An Interview May 1989 with David Carke Re Ralph Noyes not specifically about Rendlesham.


Obs,
Link Below is Nick Redfern talking about the Ralph Noyes Novel
http://www.ufomystic.com/the-redfern-fi ... hands-down.
(Also I will see what the content of the book is about)

Puddle,
I see the point about the D notice but I've still got this Old Boy's act in my mind re CND and the Nuclear sensitivity. Admittedly it's only a gut feeling!
Plus if Tim Good is at all on the Button and if a UFO is classed Above Top secret I don't think they would want to advertise that fact by drawing attention to it with a D notice which is why I'm back to the cosy lunch at the Savoy.

Probably seen 'Tinker, Taylor, Soldier, Spy' too many times!

Cheers
Robert

[IanR]

does anyone know this person who seems to have done some initial investigating of RFI

And written three books about it, from what she says on DigitalSpy. So none other than Jenny ("Christopher") Randles
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jenny_Randles

Ian

[robert]

Thanks very much for the info. Ian R,

Pseudonyms don't help sometimes!

Did you get to know Ralph Noyes as did David Clarke?

Was he a similar character to Nick Pope and did he and Nick Pope ever come across each other before his demise.

He seemed to me to be a more proactive investigator and more than willing to risk putting his head in the Lion's mouth than some!

Robert

[robert]

Robert
See if you can get hold of a copy, second hand probably. Try Amazon.
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New York Times Review
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.h ... gewanted=2
If John le Carre wrote science fiction with a supernatural flavor, he would, I suspect, write something like A SECRET PROPERTY (Quartet Books). The man who did write this superb entertainment is Ralph Noyes, a retired British civil servant (Air Ministry and Ministry of Defense) whose official duties, as the book jacket notes, ''brought him in touch with the UFO problem.'' Mr. Noyes juggles multiple plot-lines and points of view with utter control. In telling the story of an arms race among the superpowers in which the arms are psychic weapons, he knows when to keep a secret and when to tell us what we are dying to know (while cagily holding back something else).

Comment
As suggested by Nick Redfern a fictional and 'thinly veiled account of Rendlesham'.
The interesting thing is the mention of psychic weapons.
I will have to get the book!

Robert

[larry warren]

Steve Laplume is NOT steve roberts.......................
and i saw SL often after the AF , he was even at my first wedding.
even did some crazy MC runs to RI, one crazy mofo in his younger days! but great guy.
he is defo not SR, and only spoke about his ufo stuff on woodbridge after i went public caus i
asked him to, he and an other air man experianced missing time aswell, that should piss some folks off EH!

[robert]

Hi Larry

Ta for clearing up the the SR and SL distinction for us.

Probably a hard question to answer cause it's missing! but can you guestimate the amount of missing time you guys had?

Was it only say 10 minutes or so or was it a long period of time you are talking about?

Cheers

Robert

[robert]

Apart from the much talked about General Gabriel who was in charge of the European Theatre of Operations there was also his Superior in the US who is worth a mention and apparently an unusual appointment as Chief of Staff, USAF 1978-1982.
Look at his early exploits!

General Lew Allen, Jr

1957 to December 1961, General Allen was assigned to Kirtland Air Force Base, New Mexico, as science adviser to the Physics Division of the Air Force Special Weapons Center. He specialized in the military effects of high altitude nuclear explosions and participated in several weapon test series. He was scientific director of a major experiment that utilized a large series of high altitude rockets to measure the characteristics of electrons trapped in the geomagnetic field after an exoatmospheric nuclear burst.

General Allen was appointed in March 1973 as deputy to the Director of Central Intelligence for the Intelligence Community in Washington, D.C. In August 1973, he became director, National Security Agency and chief, Director of the National Security Agency.1977
Central Security Service at Fort George G. Meade, Maryland. Allen's tenure as NSA director was noteworthy in that he became the first NSA director to ever testify publicly before Congress.[1]

In August 1977, he was named commander of Air Force Systems Command.
Allen served as the vice chief of staff, U.S. Air Force from April 1978 until he became Chief of Staff of the United States Air Force in July 1978-. (To 1982). His nomination was unusual in that he had never served an overseas or a combat assignment, and most of his positions were in highly specialized activities rather than in the usual command structure of the Air Force.
Following retirement from the Air Force in 1982, he became the Director of Jet Propulsion Laboratory, during the Voyager program, serving in that capacity until 1990

[robert]

Another major player at the time. SECAF.
Have heard a rumour that the boys from SECAF flew in on the special Flight that Colonel Halt talked about (although I don't think Halt speculated about who was in the Plane)

Robert

Hans Mark

SECAF (The Secretary Of The Airforce)

Hans Michael Mark (born June 17, 1929) is a former Secretary of the Air Force and a former Deputy Administrator of NASA. He is an expert and consultant in aerospace design and national defense policy. Mark is currently working in the Department of Aerospace Engineering and Engineering Mechanics at the University of Texas at Austin
In February 1969, he became director of NASA's Ames Research Center, located in Mountain View, California. In this role, he managed the center's research and applications efforts in aeronautics, space science, life science and space technology.
He subsequently served as Undersecretary of the Air Force from 1977 until July 1979, when he was promoted to Secretary of the Air Force. He remained as this position until 1981, when he was appointed Deputy Administrator of NASA by President Reagan, a position he served in from July 10, 1981 to September 1, 1984

[Observer]

If true that the SEC himself flew in must tell us that whatever happened in RF was of the upmost importance/seriousness and required his level of authority. I also suspect the Reagan sent him. However, until verified, it must remain as conjecture.
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[puddlepirate]

Does Agent 15 ring any bells with anyone who served at the twin bases? Possibly in transit to Iraq?

[John Burroughs]

Also take a look at General Williams assignments after Bentawters. And speaking about Kirkland that is where I first saw a light show that would blow your socks off ie star wars!!

[Observer]

That's interesting John as i believe Kirkland was home to an ARRS Sqd?
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[Observer]

John, forgot to say, could you describe the 'light show' you saw at Kirkland.
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