my theory

[bodhisattva]

I'll keep it simple. not trying to step on any toes, just my take on this. this has probably been covered, I apologize for not finding it in a search.

To me it seems there are 2 distinct crafts spotted and described.

The triangular craft is the prey or being hunted.

The red eye is a probe searching for where this other has been tracked to last.

I am interested in UFO's as I have seen 2 over lake erie in 2007 and seeing means wanting answers, so I observe data that seems credible. Sorry for being new and just posting out of the blue. Again I don't mean to offend anyone.

[larry warren]

hey, a steely dan man, !
im just back on line, so its good to see some new folks on board
i like your theory, and its as good as any, as you know, when you see
a ufo, as you have,you realize anything is possible!
hey, i swam in lake erie back in 73, and i can still tast the mercury!
i hear that the lake has been cleaned up, beautiful place, goodnews.
remember bro, if you dont piss someone off with your views,
you might as well remain silent.
cheers
Larry Warren

[bodhisattva]

hey thanks. that is a cool song but didn't influence my screen name. I believe it was more of a Kerouac influence. anyways, thanks for responding.

I just try to approach the facts with logic. Not logic to dispel, but assuming everything is legitimately reported, just logic as to what was seen.

I really like the symbols that were drawn, said to be on the side of the triangular ship.

One is very close to the shape of man. One looks very much like a giraffe. Others, that seem to be on the original sketches, not the smoothed out versions, seem to be smaller animals, perhaps one is even a swan. When I look at the symbol with the triangle inside of the circle, with the two balls I see a distinct message that the ship is multidimensional, with its mission to explore this planet or planets in this dimension, "the circle", and they come from the inter-dimension, the triangle.

Again I am sure this has probably been said before as this is a really old case. I'm just giving my take on it based on my little bit of observation on various UFO shows and websites.

and yeah, Lake Erie is nicer then it used to be, but I think they still have warnings about not eating too many fish from it in a short period of time due to the mercury. locally alot of UFO's have been seen and filmed over the lake. I tend to believe they are also USO as we have stories going way back from fishermen seeing them rise out of the water and take off.

[larry warren]

hay man,
let me take a guess on this one.
are you a high school or colledge kid?
just get that impression, aint no bad thang, cause we need to get the youngins on board!
and it isint an old case, it is THE case! you wipersnapper.
and who you callin old!
just messin.
later, larry

[bodhisattva]

neither. although I don't think I am as old as you bud.

you know of course was just using "old" as a reference to the amount of time since it happened and the amount of random theories or speculation that has poured out of on lookers who weren't there.

just as its easy for debunkers to sit back and say how they think it happened, its just as easy for anyone who wants to believe set standards to start adding their take, like I did.

I've watched a few of the aired documentaries about this incident. You seem sincere Larry but at the same time the confusion you experienced after the fact seems indicative of you being drugged, hypnotized, with thoughts/ideas about what you saw planted in your head to discredit yourself and others involved.

I mean no disrespect, you seem wholeheartedly truthful about what ended up in your head.

I don't understand why these officials would show anyone footage of everything the military has done in regards to UFO/alien encounters, only to then tell them "but what you saw was a lighthouse" to the point of threatening that. Couldn't these threats and cover stories be made without divulging the illustrious history?

To me it seems everyone has been set in or unknowingly engineered to work against each other, to discredit each other and the circumstances surrounding this event. Over the long run this will likely get you guys nowhere. I would try to put less focus on the inconsistencies, write them off as planted disinformation, or chalk it up to unexplained circumstances surrounding the perception of the events. Stick to the facts that are consistent, come together under that umbrella, and make your point as united front.

Otherwise you'll just end up bickering about how you perceived it differently, giving credence to debunkers or people who get lost in the confusion of the event, who may go so far as to say certain members are lying or spreading disinfo. Everyone needs to learn to respect each others different takes on the situation, leaving room for how our minds see X situation under different variables or stresses you may have been under.

It's sort of like the spinning ballerina that will show left or right brain function : http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/right- ... 1114603615 you can sit in a room with someone else who will see it going the complete opposite direction that you see it going. Perception and how our mind becomes bent by electro magnetic forces is the key to understanding why we experience situations differently.

If you can band together as united front that "this happened", where you truly have left behind doubts you may have about each other, or fears that someone is subverting your story you can indeed all take this to another level. But as long as they have dissension among your ranks you'll continue to be on the edge, mocked by the media or your peers until you break down mentally, physically, emotionally.

Again, I don't mean to offend ANYONE here. I am just observing and to be honest I have not delved extremely deep into this as I think its a mountain of information to digest. I am just looking at the surface stories and how certain aspects seem to have been put into place following the events to paint a picture of your mental state to show that some of you may be somewhat delusional, when we all know you guys were in good state of minds prior to this occurring.

And as I've said before, the only reason I investigate these stories is I have seen two UFO's from a semi-close range one evening and I know what I saw was real, which opened a door for me to realize that what many others are seeing is real and cannot be discounted.

[larry warren]

Bro, were have you been all these years?
we need more heads like yours..........................................................
get more BAD yankees on board, caus im sick of this brit state of mind!
L@R
larry

[Sacha Christie]

Oy.. Larry you old fart.. less of the remarks about brit states of mind if you don't mind!! The ones who've really got it in for you are state side buster!!!

Boddybodbod... Excellent points... and they are excellent 'cos they are bang on the money. Et lovers shunning any rational thoughts as well as non believers shunning ET thoughts.. he said, she said, ooh she said, ah he said.. ooh she said... never! he said... is what gets the pot boiling and everyone wetting their knickers....

You wanna know my theory?

CONCLUSION OF ANALYSIS OF EVIDENCE: It was a weather balloon full of swamp gas that hit a spontaneously occuring plasma ball causing an explosion which set fire to a passing truck of shit. The sheer randomness and velocity of the collision created the perfect conditions for quantum entanglement to occur careering into the lighthouse causing it to pogo wildly through the forest.... The beam caused mass hallucinations and also made the remnants of the balloon to 'appear' to emit blue spheres, change shape, size, colour, direction and flash with lights over several locations in the forest. In actual fact what appeared to be flashing lights was simply the light reflecting off the remnants of silver material from the balloon. What appeared to be blue spheres of intelligent life were just remnants of balsa wood used in construction of the balloon. Their appearance was down to an optical illusion caused by atmospheric conditions as the debris started to lose altitude. The rapid disintegration of the debris only further served to make it seem as if a solid object vanished into the distance in the trees.

See... there's always a simple logical explanation for everything!

Sorry Laz.. am I not being serious enough....

Hahahahahaha!!! Mwuah!
If only someone had asked me 29 years ago I could have settled this matter once and for all.

[John Burroughs]

Bodhisattva
Your right about trying to stick together but trying to do that is allmost impossible! Jim and I were standing right next to each other and what we remember happening is totally different!

He only remembers 2 of us being there but there were 3! Also there seems to be some missing time where they lost radio contact with us for up to 45 min!

The interesting thing is under Hypnois Jim and I seem to be closer on what happened! Also when I met up with Halt it comes out under Hypnois that he had Telepathic contact with them!

Does not mean what we encounter was ailiens or could it have been our own government conducting test on us! Or could it have been our government conducting test which caused somthing from the furture to pop in!

I posted somthing awhile back on a scientist who claimed to be working on time travel for the Air Force! Well guess what he is the real deal he has been found and is working on Government contracts in New Mexico! Could that what happened to us?

Not sure but what it means to me is the we all should unite together and force are 2 governments to come clean on what they truely know!

I truely beleive if enough people would work together and write there government and also find a good investigative reporter to look into this we could make somthing happen! When CNN did there piece it was the highest rated special assignment ever done! And that was before Halt was willing to talk!

We have a highly decorated USAF Col now saying he saw somthing outside a Air Force Base in the UK that was ET in nature and nothing more has been done!!

One more interesting note is when I contacted the OSI guy who lives in England he stated the US government would still have on File the Incident Reports and Blotters from the incident!

[bodhisattva]

Hi John

I don't doubt time travel theories and I also have no doubt that entities telepathically fed you images as brainwaves making all of your perceived experiences different and also the government/military officials after the fact worked with hypnotic suggestion to alter your memories. All this to keep even yourselves questioning what you saw, in what sequence, and who you were with.

Some aspects of these may always remain a mystery, like the discrepancies, head counts on who was where when, and the reasons behind the cover up.

What isn't a mystery is that this happened, everyone saw things a little differently or felt things a little differently, which I feel is par for the course for this type of event. It's not like we are dealing with sightings of conventional weaponry or airships where 9 times out of 10 trained individuals are going to relay the same reports.

What I think everyone involved can agree on is that something out of this time, with technology far more advanced than we can explain, touched down and put on an air show for you, with many of you having direct encounters or contact with it.

Since you guys were military issue you had been trained to approach things a certain way. It all has to be very matter of fact. But this type of situation is far from something that can be explained straightforward. This goes against the boundaries of reality that we have all learned to accept.

I think the "future band-aid's" theory is interesting as changes to the past would need to be subtle. If you think of something going back in time changing the slightest details as not to adversely effect the future, but to possibly help a species stick around longer, a resource last longer, then in that way I could understand beings needing to travel through time to slightly alter the course of history. (this is a little out there, sci-fi conjecture on my behalf) At the same time if physical crafts or time machines can rip through time and space there may be repercussions or reasons why others do not want them to do this. Perhaps there are even beings that police things of that nature, which knew instantly that the triangular craft did this just by reading the history books, leading them to return around the same time looking for possible clues. Again I am just theorizing based on others theories or the chain of events.

Essentially though this whole matter can be broken down to "We saw somewhat different craft over a period of several days. Each individuals perception of these events due to extraordinary circumstances slightly differs, which is exactly what happens when civilians make contact or are abducted." Just because you guys were military you shouldn't be held to the standard that you are supposed to be able to understand these situations, to make sense, and make cohesive reports. You are human like everyone else here and subject to the same mental outlook and shortcomings when dealing with supernatural or paranormal events. There are things we aren't made to understand and no matter how hard we try to wrap our minds around it everything ends up twisted with our minds bent, which makes it even harder to corroborate stories.

Ultimately these are personal issues everyone has to work through, the confusion, the questions, the lack of support from your peers, and the deception that seems to filter down from above, the higher ranks. Focus inward on why you were there in the first place. Maybe after 30 years those involved can begin to embrace one another more, even where the stories do not mesh. Personally I feel that when some healing has begun amongst those involved, without bickering or name calling, debunking or fear of motives, getting together in the same rooms the healing will happen.

Thanks for reading. I hate to sound like I know it all, as I don't. I am just conveying thoughts about this and those involved. Everyone seems sincere about their experiences and I think in the end everyone is just as wrong as much as they are right and the real sequence of events is somewhere in between the lines.

[John Burroughs]

Wow that was well written! What do you do for a living?

[bodhisattva]

Thanks. I do mostly web hosting, server maintenance. Some volunteer work helping with some websites I enjoy. I used to work in commercial roofing for over a decade but eventually managed to get indoors and self employed.

[John Burroughs]

Very interesting! What you wrote is what I have been trying to put into words over the years! I feel that many others who were involved in the incident may also have the same feelings Would you be willing to post on my blog page a statement saying the same thing you have written here? John

[Daniel]

I've been following the time-travel theory for a little while and was glad to see John also believes in something similar.

From time to time I would try to think of scenarios behind the visitations at Rendlesham forest. One scenario comes from something I remember Lt.Col Halt mentioning in his recordings, regarding lights beaming down over Raf Woodbridge. What if these visitors were looking for something, maybe trying to recover something that was lost from a prior incident, for example Roswell.

My scenario is a bit off now since I haven't followed the Rendleshame Forest incident news since 2003. In my scenario I had the visitors become aware of the item they were looking for was located on Raf Woodbridge around December 1980. Since they wouldn't fully know where it may be located, they would have to attract enough attention to remain out of sight and yet still attract someone who may know some information on what they're looking for.

So on the first night the visitors would attract Security Police attention at a remote location. Then speak with them to see if they knew anything about any strange items required guarding. Since they couldn't find what they were looking for they tried again the second night, this time to see Lt.Col Halt knew of anything. Not being able to get any information from Lt.Col Halt, the vistors scan various locations of the base, no longer worried about attracting attention, to see if they could find it.

Another thing I thought about in the past, was whether the first incident was totally different to the second, with the second incident following a similar scenario as above.

Thought I would share my ideas as bodhisattva brought up an interesting theory, and also to John and other witnesses of the incident, who've shared what they know.

[John Burroughs]

Dan 92
Please understand I'm not saying it was time travelers for sure! All I'm saying is that's what came out under Hypnosis! As far as your therory goes its as good as any! I do feel we all need to get together and try and work our differances out that why I suggested a reunion! I also strongley feel we have not been told the truth about what happened to us! And with all of the interest this Incident has drawen I feel that we could use the people of both Countries involved help in forcing our government to come clean on what happened!

[Daniel]

Dan 92
Please understand I'm not saying it was time travelers for sure! All I'm saying is that's what came out under Hypnosis!...

Thanks for correcting me John. I shouldn't jump to conclusions.

A reunion would no doubt help piece together a large chunk of accurate information. Sometimes I wonder if there are others who've experienced missing time and don't know about it, or don't wish to know about it.

The MOD will probably be less helpful now after releasing documents on the subject of UFOs. Sadly we all know we're seeing just the tip of the iceberg.

[John Burroughs]

Times are changing and its trueley amazing what the power of the people can do if they get behind somthing

[bodhisattva]

Very interesting! What you wrote is what I have been trying to put into words over the years! I feel that many others who were involved in the incident may also have the same feelings Would you be willing to post on my blog page a statement saying the same thing you have written here? John

sure John, I will give it a go later this evening when it quiets down a bit here at home.

[Sacha Christie]

Fantastic posts guys.... I've been delving into the time travel aspect for a few months. There are studies being conducted into this technology in all areas of science, especially the military. There are many reasons why I have held onto this one longer than any of the other theories and possibilities that have been presented.

For one.. why don't they interact with us? People say they talk to them, have been shown videos of the earth blowing up.. they tell us to love one another etc etc.. This may be true, I have no idea... My point is that if they were here for our benefit then they would have a more hands on approach....The fact that they do not interact tells me that things would change dramatically. If they are from the future then they couldn't possibly make contact because it would change the entire course of future history to one which neither earths future beings nor ourselves in this time would be able to predict.

It explains why they would be collecting samples of plant, seeds, genetic material... even people and animals possibly... Not even going to speculate there... there do seem to be rather a lot of both vanishing... However... If they don't look anything like us then something catastrophic happens in the future which alters they way we look over time. IF there was for example a massive nuclear accident/war then the earth would be sterile in most places for thousands of years. They could be here repopulating future earth with everything that died in the catastrophe.... creating a 'garden of Eden'... I'm not a religious person but I'm not so ignorant that I can't see the parallels with these things... The bible spells it out.. and although some would say that it's self fulfilling prophesies I'm not entirely convinced. History does have a habit of repeating itself and over the four billion years that this planet has been in existence...ANYTHING could have happened...

I wonder about how acceptable it is now to believe in the ufo ET theory... it's almost becoming a cultural belief.. a new religion per se.... What if the ET hypothesis is the diversion? If we consider that they are repopulating the future, not interacting with us etc... What is it that happens and why are the governments so determined to keep it under wraps?

2009 had the highest amount of sightings reported than any other year.. I can tell you that only 10% of sightings can be attributed to balloons... the rest who knows.. we do know that usually 90 to 95% are not anomalous, leaving 5 to 10% unexplainable. Considering the present political climate and the fact that for nigh on 40 years the west has battered the east relentlessly... 1990/1 Iraq.. 2001.. Afghanistan.. Now we're steaming into Yemen.. surrounding Iran by 2010.... It's like they've been conducting a grid search! That's another topic though... The fact is, we are scarily close to a nuclear incident.. This could explain the increased numbers of ufos seen... If there is something in that area that facilitates travel through time then.. I know it sounds ridiculous.. but some kind of stargate for want of a better word... they wouldn't be able to come back even if we did blow ourselves to shit... Maybe they're in a hurry to get what they need. Maybe Rendlesham could have been a catastrophe of these proportions they came back to stop. I don't know about anyone else but it makes me feel nervous... If this IS the case then we're heading into some serious trouble, maybe the end of things as we know them.

Of course any technology of this kind would be wanted by our military. Epoch 1 has started.. by Epoch 4 there will be DEW in space. They've pulled out of the 1967 space treaty and have been receiving advice from the senate on how to manipulate the admiralty laws to justify putting weapons in space. They've already classified as top secret any objects entering earths atmosphere... The weapons they have and are planning seem strange... the ways they are scanning space.. on all light spectrum's and frequencies of sound.. space mines...???! also rockets that cause clouds in space which actually cast shadows. Satellites that scan densities and heights of clouds using INFRARED... Seems like they are looking for something they can't see by any usual means. Then if we consider the fact we have switched from analogue transmissions which transmit throughout space forever to digital which is almost silent says they're trying to hide us and look for something.

All the talk of a false flag alien invasion smacks to me of another diversion.. What if that became common belief too? How would we react then if there were a sky full of unknown structured craft? We'd think it was the military trying to keep us in another state of fear.. The fact that the US will have the ability to control all other space hardware and deny the UK the use of their equipment which lets face it we've grown quite accustomed to using.. We HAVE to tow the USA line otherwise we're screwed too. This is what the joint space directive for the USSFC... United States Space force Command... This is why there have been massive defense cuts in the UK.. training cadets virtually while they pull all other forces into line with the SFC. Great innit? Join the Army, Navy or RAF and play X box!!!

Lets face it.. If we are traveling through space and we go back far enough in time, when we get back to a point in time, the earth will no longer be at the same point... It will have moved... So their craft would have to be able to travel through both time AND space.

As it has already been noted in earlier posts.. something happened.. it happened to you all.. all the bickering about who said what etc really is a distraction from what did happen. In any event.. you can have any amount of witnesses who saw exactly the same thing yet on recounting there will be differences in the statements but whatever happened... still happened.

I've got nothing but utmost respect for anyone who stands in the face of it all this and doesn't buckle.

[winkeech]

Hi Guys ... and Sacha,
The whole time/quantum access technology is a very interesting one. At the risk of sounding barking mad, localised non-linear time effects would explain many of the details of the various narratives - and even observed effects.

I recently looked into this chap's disclosure story from the point of view of the claimed technology ... and it seems sound, even if a bit whacky to a non technical casual observer. I would heartily recommend listening to this 90min excerpt from a radio show he talked on http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2009/10oct/RIR-091018.php

Now the salient points from that to me are these: There were three technologies in development since the late 50's. By the sixties one version was in use, with large scale trials (140 children). Contrary to what he was told, it seems plain from studying the technology that children were used because it was infact their own dna that was the targeting and manifesting agent. They were limited to forward moves to the limit of the child's forward dna extrapolation i.e. lifespan, but backward moves could be acheived along the whole inherited mitochondrial dna line. (ok everyone is bored by now - I know, I'm a bit of a nerd at times ... someone has to be) It seems a third technology was perfected by the mid seventies but was very much a point to point system, requiring infrastructure at each end. Then curiously (in the 39 part interview by mr Basiago on youtube) he mentions that he 'later' was sent as a test subject to Montauk.
This would imply that Montauk was a newer and less defined quantum access technology. More importantly it used a Sage radar system at Montauk Point. This could be relevant to the radar kit just up the road from the RFI?
Lastly, he mentions that the developmental systems hooked up with an established QA/teleport hub system in 2045. This would imply that it is a widespread technology in our near future, in the same way that we have a widespread air flight network here and now.
As the biggest problem in their trials seems to be losing test candidates somewhere/somewhen during transit and requiring equipment at the reception point ... maybe, just maybe you guys weren't witnessing an aircraft as such - more a portable, navigable, self contained terminus. This would be a highly sensitive thing - it would be made from parts available at the time/or an easily accessible time ... and it would cause alsorts of temporal/optical distortions if you were very close to it. Plus ... here's the clincher - if you happened to be stood where this thing was materialising, optically you would find yourself rather like a rabbit in the headlights - or in this case an energetic virtual optic fibre ... so you would be hit by a huge dose of the entangled photons used at the originating source ... which just happen to be predominently Ultra Violet, which would easily cause retinal damage. Seems Larry could be vindicated yet again. Note also that the jumpgate portal resembled a sheet of running water as you aproached it. This all seems very familiar?
Could be right, could be wrong - but it is certainly food for thought.
Best wishes, Win

[John Burroughs]

Ok go deeper what was in the area that could have caused that kind of effect? Jim and I both have had problems that came from being exposed to radition! Also it came out under both of our Hypnois that somthing from the furture had come back!