30 July - SSgt Monroe Nevels on Earthfiles

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July 30, 2010 Tuscola, Texas - For the past 30 years since December 1980, no one ever said there was a TOP SECRET investigation organized right after sunup on December 26th, by RAF Bentwaters Base Commander Col. Ted Conrad. That was the morning that Staff Sgt. James Penniston, Airman 1st Class John Burroughs and Airman Ed Cabansag encountered lights and a craft in Rendlesham Forest, England. There were rumors right from the beginning that “one of the men jumped up on a UFO or was taken up in a beam of light.” The airman allegedly taken was John Burroughs, but even he did not know until recently that Commander Ted Conrad was already getting men he trusted out into the forest to examine tripod indentations in the forest floor and burn marks on the trees – even before the famous December 28th night of Deputy Base Commander Lt. Col. Charles Halt. That’s when the famous audiocassette tape recording was made by Col. Halt out in the forest.

For several hours, some two dozen Air Force personnel reported moving, jumping lights; thin beams of light coming down to the ground; and even a multi-colored aerial craft on or above the farmer’s field.

One of the handpicked men in the TOP SECRET Base Commander’s investigation was Staff Sergeant Monroe Nevels, a photographer and Disaster Preparedness technician at RAF Bentwaters.

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Was that the original audiotape they took?

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In fact, I understand from John Burroughs about this woman that was on the internet, who claimed that in the background (of the Col. Halt audiotape) I was being brutally tortured. And that is not true! That is not true!!

[John Burroughs]

This was a very interesting interview! Take a close look at it because Monroe goes into the radition readings along with Linda. Also Note what he had to say about being brutally tortured!!

[Frank]

Lt. Englund told me that one of the airmen had been taken aboard the spacecraft (in Rendlesham Forest).

He was talking about what had happened at 3 AM on December 26th - can you talk about that?

Yes. He just basically went through and told me that Sgt. Jim Penniston and John Burroughs were involved. I do remember their names were mentioned and Lt. Englund said even to the point that someone had been abducted into the aircraft.

..does anyone know who was abducted the first night?

(It sounds a bit like John's experience on the third night, when he was taken up in some kind of beam)

[Daniel]

..does anyone know who was abducted the first night?

(It sounds a bit like John's experience on the third night, when he was taken up in some kind of beam)

Hello Frank, I think Lt. Englund may have been referring to John.

This was an interesting interview especially his experience of feeling an electrostatic buildup on the evening of the 26th(?). I just wonder if he had felt the sensation of everything around him moving slowly.

[Frank]

It could have been John, but John never mentions being abducted the first night in his Paracast interview.

I wonder if there is a connection with the drug induced interrogations. Maybe only persons that were abducted have been treated this way to get as much information from them as possible and/or to make them forget their experience.

Nevels was never debriefed very thoroughly, as if the things he learned were not new to the "UFO experts" in the army.

[lcdvasrm]

To me, a discovery is that it seems like the thing seen over the open field close to the farmhouse looked like what john had seen around 3 AM on December 26.
Until now, from the Halt's descriptions, I had to assume these were 2 very different things.
In addition, It is yet not clear to me if the bright light in the distance, that looked like an eye with a pupil, seen by Nevels and Halt is again the same object, but when seen from far away.
But the description made with falling molten metal made by Halt for the 'eye' and now by Nevels for the craft over the farmhouse leads also me to realize that it might again be the same thing they describe.
All this (including James Penniston testimony crossed with John testimony) gives me the impression that the same object had an appearance that depended on your distance to the object.

When it was quite far, it looked like a sort of eye with a pupil as described by Halt and Nevels
When seen quite close, looked like the CG by John Burrough and confirmed by Nevels.
When seen from extremely close, looked like the drawings by James Penniston.

Does that make sense ?

[Frank]

Yes, that makes a lot of sense to me

It all can be related to the thickness and intensity of a plasma layer surrounding the UFO and is explained in a book by Paul Hill on p66.
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_R._Hill)

"At night, when a witness must see the UFO by its own light, it follows that if the plasma is fully developed (saturated with ions) the plasma can completely obscure the UFO, for the critical distance is small(*). In the more general case where the UFO is operating at a lower radiation, the witness can see the UFO surface directly ahead, looking normal to the surface through the least amount of plasma. The light reflected from that surface reaches his eye. But when he looks for the outline, he must look obliguely through a greater thickness of plasma. The light from the edge will be partly or all absorbed, making the edge indistinct or invisible. This is why the witness says, "I'm sure the object was solid, but I couldn't see its shape." If the UFO radiation dies down as the witness watches, the entire UFO becomes visible because the actual plasma thickness becomes less than critical."

(*) The "critical distance" of a plasma is the distance through which light is able to pass the plasma before being completely absorbed and scattered by it. The light reflecting from a UFO surface must pass its plasma layer for the UFO to become visible. From the witness viewpoint, this layer is thinner when looking to the center of the UFO, so the (darker) UFO surface is just visible in the center and becomes obscured towards the edges.

Paul Hill also gives an explanation for the "molten metal" dripping from the surface. It is a very complicated mathematical excercise in gas dynamics (too much for me to comprehend), but it can be summarized as follows:
To prevent being burned by air friction, the UFO uses a diffuse repulsive forcefield around the entire surface to reduce the airdrag to almost zero (which also prevents a sonic boom). If this forcefield remains activated at very low speeds, its effect on the surrounding air is like a refrigerator: the surrounding air is cooled by an effect resembling decompression. This effect can be triggered by just a small breeze. The water in the air surrounding the UFO condensates and can be seen dripping from it. If these drops are illuminated by the surrounding plasma I can imagine that it looks like molten metal. But since it is just water, no traces will be left on the ground.

[Admin]

With the recent interview of SSgt Nevels, the first night has become much more complicated and seems to involve an airman that was abducted.

Yes, the latest 'twist'. I saw the word 'abducted' and instinctively began to warn that regressive hypnosis can be very misleading. However, there was no time for foul play - Englund spoke to Nevels within hours after the first event.

Bruce Englund really needs to come forward and speak out. He should be able to shed light on the second night of events too, as he was with Halt's group. Hopefully John Burroughs and the 'Justice for 81st...' group can find him.

Paul Hill also gives an explanation for the "molten metal" dripping from the surface. It is a very complicated mathematical excercise in gas dynamics (too much for me to comprehend), but it can be summarized as follows:
To prevent being burned by air friction, the UFO uses a diffuse repulsive forcefield around the entire surface to reduce the airdrag to almost zero (which also prevents a sonic boom). If this forcefield remains activated at very low speeds, its effect on the surrounding air is like a refrigerator: the surrounding air is cooled by an effect resembling decompression. This effect can be triggered by just a small breeze. The water in the air surrounding the UFO condensates and can be seen dripping from it. If these drops are illuminated by the surrounding plasma I can imagine that it looks like molten metal. But since it is just water, no traces will be left on the ground.

That's a very interesting theory. Do you recall Gary Collins? He encountered a UFO (possibly the UFO) near Rendlesham forest, which was described as triangular in shape and dripping like melting ice.

[stephan]

this reminds me of a video footage where an object is seen that seems to drip something:



I don't know about the authenticity of the vid though.

[Frank]

That's a very interesting theory. Do you recall Gary Collins? He encountered a UFO (possibly the UFO) near Rendlesham forest, which was described as triangular in shape and dripping like melting ice.

No I didn't know that story - wow, it seems like Paul Hill has hit the nail on the head here!

Yes, the latest 'twist'. I saw the word 'abducted' and instinctively began to warn that regressive hypnosis can be very misleading. However, there was no time for foul play - Englund spoke to Nevels within hours after the first event.

Talking about hypnotic regression: I just found this chilling video of John's hypnotic regression on the internet. At the end, when walking back, they do not remember how they got where they were and wonder if the craft has moved them there. This is where the abduction story could have come from. (What is also eerie: The hum and the ground shaking is in line with Paul Hill's propulsion theory - this man really was awesome..)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtGeauVK4ww

This must have been a very scary experience!


Some episodes of this regression sound like the short (20-25 min) abduction of John that took place during the third night and that is described by him between 1:04:10 and 1:06:10 in this paracast interview:
http://www.theparacast.com/podcasts/paracast_090621.mp3

John did not consciously remember anything about what happened to him in those 20-25 minutes, but he just seemed to have dissapeared according to Adrian Bustinza (who was with him).


In a UFO documentary made around the same period (1979), a woman tells about her abduction from a car and remembers some details about how the was pulled towards the craft. She, too, has no conscious memories about what happened to her and her friends during the abduction. Just like John, it took hypnotic regression to get some memories back, but as we all know hypnotic regression is not 100% reliable..

Just look at the fragment between 1:00:05 and 1:02:52. The introduction is by Dr. Jacques Vallée, a well-known ufologist.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7100303682843029418#

If what this woman describes is how it happened, "they" are way, way ahead of us in technology ..

[Frank]

The podcast of the interview with Ssgt Nevels is now available:

http://www.earthfiles333.com/earthfiles/audio/mp3/EarthFilesEpisode69_high.mp3