"Putting this to bed . . " - Questions for Jim and John

[tpreitzel]

I'm not familiar enough with the RFI at this time to ask a specific question, but I do want to ask a generalized one. Do any of the witnesses to the RFI consciously recall subsequent experiences of a paranormal nature?

Good luck, gentlemen, in your search for the truth regarding this incident.

[Daniel]

Hi Guys,

I would like to know if more Military Police were called to return to duty after the first night; and were any known to have guarded any facility, other than the WSA, that may have been out of the ordinary?

Did Major Malcolm Zickler take the situation seriously after the first night?

Cheers,

Daniel

PS: Thankyou for sharing some of your time with us.

[AdrianF]

I'd like to repost my question to Jim from the other thread as well as cherry pick a couple of others that were asked.

Re the photos

1. As far as you can recall, which type of film were you using ie, colour or black and white?
2. Were the photos processed by the domestic photo lab or were they processed by either public affairs or the photo units?
3. You mention in your statement from the NPC that the photos were retrieved and apparently over exposed. Did you see the exposed images and if so, do you still have copies of them?

Originally posted by Andrew Pike:
"2. Your radio relay with John and Ed eventually broke down and all radio contact was lost. How far was this from the object?"

Posted by Silvertop:
"In 2003 the BBC documentary Britain's Closest Encounter, filmed you describing the site closer to the end of Woody runway just across the road from Folly House. Did the TV crew film you there for logistical reasons, or is that where you believe your incident took place."

Again thanks in advance

BTW a big thanks to ST

[Noblem400]

Guys,

Has this incident had any impact on your religious views - if held?

Regards,

Noble.

[IanR]

Reposting two questions of mine from the other thread:

1. How long had you (Jim) been on base when the event occurred.

2. When did you produce this drawing that shows the triangular craft
http://www.rendlesham-incident.co.uk/im ... sketch.jpg

Thanks,
Ian

[Andrew Pike]

Reposting my four questions from other thread. Wording may vary because the system is not allowing a direct transfer from a locked thread, also any member interested in knowing why I ask will have to look at the other thread!

1. Jim, can you confirm/best estimate your distance from the lights when you first saw it was mechanical.

2. At what distance from the lights/craft did your radio link with John and Ed brake down?

3. When the link was lost, what did you hear on the radio? Was it hiss, cutting in and out, a total power lost so nothing heard, etc?

4. John heard a woman scream when the lights/craft took off. Did you, Jim, hear anything strange at all along those lines, or knew anybody else who did (whether with your encounter or other nights)?

Once again, many thanks for you time.


Andrew

[puddlepirate]

I fully expect this to stir up another hornet's nest but nevertheless....

Jim, in your answer to my previous question you stated that:

The most important fact about gathering the facts that night. Is that all we did is gather facts, determined the threat level, and then reported the information to higher authority. We make no conjecture, no what if scenarios, we only report observation and facts. That was the extent of our duties that night. Unlike civilians and other untrained personnel wanting to make things fanciful or embellish to fit there needs

You also emphasised the commitment and dedication of LE/SP personnel - which is most certainly beyond doubt.

Given the above to be true, what mystifies me is how your own and JB's stories have changed so much from your original statements. As trained observers, surely the facts of what you witnessed would not change. What you saw is what you saw and the facts of that sighting would be the same no matter how many times the story was told or the length of the interval between each telling.

I do a bit of research work for BUFORA and those who report strange sightings tend never to change their story. It stays the same, no matter what and the majority of those making such reports are not trained observers.

I mentioned before the differences between the military and civilian standpoints and the need for the military to take into account many other factors that are of no interest to a civilian. What seems to be coming out of this is that perhaps you and your colleagues were influenced by the command in some way, that they 'requested' you change your stories for whatever reason. I want to make it absolutely crystal clear that I am NOT implying that anyone is lying. There is a vast difference between being ordered to do something and simply making something up.

Comment?

[John Burroughs]

Puddlepirate
I would like you to follow up with 5 -10 example's on each person on how there story has changed. Also a witness statement is done so that if your ever called into court you can use it as a referance to what happened! Your not required to put everyday detail in it or expanded on every detail. Your not be questioned just asked to do a summary on what happened!!

[puddlepirate]

JB

I don't have to. One of the biggest problems with the RFI is the way the statements have changed over time. Simply compare some of the statements available on this site with what is being said now. Obviously I cannot speak for anyone else but I am pretty sure I am not the only researcher who has expressed concern over this. As for going to court - well, if a witness changes their statement more than once then that witness loses credibility and many a case has failed to get to court because of the unreliability of a key witness.

What I cannot understand - perhaps I'm thick or something - is why it would be necessary to deviate from what was first written down. I believe JP mentioned in one of his recent posts a light as bright as an airfield strobe hovering above the trees, visible from both bases and seen by however many LE/SP were on duty that night.. .this was not mentioned in his original statement yet this has to be a key fact.

As I said, these variations, additions, changes to sketches and so forth make me suspect that somewhere along the line pressure was applied. If I'm wrong, then I'm wrong...

The correct answer to my question would have been a simple 'no, we were not pressured by anyone' - not a confrontational show me 5-10 examples....That's another thing - why get so defensive when there is no need to? Nobody is accusing anyone of lying.

[John Burroughs]

Puddlepirate
There was nothing in what I asked to cause confrontation. Again I don't think you understand our witness statements! It was a brief summary of what happened not every detail and there was no questions being asked. Also if called into court we are allowed to use any notes we took. So if we were asked questions and responded one way and then changed are story later then you have a point! You are the one who stated are stories have changed so much and you stated changed so much and I would like you to list how. The statements may not have had everthing that happened to us in them but that does not mean it changed. Halts memo summerized to the Mod what happened but didnot include every detail. It seems very funny to me that when people don't know our operating procedures they want to add in what we should have said or done. One person who did have a statement released has claimed that was not his statement but that someone else typed it and he was told to sign it that would be ED C. Penniston has also stated that we were part of the coverup because we didnot report everthing we saw and had happen to us. Halt has also said when he had his encounter there goes my carreer. The statements written were a summary of what happened not every detail that happened.

[puddlepirate]

Then on that basis alone, they have changed. My question was to clarify if there was any pressure put on you guys

It seems very funny to me that when people don't know our operating procedures they want add in what we should have said or done.

Of course I don't know SP/LE operating procedures! If I did I would have no need to ask questions. I have not asked you to add anything nor have I suggested what you should have said or done. I simply asked a straightforward question.....and despite all the bluster, that has still not been answered.