May 2010 Transcript of Col Halt tape.

[apt]

Good day everyone, I hope my initial post will be of some use to you all.

I have resisted joining the forum until now, and so I hope at least to bring something maybe constructive to the RFI by a small but significant contribution on the heels of Storm's recent initiative to re-examine the Halt tape. The general concensus seems to be positive and I agree wholeheartedly. However, there appear to be a few errors in the transcription, and so I have taken the liberty to amend them together with a few minor grammatical corrections.

Edited version can be found here:
googledocs.com

For those wishing to listen to the audio, here's a direct link to the download:
complete_recording.mp3

Please feel free to add further corrections where you see fit, as this is by no means a definitive version. Thanks to Storm and everyone still involved in resolving this case. Feedback welcomed.

apt

[Storm]

Just to lighten things up a bit:

That did make me larf lol.

Hi frank I downloaded it as requested and yup it sounds like found, however I think that's because its on reduced tempo. Audacity helped but wasn't all I had hoped it would be lol.
When it reduces the tempo it I would imagine has to stretch out data filling it in with whatever it feels is mathematically accurate within the bounds of its ability programming wise. Like the shake system on a camera does. This means that it has potential to becomes corrupted. And in fact had you done a longer sequence as you know, it kind of flips out - well mine did.

The vowel sound changes if you elongate it because he is getting ready to say the next bit. That's the best explanation I have within my limited expertise at sound manipulation. Sorry Frank. As the transcript is mine, although not precious about it as it was done to satisfy my own curiosity, and had Nick Pope not mentioned this forum I would not have sort it out, I cannot include that edit as I feel that scoped fits with the sounds that I hear (vowel sounds, tempo of the word, and context), In this particular instance. I would feel I had misled away from the possible true phrase. So I am sorry about that and I do feel bad because I can see why your saying it and I will, if someone in the future gets a better quality recording be happy to rectify any and all mistakes, but audacity is not a sound engineer. I really only used the loop function to be honest to hear the same phrase over again.


A little bit concerned that you have mentioned rearranging Col Halts timeline of speech. You dont actually use those words but you are referring to Ridpaths comment.

A little confused there. I transcribed what I heard when I heard it. If you are referring to my comment on the transcript - at the bottom where I say edited timeline yesterday of Col Halts speech, it was because I altered it because I made a mistake. Not to suit my own needs and wants. I hope that clarifies and I will on the transcript mention that this is the case with all edits.

As for Ridpath explaining that it was Lt Englund that calls the "right at half a millirem" statement, and not nevilles - they both do actually lol. You can hear one whisper it a few milliseconds before the other. SO there we go mystery solved.

Frank thank you for yesterdays edit btw. All I wanted to do was hear the bloomin thing because although as a child I has heard about the case and a couple of years later went onto to all of the bases bar woodbridge, I had never heard the tape. I used Bruni's transcript because after reading Ridpaths website and comments within the trasncript, I felt it would obviously have a bias, that I did not want to experience as a new comer. Bruni's transcript was inaccurate and where as in mine now you can see Col Halt actually stammers. In a lot of cases, someone says something and he jumps in and makes it look like its his idea. I think it is imperative that it is as accurate as possible but I have to put my name to the version on here. So as with your first correction, that needed to be changed of course, but the other one is not so clear cut. During the transcript Halt say "right there were that spot is on the tree" or something like that. Under audacity I got "fires were on the tree" - that was a very exciting moment lol, however I realised it was "spot". So I hope you understand on this particular occasion.

I have seen a comment further down with regard to grammar in my transcript and I am hoping that the person concerned is not suggesting that if the word is "lemmi" that the transcript has to be changed to "let me", that would be ridiculous. As for commas in the right place etc, I wont bother changing those but we will see.

Frank its been really nice to have your comments and again thank you.

[Storm]

I'm happy to confirm to our other posters that I don't need a primer in radioactive decay. But I must admit that I'm not an expert on alien propulsion systems and I was simply wondering what sort of fuel they use for their leaky reactors.

Ian

erm I beg to differ Ian as per this quote from the PM you sent me you clearly do need a primer.

Well if the readings were really as high as you claim there would have been a civil defence alert, which there wasn't (Rendlesham Forest is public land, remember). And radiation traces would presumably still have been detectable for years after, which they weren't (several people have checked the area at different times).

You are welcome to double-check my findings on the radiation. If you find that the readings were not, as you claim, "in the region of between 700 to maybe even 1000 microsieverts" then I hope you will be gracious enough to post that here so we can at least lay this claim to rest.

Ian

As for leaky reactors *shakes head and rolls eyes* I imagine the reason for that comment is due to the fact that radiation readings were detected at the scene and you are implying that the reactor leaked and therefore left traces to be picked up.

Yet again this shows someone trying bluff their way past scrutiny. Reactors leak. Hence we have checks, weld x rays, and a huge amount of monitoring. Sigh. Anyone and everyone knows that much at least. How ever, *feels tired and bored but struggles on*, clearly you can see no other way that radiation readings from some craft or other, could possibly be found unless it did leak. And that Ian really does show literally no depth to your knowledge on matters of radiation. In fact if you are really this inept I feel no reason to indulge you further. Sorry Ian but I really can not believe your audacity at trying to kid anyone let alone anyone here that you have got the faintest clue. I would laugh if it wasn't so tragic.

Edit: As part of a PM to Ian I did make a mistake and as his type often does will probably quote my PM and throw it in my face. I stated that Cobalt 60 has a half life of millions of years. My mistake it was, I remembered later actually, around 5.3 years or there abouts. Its actually Uranium 235 which is millions of years. *slaps forehead*, dont ask me if that's natural or enriched, though I suspect it does not matter when talking such a great time.

[Andrew Pike]

Mr Ridpath do you need a new spade yet!

Ha! Ha! My type of humour and certainly seems that way!

Anyway, Ian will always be Ian, unfortunately.

I actually only came on to tidy up one of my posts much, much earlier on about a final statement from me about Rendlesham before I go!

Yes, it will happen in the new newsstand magazine, UFO Matrix Magazine. The launch issue is 29 July and the Nov/Dec issue (next issue after that) will be a Rendlesham special, just confirmed with the editor Philip Mantle. Available at all good newsagents (and probably the bad ones too!).

Your old pal David Clarke is doing something for the magazine also, Ian! Oh deep joy!!

Andrew

[Storm]

I have to admit I'm out of my depth on this radiac stuff. Here is an old clip from Strange But True Live talking about the equipment and settings:



I've often wondered just how much radiation there as you can hear the geiger counter on the tape going crackers.

LOL and LMAO and RATFLO - sigh - Jenny Randles how funny was she.

Phew its outa my system now. Well that radiation meter equivalent that the British use - er no we don't lol. Did we use that - maybe in a galaxy a long long long way away but those bits of kit were always at the back of a cupboard never used. If I remember rightly it has a silver foil sheet just inside the round cap you see at the end of it. If that gets pierced its useless, even worse than useless. And besides, the piece of kit the Americans had, had two GM tubes, not one hidden behind a foil sheet. That meter only had one if I again remember my ancient history. But what we did use I cant find on the net to show you. So I guess its not released. Searching for the thing we use now on google - just brings back a bread maker lol so I guess thats a secret still too. In fact none of the names of the kit bring back pictures of the kit used. So there you go. If anyone knows the name of that piece of junk that guy is holding - the light cream coloured thing I would be interested.

As for the other piece of kit he has, that is a slight cheat really. It is not military issue as such. And the guys had a radiation detection meter. That means it detected emitted radiation, both beta and gamma. However that bit of kit is I think a contamination meter. I could be wrong. However it does come with a test spray I remember that much. And the test spray makes it go full scale deflection as in the programme. And it does go like the clappers like that BTW totally accurate. I have played with one of them. As for the rock he uses LOL that a piece of rock he holds up he explains is from Cornwall or there abouts is probably granite. Some bits of Granite are highly radioactive with absorbed Radon. Radon is an alpha emitter if I remember rightly. I am not sure that meter can detect alpha, though I could be wrong. However a naff lump of granite would not make it go full tilt like that, he had to have used the spray as well. The test spray though is a chemical non radioactive substance. I look at that part of the video and I am afraid not taking that too seriously. Bit of poor showmanship really.

If anyone can identify that instrument as well would be very interesting to look at its specs.

SilverTop - the instrument the lads used was as far as I can determine a AN PDR 27 however there were several versions and I think I read somewhere more reliable that it was an F model. Though I wasn't there so I cannot vouch for that. So a AN PDR 27 F

here: http://www.civildefensemuseum.com/south ... dr27f.html

[Frank]

Hi frank I downloaded it as requested and yup it sounds like found, however I think that's because its on reduced tempo. Audacity helped but wasn't all I had hoped it would be lol.

OK, we agree to disagree on this point then – I keep on hearing “We just found ..” on the fragment (downloadable at http://drop.io/pa2lg8n for those interested)

The rearrangement of Halt’s tape I made (that can be downloaded from http://drop.io/pa2lg8n too), is not without any rationale. The reasons I rearranged it like that are:

1. Other witnesses of that night claim that a lot more happened than what’s on the tape and in the memo, and that a large UFO landed that night. Now in the part at the end of the tape (at 04:00) Halt definitely does not sound like someone who just saw a landed UFO, so if the story of a landed UFO is true it must have happened after 04:00, or it didn't happen at all (at least not with Halt as a witness).

2. Halt’s memo contains a detailed description of the events up to 04:00, but does not say that several lights were flying around approaching the men (it is definitely coming this way, one in front, one to the left, one again left etc). It just mentions one light, and ends at 04:00. So probably the part with several lights belongs after 04:00.

3. Halt’s emotional state of mind varies from annoyed (Is that all the bigger they are?) to curious (Yeah it's a strange small red light – seeing just one light) to frightened (Pieces of it are shooting off – seeing several lights) to curious again (like a pupil of an eye lookin' at you, winking – watching one light again) to amazed (this is unreal – watching the beam of light coming down). A more natural order would be annoyed – curious – amazed – frightened. This order of events would also place the part where several lights are seen at the end of the tape.

4. The part with several lights starts with We just found (or scoped the first light that we've seen. But they have not seen more than one light at that point in the tape, they start seeing more lights after that point. This fragment seems to come too early and seems to belong to a later point in time.

5. Halt’s memo contains a part where the light silently explodes into several objects. This is not found nor mentioned anywhere on the tape. To me this tells that the silent explosion probably also took place after 04:00. This corroborates with Larry Warren’s description, except for the fact that Larry saw a landed UFO after this explosion ..

So, I do have my reasons for this edit.

Is it speculative? You bet it is! But isn't that what this forum is all about? Exchanging ideas that may help to solve this puzzle?

[Daniel]

Hello Storm,

Thanks for sharing your transcript. I just now need to follow through it along with the audio recording.

On another note, did Col. Halt get any heat temperature recordings from the pot marks?

Daniel

[Storm]

Hello Storm,

Thanks for sharing your transcript. I just now need to follow through it along with the audio recording.

On another note, did Col. Halt get any heat temperature recordings from the pot marks?

Daniel

Your welcome Daniel. As far as I am aware he didn't take actual thermometer readings. He doesn't on the tape. The starscope registered light but there is debate about what that means. Heat or some form of energy to quote halt. However the starscope was a kind of night vision thing. Which usually show green scales of light and he says hey your right there's a little White streak on the tree. White? odd. Unless earlier versions were black and White. What does show black and White is a thermal image camera. If it had those qualities well then there is a whole new ball game. I am sure someone has found the star scope used. A search for it now just brings back pages of telescopes.

[FMG]

Just wondering what our other radiation expert, Andrew Pike, thinks about this thread? As an astrophysicist you must be following this better than most of up.

[AdrianF]

Q. for Andrew Pike.. If your brother worked for LWT and was involved in the production, then did he supply you with the tape recording which you used to make your transcription with? There is an obvious difference between the version that was used on this show and the one that is in the PD and is probably taken directly from the original tape.
I've attempted to clean up the version of the Halt tape in the public domain a few times, using the best tools I can find, here is one http://chillfactorfilms.squarespace.com/storage/tmpmedia/CHalteqNR.mp3 I made earlier, as John Noakes used to say. However knowing that the original copy is as good a quality as it is, it seems a bit pointless to take it any further, until a proper copy of the original surfaces.

@ ST, I looked into the ebay route already for one of these. It seems from my limited research, that a lot of these units are at best unreliable now. But if a good working order one can be found, then I would love to have a rerun at the forest

[Andrew Pike]

Just wondering what our other radiation expert, Andrew Pike, thinks about this thread? As an astrophysicist you must be following this better than most of up.

Storm knows his stuff. I have been in contact with him via PMs since Ian kicked off with this at the beginning of the thread.

I know it all seems heavy going but I can say you are not having the wool pulled over your eyes. Yes I do understand what is being said, as an Astrophysicist I have studied radiation obviously at undergraduate level and then at postgraduate and research level. Obviously Storm deals with the more down to earth stuff, so to speak, my experience is more heavenly! He is also much better than me at the type of equipment the Navy, and other forces, use. However, the physics is the same regardless of where you are in the Unviverse, whether on a sub today or running around Rendlesham forest 30 years ago.

I don't think I can explain it any differently and I left it to storm to battle with Ian as it was really his baby so to speak. If I got invoved with posts as well it was going to get too messy and therefore more complex for form members to follow, I did not want that to happen. But I am here following it!

[Andrew Pike]

Q. for Andrew Pike.. If your brother worked for LWT and was involved in the production, then did he supply you with the tape recording which you used to make your transcription with? There is an obvious difference between the version that was used on this show and the one that is in the PD and is probably taken directly from the original tape.
I've attempted to clean up the version of the Halt tape in the public domain a few times, using the best tools I can find, here is one http://chillfactorfilms.squarespace.com/storage/tmpmedia/CHalteqNR.mp3 I made earlier, as John Noakes used to say. However knowing that the original copy is as good a quality as it is, it seems a bit pointless to take it any further, until a proper copy of the original surfaces.

@ ST, I looked into the ebay route already for one of these. It seems from my limited research, that a lot of these units are at best unreliable now. But if a good working order one can be found, then I would love to have a rerun at the forest

My brother was not one of the team directly involved with any of the programmes, however, he knew those who were. That was many years after I made much of my transcript and before he worked in TV, I believe he was still at college.

My transcript was from several copies really, although there was one main copy from the beginning. It was a copy I got shortly after the tape became public, if memery serves me about late 1983. It was at the time of the publication of Skycrash, as I recall there was talk the tape was released to discredit that book.

Yes, I know what you mean about different versions, I was talking to storm about that in a PM yesterday. I have come across several versions in fact. For example the first copy I used did not have the humming sound usually thought to be due to the starscope, and some gaps are different lengths to others I used as the years passed and I updated the transcript. Drop out can be a pain as some copies have missing bits that others don't and that can be a problem when trying to hear every word or sound.

I don't think any of my copies were really better than available today, it was more what we did with them using our equipment than anything else as we compiled the transcript. That is why storm's version is interesting, it uses yet another way to get at the information, that is really how we did it, as many copies, techniques, etc. It would have been nice to have the original from the night.

[AdrianF]

Yes, I know what you mean about different versions, I was talking to storm about that in a PM yesterday. I have come across several versions in fact. For example the first copy I used did not have the humming sound usually thought to be due to the starscope, and some gaps are different lengths to others I used as the years passed and I updated the transcript. Drop out can be a pain as some copies have missing bits that others don't and that can be a problem when trying to hear every word or sound.

I thought I would ask as you mentioned about the LWT connection earlier in the thread. The youtube clip demonstrates why to take it any further, it's only worth doing from the original. The hum can be easily removed from the copy and the different frequencies can be EQ'd, but the bloody distortion is impossible to remove.

Perhaps per chance a broadcast quality mic ? ?

When you first posted this, I thought the same. The Olympus recorders from that time, aren't that far removed as far as sound character goes from the newer batch of solid state recorders. I use these quite a bit and even the cheaper ones are capable of capturing a pretty good sound, similar to what can be heard on the clip.

[Storm]

I have been in discussions with APT from here. He suggested a few posts back, some changes to the transcript. They were as follows:

Various punctuation edits. (looking at this now)
Change the times from how the military write them to actual words so 01:00 becomes zero-one-zero-zero. (I have to say I did not think this was THAT important. APT said that it should be a true reflection of the text and gave his reasons. I agree with you APT but for a slightly different reason. If for instance he says "01.48 and thats what I wrote you might actually miss the fact that he says Zero-one-fourty- eigh and does not finish it. I know what he is going to say as we all do, however I would not allow that in a different area of the tape. If he has not finished a word I reflected that. The reason was accuracy but more importantly it shows state of mind. If he did not finish it then why. Did something startle him. Its an important point I think. Also as you say, 0 could mean zero, naught, etc.... however I hope he does say an actual number lol. If he says oh one fourty eight for instance then someone else will pull me up for that. LOL.

EDIT RE ABOVE: Actually I realised that should I change the numbers to actual words, then they cease to become times and now become words only. And may well be assumed to be Halt reading off numbers. As the transcript as with any version of it, may well be read by a lot of people including those that do not download the actual sound track, it may look to them like he is saying some random numbers. I know its a minor risk, but still detracts away from the main body of the text unnecessarily as I would then have to type after each one (time reference) for the uninitiated. Sorry APT

A few minor changes to actual speech i.e wording. (looking at this now)

I have spelt Centre as, centre, just that. But because it is an American talking APT suggests the American Spelling should be the one used. Center. I think its a minor point with regard to accuracy so If I do that it will be next week.

I will begin these changes today and post the edit details at the bottom of the page. However because of the reasons I will just put the link to this page so it does not waffle on at the bottom of the transcript.

[Frank]

Perhaps per chance a broadcast quality mic ? ?

Aaahhh, so the it wasn't a lighthouse, but a ...

[IanR]

clearly you can see no other way that radiation readings from some craft or other, could possibly be found unless it did leak.

So where do you think the radiation came from, assuming it was really as high as you say?

Ian

[Storm]

clearly you can see no other way that radiation readings from some craft or other, could possibly be found unless it did leak.

So where do you think the radiation came from, assuming it was really as high as you say?

Ian

Do your own research. Your not sapping me for knowledge. If you don't know go look it up. I have to. When I explained to you about decay in a PM to save your blushes, you took the Piss in the main forum. So sorry - lesson learned - help Ian Ridpath and he will attempt to make you look a pillock later.

[FMG]

Said calmly. Well done storm. That is exactly how they work. They will call it "discussion" but it is entrapment into their world of debunking. When I saw his post at the top of this page I thought please don't fall for it! Well done!

[Frank]

So where do you think the radiation came from, assuming it was really as high as you say?

First rule of science: Study the literature.

From Paul Hill, Unconventional Flying Objects – a scientific analysis.

Section IV, p.70 “How hot is UFO radiation?”

First he discusses six close encounters where radiation (and even severe radiation sickness) was involved, including one where radiation coming from a UFO some distance away was actually measured with a Geiger counter. The UFO went up and down behind a hill, each time it came up from behind the hill, the Geiger counter showed a reading of 400 volts and 250 milliroentgens.
This gives him a lower limit for the energy level of radiation coming from a UFO. It is 25 eV since this is the minimum amount of energy required to produce an ion pair in a Geiger counter.

Then he moves on to determine the upper energy limit of UFO radiation (p 79).
“For UFOs to leave the ground radioactive they would have to emit radiation capable of initiating nuclear reactions in the soil and rocks, forming unstable isotopes which would continue to emit secondary radiations. The initiation of nuclear reactions could be caused by the emission of gamma rays with an energy of about three million electron volts or higher.”

That’s where residual gamma radiation may come from, Ian.

Paul Hill concludes that three million electron volts is the upper energy limit for UFO radiation, based on the fact that “There have been cases in which residual radioactivity was present, but such cases are extremely rare, and outside the norm.”

On p 81-82 he adds some comments:
“X-rays would also penetrate a few inches of soil, giving up their energy to plant-root depths. Soil being a thermal insulator, the heat would escape slowly and the temperature would build up with time below a low-hovering UFO. Most ground heating data is from saucer type UFOs, and these are the ones known to focus their ionizing radiations downward with considerable accuracy”

Remember the residual heat coming from the center spot in Halt’s tape ..?

On p 411 he speculates about possibilities for UFO propulsion:
“use is made of physicist D.D. Ivanenko’s statement that it is possible for a positron-electron reaction to result in a gravitational output. An ideal cycle is visualized in which electrons are accelerated downward (in a hovering UFO) in vacuum to strike quiescent positrons, giving a downward momentum to the reaction products. Let Pgrav be the resulting momentum of gravitons, antigravitons, and directed component of X-ray photons from the reaction (…)

Notice the need for an electric field, and the generation of directed X-rays in the process?

Now THAT is what I call explaining ..

[Storm]

LOL your naughty Frank you should have let him struggle.

Basically what frank is saying is any metals in the dirt get Ionised and will be irradiated and then because they are now unstable become radioactive themselves. Usually for a short period of time, dependant on the isotopes created from the ionisation process. I made a piece of gold radioactive once. Great fun. Hell of a source to do it though. So it means that it has to have some wack of radiation in order for this to take place, and then leave any residual radiation in the ground. Isotope dependant will depends on how long it registers for, before it wobbles itself stable again.

X rays though - thats interesting - I did not know that. X rays can be caused by gamma hitting something dense like lead. Causes an effect called Brem Stralla. I love that phrase.