Charles Halt @ National Press Club (27/09/2010)

[Daniel]

Thanks for the new link. Did Col Halt seem slightly nervous? The lights doing grid searches does interest me quite a bit, it gives me the impression that there was something very important on the base at the time.

[JamesLA]

Also, mentioned today on CNN.

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/2010/09/29/am.ufo.hastings.cnn?hpt=T2

[stephan]

Did Col Halt seem slightly nervous?

stage-fright, I suppose. If you look at earlier press conference(s) he seemed nervours, too.

The lights doing grid searches does interest me quite a bit, it gives me the impression that there was something very important on the base at the time.

yep, nukes

[stephan]

I watched Halt on the CNN live feed. I noted he said the beams that came down were 1 foot wide. Did he not say in the past they were pencil thin or am I confusing that with something else ?

taken from Halt's affidavit recently uploaded by Robert Salas:

It stopped overhead and sent down a small pencil-like beam, sort of like a laser beam. That illuminated the ground about ten feet from us

source: http://www.spiralgalaxy.org/Halt.html

''pencil-like'' is not equal to ''pencil thin''. He probably used this word to describe the appearance of the beam as a whole. If it had instead been pencil thin I suppose he would have said ''twine-like''. So it was maybe 1 foot wide but the complete beam looked like a pencil.

[stephan]

"Suddenly, from the south, a different glowing object moved toward us at a high rate of speed, came within several hundred feet, and then stopped. A pencil like beam, six to eight inches in diameter, shot from this thing right down by our feet. Seconds later, the object rose and disappeared." - source http://www.angelfire.com/wizard/wizardf ... ATERS.html

yep, this - in general - fits what Halt writes in his affidavit. When retelling a story you often use different words each time you tell it (unless you memorize it verbatim). So from what I understand you could definitely say Halt saw an object coming towards them at high speed, it shot down a pencil-like beam of about the width of a foot to a position close to where they were standing. Then the object rose and disappeared. Plus a few other details as mentioned in the documents.

[stephan]

my assumption would be a round shape. I guess he would have mentioned it otherwise. But you'd have to ask him to be sure

btw, Robert Jacobs (Vandenberg incident) also mentions a UFO shooting a beam of light at a warhead. Seems to be a common method to meddle with nukes

[AdrianF]

Now we're back to the Xenon tank light again, probably the most impressive torch of all time. I'm sure that the 67th must have had a couple of these

[stephan]

aha, you stole those pics here

http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/sho ... light=tank

and was it mounted to a helicopter which was moving at a high rate of speed ?

[AdrianF]

If you go through a few pages on that thread, their is a shot of one of these on the side of a helicopter during the Vietnam era.
Only problem with this idea, is that no noise was reported from the objects sending down the beams.
Worth thinking about though!

[Deep Purple]

They may have had a modified version of the Hughes 500 which could fly very quietly, witnesses said it sounded like a far off aircraft when you were right next to it. Mount a lazer or a pencil beam light on it and hey presto!
Also it is likely that they were developing holographic images at that time, but equally some sources in the intel community ( trawl the internet) seem to indcate that ET is alive and the US wants to come clean about it. Halt says it was ET now.
It seems to boil down to which argument do you want to beleive?
1) UFos are a cover up for black projects etc
2) The US goverment has had contact and now wants to tell us the truth
Scrapping around the difference in the RFI witness statements will not answer the above questions , only feed uncertainitity.

We have enough evidence that something really " Weird " happened. The skeptics havent been able to really explain it all, and indeed if they are right it would point to a UFO disinformation campaign--- remember one vital fact Halt and his men have never ever ever said oh yes thinking about it we got confused it was the lighthouse--- something that was there all the time and this was not the first night the witnesses were wandering around the base at night. I spent a lot of time fishing at night and you know your lights!
If you where the base commander and this a miss identification of lights wouldnt you take your guys back into the woods and show them what it really was ?
It never happened, this is why I say it was either a deliberate uFO disinfortmation campaign or the real deal.

[stephan]

If you go through a few pages on that thread, their is a shot of one of these on the side of a helicopter during the Vietnam era.
Only problem with this idea, is that no noise was reported from the objects sending down the beams.
Worth thinking about though!

well, I guess there are a ''number of'' probs. The one you just mentioned plus its velocity which was described as high rate of speed, plus why would a helicopter crew send down a beam of light with that thing to the deputy base commander and his team while they were investigating the area for UFOs ? Did they want to test or fool him ? There were also reports that those beams went down to or close to the WSA. Why on Earth should they (some unknown helicopter pilots) stage such a ''show''. Makes no sense imo.

[Daniel]

Thanks Adrian, those photo's gives a good illustration on what might have been observed by Col. Halt. Can't honestly see it coming down from a helicopter, as the 67th ARRS would more than likely need a high-powered light that utilises wide spread illumination on the ground for the purposes of search and rescue.

[JamesLA]

A secret ops helicopter still doesn't explain the entire scenario. How could helicopters maneuver silently in and out of trees, or split apart into separate lights and zoom off in the blink of an eye? It just doesn't match eyewitness testimony. I could understand if they were just distant lights sending down beams. Perhaps, such helicopters could have been in the vicinity to monitor the UFO activity. That would be more plausible, but examining all the events it still leaves a lot of unanswered questions.

[AgentAppleseed]

That photos a long exposure, and the light looks more beam-like because of that.

Great to see Halt and the others standing up and attempting to move this thing forward. Unfortunately, these press conferences are too few and far between. Halt came across very well, as did all the witnesses, and the overall tone of the conference was spot on. If there is one criticism I have, it would be that these Air Force witnesses should stay away from the issue of motive behind interference with nuclear weapons. It would be more effective for them to say that motives are unknown, or maybe even a simple "no comment" would suffice. Where the press is concerned, they should not allow themselves to be drawn into speculation regarding motives, at all!! Once they try and answer those questions, they will then be held accountable by the press, whereas it would be more appropriate for the government to tackle questions of motive. After all, that is the point, is it not? The press will always try and redirect attention upon the witnesses instead of the government.
Some people believe, that by their actions, the intelligence behind the UFOs are trying to tell us that we need to disarm nuclear weapons etc. Although I understand why people might come to that conclusion, personally, I think that idea is somewhat naive, and I dont believe that is really the "message" being sent at all!
Id like to see the R.F.I brought forward in a somewhat different manner though. There is enough evidence in this case to go to court and establish that this all happened beyond a reasonable doubt. If there is any case that has the potential to be successful, its the R.F.I.

[JamesLA]

That's a great point, AgentAppleseed. I agree completely. There is no possible way would ever know what the motive is behind
monitoring our nuclear weapons or storage facilities, unless we could interview the 'intelligence' behind the UFO's. Otherwise, this is purely speculation.
The media as we all know can be very manipulative to suit their own agenda. As you said, there is enough facts about RFI to
make this a very intriguing case.

[Ignis Fatuus]

There is enough evidence in this case to go to court and establish that this all happened beyond a reasonable doubt. If there is any case that has the potential to be successful, its the R.F.I.

Ha ha you've been had mate. As for the evidence...it would go against them rather than for them. It would however be interesting to see if Halt and Penniston had the bottle to perjure themselves on the stand with their duplicitous 5hite.

[AgentAppleseed]

Yes Fatuus, it has already been established beyond a reasonable doubt that the incidents did occur! Both Halt, and Penniston have gone on the record claiming that they would be willing to be sworn to oath that this all happened. The evidence is there to back up their claim that the incident did occur.

Duplicitous? So you feel Halt and Penniston are lieing about the incident right? Well your entitled to your opinion.
I would love to see someone accuse them of perjury in a court of law. You know why? Because when that day comes, if it comes at all, and someone accuses them of that, therell be uproar! So much uproar in fact, that a lot of people are going to end up, in a hell of a lot of trouble.
As for being had, I have absolutely nothing to loose either way. I have no vested interest, but there are those who do, and one day the tables will turn. The wheel, simply doesnt turn one way all of the time. No one has me fooled!

[AdrianF]

That photos a long exposure, and the light looks more beam-like because of that.

A 2.5-3 second exposure won't make a solid beam appear more beam like.