larry warrens story

[John Burroughs]

Sacha
You stated you have been in touch with Steve Lu Plume please ask him to contact me ASAP I have some very important information I need to discuss with him.

[FMG]

John, some of the points you make about why aliens and the '3 ladies' I recall was covered in an article in UFO Data Magazine by Andrew Pike. I had the chance to ask him to expand on the matter when I met him at a conference about two years ago, but he wouldn't say much more than what was in the magazine. I'll see if I can find my copy. I don't want to go saying things yet unless I am sure what was actually said.

[Sacha Christie]

I will John.... Would you like me to give him your email address?

FMG... I'll send Andrew a text mentioning your post. He might venture back onto the boards although i know he's not keen. You're not an unfriendly poster so he might.

I have his book the Rendlesham files.. the info might be in there if you could elaborate? He said he's going to print off the second edition and send that on to me too so if it's not in the one I have it might be in the next.

[FMG]

I don't think it was in the first edition, but I'll check. There is some detail in the UFO Data Mags, it's across several articles and a newsletter which I still have. It was linked to Berwyn Mountain and a group called APEN, I'll read it all through tonight, but probably best to get it from the horses mouth, so to speak. There might be more in the second edition but I don't have that. He did say a bit more after all to me at the conference, in the UFO Data Magazine he just says 'UK Authorities', but named them as Special Branch to me and in the newsletter. Anyway, I'll leave it there.

[Daniel]

Does Andrew Pike plan to reprint his book at any point in the future? Haven't really had any luck online trying to find a copy of the Rendlesham Files.

It's my belief that the USAF were still interested, at least in the early 90's, about ufo's. A friend and I once did a ufo related painting for art in school. The painting was never given back, because we 'drew something bad'. That afternoon my dad returned home really angry telling me to report anything strange I've seen, so he could pass it on. The painting did closely resemble the Rendlesham Forest Incident, but it was more based on Socorro surrounded by tree's and a base on the outside.

Guess that's the weirdest thing I've come across when my father was in the Military.

[Sacha Christie]

I remember the edition FMG, I was on the ufo data team then. I remember looking at the copy we had and after speaking with Andrew he kindly sent me a copy. It was one of the first few but not the first edition. I'd have to have a deep rummage through the box of magazines I have to find out.

I'd like to think it will one day get the attention it deserves. Maybe after this years hoohah, and the 30th anniversary reunion over with there will be some warranted attention given to it..... There will be a reunion.

[John Burroughs]

Sure Sacha who is going to show up for this reunion? Nobody wants to come over to England and nobody wants to talk on the record when they will talk! Everybody is running scared! Ian R got it all figured out nothing happend we were all just running around in the field with are heads cut off! Halt running around taking advantage of everybody case closed. Good luck and make sure you have Ian as your main speaker but only book about a hour of everybody time because nothing happened he got it all figured out and were all just taking you guys for a ride......

[Sacha Christie]

Oh ye of little faith!

Wouldn't you want to speak John? It's all in the pipeline.. sponsorship an all... there are PLENTY of main witnesses. I have five already!! Halts a liar, no matter.. he'll be seen for what he is eventually. You should have gone to Laughlin John, you'd know what has transpired. Which was A LOT.

There was a no show as far as speakers go... They had a vote and Larry was asked to step up and speak, which he did... without peeing his pants or shouting even once. He had Gary Heseltine up on stage with him and also asked five other of the disclosure witnesses up with him. It was a sell out dvd too. fortunately Larry squirrelled one away for me. If you were there, you'd have been asked up too. Gary was looking forward to talking with you. They all had a fantastic week, a lot of laughs and a lot of crap ironed out and a lot of future projects secured. quite an achievement for a bad tempered old crank eh?

There were a lot of revelations too.. Such a shame you didn't go!!!

so... The reunion.... Yes it is going ahead.... and quite spectacularly too. You are on the list if you so choose to speak John... but that is your choice entirely of course. Everyone wants to know exactly what you think happened.

That's a point no one is clear on.

[Sacha Christie]

I'd also like to add that Ian had some very cogent points, he hasn't got it all figured out but has put forward a theory which he believes.... whether anyone else is satisfied with that is a different ball game but considering the amount of effort and hard work invested even he would be welcome. He does know the case....

But to say that I should book him as the main speaker and that no one wants to speak is just beyond childish.... Looks to me like you are isolating yourself John. That's up to you of course but it's entirely unnecessary. Believe it or not, we're all on your side but at a loss as to where you're coming from.

[Sacha Christie]

Me again... sorry to be a pain in the arse... but who exactly is running scared? Who are these people you speak of?

[John Burroughs]

Sacha
Here is the bottom line plain and simple. I'm not isolating myself I'm just plain fed up with all the BS. As far as Laughlin goes I have no Idea what happened but as far as I know there was no breaking news comming out on Bentwaters or any other case being solved. As far as Larry goes I or nobody else has ever said he would pee his pants or shout out at a friendly audience who was there to hear a story being told.

Ian R I have nothing against and I understand he has spent al lot of time looking at Bentwaters. What I find funney is that when he or Dave Clarke go on a show and try and sell that theory the people who interview them all laugh at that theory even the people from the BBC were doing that. To say that we were fooled by the lighthouse or everthing else they have throwen out is BS. They acted no different to that than when the story is being told about the ailiens who asked for help from General Williams to repair there craft and we called Ramstein and they sent over the spare parts.

Fox news in December talked about Bentwaters and Shepard Smith was cut off by Bill O'Riley who said it was the Russian out there you should have seen Smith reaction to that! The people who were out there know what they saw and for the most part are at a lost for words on how it did what it did. Why don't you list for me how many of the main people have steped out in the past 10 years and said anything of real importance. How many of the main people are willing to all sit down together and try and work it out?

[John Burroughs]

I'm glad things went well in Laughlin but what has changed. I know I'm not being a friendly forum member and I'm picking on Larry again and you don't have time to talk about what has changed or who will be at the conferance. Is Larry ready to respond to Linda articles and stand up and answer the tough questions on why he changed his story? Has somebody picked up Gary movie yet? All that is going on here is people running around with there theories and agenda's. I'm looking for the truth!!

Drop me a line when you have all of the main witness who were involved ready to sit down together and talk about what happened! When there ready to answer some tough question on why they have changed there stories and come clean on what happened!

I'm in when that happens where ever that takes place! Until then all that's going on is the same shit just a different day. And to Ian and all the others who have solved this case I know what I saw and it was not the Light House. It was not little ailiens in silver suits asking for us to repair there ship it did happen over a 3 night period not one night and the dates were the 26-28. Give me a call when somthing changes....

[John Burroughs]

Sacha
Vaya con dios amiga good luck! Let me know if anything really changes!!!

[Sacha Christie]

I could answer all of your questions John but as a matter of integrity I'm not going to. Not my place to say... Not until it's said that I can. Especially regarding the script and who I have lined up. sorry. And yes you did bring up Larry not being able to control his temper on stage... the terminology i used is my own but you seem to be of the opinion everyone's a hysteric.... especially Larry. All will become apparent when everyone is back from Laughlin. I will keep you informed and would hope that you do decide to speak.

Yes Silvertop, there is a dvd, Larry is sending me it in the post. I'm sure we can sort something out. No Peter wasn't there... Larry wasn't even meant to be speaking but was asked to by a majority vote.. He asked Gary Heseltine up to speak which he did... I really don't know how much or what was said but I'll find out soon enough!

[SteveR]

From poster Sacha Christie: "Halts a liar, no matter.. he'll be seen for what he is eventually."
By association that's the pot calling the kettle black if I've ever heard it! You're organizing a reunion and you come out with that ! Hilarious ! I assume he turned down your invite. Do you work for the AFOSI !

[AdrianF]

Sacha
Can you please explain what is being planned with regards to the reunion? I was under the impression that John B was trying to organise it for this year at Bentwaters, but reading this thread, it appears that you are now taking charge. Or is this a different reunion?? If nobody knows what's happening yet, then fine, but I'm a little confused.

[Sacha Christie]

Hi Adrian,

John was and still can for me, organize the reunion. It seemed to be totally up in the air and my only intention was to get the ball rolling seeing as I'm in the UK and know most of the people involved and it would be easy for me to do. then Philip Mantle was organizing one.. which was great news until i found out that Larry would not be invited due to his previous ruffling of feathers.. I was told by Philip that he was concerned certain people wouldn't speak if he was there which I found outrageous. then he said it was purely a financial decision.

I decided to take the matter into my own hands which went uncontested and arrange on where everyone would be involved. Due to my reputation a lot of people who have previously removed themselves from the ufo scene have said they will or may talk because I'm organizing it and they know it will be fair. the problem then was funding but due to some new developments which i cannot go into, that issue may have just been removed. If not my previous plans for approaching sponsors will go ahead and hopefully one of them will take the offer up seeing as this could be a monumental occasion if handled correctly.

Due to recent ups and downs the details have not been finalized but Larry and I will be working together with a couple of other people to get the show on the road so to speak.... I'd be happy to answer anymore questions but at the moment don't have the answers you want but as soon as we know, you'll know. I hope that helps?

I don't know what you're talking about steveR... sorry. And I haven't spoken to Halt yet but do have his contact details and will be contacting him. My views on his latest revelations are my own personal views which I am totally entitled to express and also know I do not stand alone in them and that comes from the top of the staircase all the way down. You'll just have to let time play itself out and then you can see for yourself. Would you like to point out where I am 'The Liar'? Pots calling kettles lol.. deary me.

Are you psych-ops by any chance? You do take that tone. Another forum troll to wind everyone up. YAWN.

John If you wish to organize the reunion or be involved on any level, you are more than welcome, in fact we'd be delighted. I just didn't want to see this pass by without so much of a fart which is what would happen seeing as everyone is still chasing tails about who said what. I know you know where I'm coming from, we've spoken enough.

[AdrianF]

I decided to take the matter into my own hands which went uncontested and arrange on where everyone would be involved. Due to my reputation a lot of people who have previously removed themselves from the ufo scene have said they will or may talk because I'm organizing it and they know it will be fair. the problem then was funding but due to some new developments which i cannot go into, that issue may have just been removed. If not my previous plans for approaching sponsors will go ahead and hopefully one of them will take the offer up seeing as this could be a monumental occasion if handled correctly.

Okay, that makes it a little clearer. I know that myself and a few of the other forum members have offered to support Johns effort to put together a reunion, even if it only amounts to moral support. If it is to have even the slightest chance to succeed, then a little clarity for those who do support the idea is definitely needed.

Hopefully the intention is to continue the plans for a reunion, as opposed to a UFO conference. With that in mind, I hope that a few of those involved, who haven't come forward over the years, could be encouraged to attend and not just those who believe in the ETH. My understanding is there are a few important witnesses to events who really don't know what happened and still have an open mind on the subject. I feel that one reason that some have so far declined comment, is that by doing so, they are seen as automatically believing in little green men or conspiracy theories. There have also been more than a few insults and accusations thrown at the witnesses, researchers and skeptics over the years, including on this forum. This obviously isn't helpful. I really hope that this can be resolved in order to put together an open and above all, civilised reunion for this year.

[Sacha Christie]

Adrian I absolutely support that view 100%

No one knows what happened and to just have speakers who only support the ufo view would be totally biased and also to my mind ridiculous. That would be basing everything on a massive assumption and would gain no ground. The ufo angle has been done to death almost.

I can assure everyone that the people whom I've asked and have also intimated they would speak are from all backgrounds... especially scientific. Lets face it.. the events described as having happened were quite obviously down to electro magnetic effects and I do believe that the Cobra Mist project had some bearing on what occurred. There were many things happening in the area and not just on the Bentwaters and woodbridge bases... There's Orfordness and Bawdry too. All in clos proximity and all up to something. It is or paramount importance that this event is a REUNION ... conferences are ten a penny, this is something else entirely and i would like to see everyone represent themselves but understand why some are reticent to come forward but can tell you with 100% surety that there are more witnesses in the wings who are waiting to see how the land lies. You can understand their reluctance when you see the way witnesses are attacked and played. It is unfair. This is actually a human rights issue. Even if Halts claims regarding the third night being a result of extreme mind control techniques is true then we have from the horses mouth a breach of human rights. You are not contractually obliged to submit to these methods and therefore is against a persons will and in that instance i'm sure a class action could be instigated. However, the fact his tape is from the third night makes this a lie. John Burroughs can be heard in the background on this tape along with the other men...

I digress. I was once upon a time an events organizer, I have many friends who do the same. We have the equipment already and often put events on.. not of this ilk but thats regardless. I am in the UK and can easily organize everything on other peoples behalf and although i know not everyone will believe this but I really am not doing this for any accolade for myself but because this case is one of the most.. if not THE most significant and accessible military case there has ever been... Not to diss Roswell... This is still young, the people are alive and there isn't the stigma and fear attached there once was. I don't even know how it happened but I just seemed to find myself talking to and dealing with a lot of the people involved.. and being a bit of a dippy hippy, took it as an omen that I could maybe help in some way.

I have even stated in a post somewhere recently on here that I would have an open mike session for those who wouldn't ordinarily get the opportunity to speak and who've done some valid and indepth research into all possible reasons for these events to occurr.

There are two extremely prominent scientists who are willing to speak about what technology WE have could cause these anomolies.

I would urge anyone with any information and a thick skin and skull to come forward... There is safety in numbers and the more people who do come forward, the more chance the witnesses and survivors have of holding someone accountable for the radiation poisoning and retinal scarring caused by these objects seen... And we know it was radiation that caused these ailments that John and jim and Larry are still suffering from and I'm quite sure dreading any other possible manifestations in later life.

I'd also like to add that I am not just a researcher... I am a witness to an event which ruined me, changed me and my life forever. I tried to kill myself on a number of occassions, the isolation and the disbelief from those nearest and dearest to you is a hard pill to swallow. that was 13 years ago now and i manage to live with it, but only by involving myself in the way I do. I counsel witnesses, I am a voice for those who daren't speak out. I can't help myself. I can assure you regardless of other peoples assumptions about my motives that I am in fact 100% honest and absolutely respect the need for 100% integrity.

This is not a 'case' i'm working on.. I won't be moving onto another... I don't know why but this is it for me. I can't solve what happened to me although thankfully I have found the two other witnesses that were with me at the time, the third, John, sadly comitted suicide two years ago. He couldn't handle it. I'm as mad as a wasp in a bottle about what happened to us and have a fire that I can't even turn down never mind switch off. I can be forceful but do not mean to tread on anyones toes... I just felt that getting the ball rolling was the first step to motivating those who were struggling to get it together.

I spoke at length with John about how he would like the format, what his vision was, i still have all of those communications... I was merely trying to help him solidify it in his mind so we could work from there. I am sure John will back me up on this one. It's so important that new light is shed on what's going on now. There have been more revelations which are not public knowledge yet and If I were in this for the ego trip and accolade you'd all know about it by now. That is not who I am. This needs careful handling and any input would be gratefully received. This is your reunion, not mine, I wasn't there... but I am here now and am in a good position to make things happen. I have a lot of contacts in all areas of life who can also help in making this the single most important event in UK history. That sounds a bit big headed.. I know but it is a fact.

You will meet me one day, at the reunion if you come, any of you... You will know when we speak that I'm just driven, and I'd never betray a confidence and am true to myself and others. If i were the opposite of who I say I am then I really wouldn't have made it this far 'in' and would have been outed as a bandwagon jumper.

This happened in my country but it happened to you. I understand the emotional trauma having suffered from post traumatic stress disorder and an unbelieving family and friends... Glad to say that the family do (for the most part) believe me and I no longer associate with those friends who made my life more of a misery that it was.

Ok.. life story over. I just wanted you to get a handle on who I am. For those who think this is a public relations exercise.. I'd just like to say "We see things AS we are".

Sacha.

[John Burroughs]

To All
Peter Robins and I started talking about trying to put a reunion together last summer. I posted a blog and set out to try and contact as many people involved as possible. My idea was simple try and get everybody back together again talk about what happened and try and fill in the missing pieces!

After many months of trying it has become clear to me for many reasons the main people involved to not want to get together. The only way I beleive that will ever happen is if were all called before Congress.

As far as talking to Sacha what I just stated is what we talked about. As far as the radition goes some of us have had some problems one person name that has not been stated was the guy who handled the gieger counter on the 3rd night. Was it caused by the incident nobody knows for sure but it sure would be nice to find out.

As far as the rest of the story there is many reasons people have not come forword but I doubt the biggest one is the fact that the witnesses have been attacked and played. The fact is most of us can tell you what we saw and where it happened but we can't tell you what it was. It did not help that it came out that there were Ailiens in silver suits asking us to repair there ships that's for sure! The 2 things that stick out is it was somthing we or the Russian were doing or it was from somewhere else ie ET or just maybe it was both. The interesting thing to me is nobody from the government will step up and say what it was which could me there not sure also! The bottom line is most of the people involved don't want to get together. As far as Halt goes he has gone out of his way to first say I was not out there on his night then after his tape showed I was has tried to say I didnot meet up with his party. The funney thing is a interview he did with Robbins and Warren Halt let it slip that I did meet up with him. For some reason he does not want it out that Bustinza and I went forword and got close to what ever it was.

After many months of trying I truley beleive that none of the major people involved would be willing to get together. If by chance they did they would want to meet privately not in a open forum. It also would be next to impossible to get everybody together at the same time in the UK. Sacha has now steped forword on her own and says she is going to try. I wish her the best and if she can get the majority of the people involved interested in comming over and sitting down and trying to work this out then of course I would like to be involved. Until somthing changes Vaya Con Dios Amiga I wish you all the best....