Chris Armold's comments on Facebook

[stephan]

also ''interesting'' what Chris Armold has to say on the new fb site...

[Admin]

also ''interesting'' what Chris Armold has to say on the new fb site...

I couldn't find it Stephan. Could you perhaps post it up here, or in another thread if it's long?

[stephan]

here

[Admin]

Thanks, Stephan.

It's interesting that I was invited to join this group yet for some reason my posts seem to disappear. I'm a 20 year veteran of the USAF and a former member of the 81st SPS. I wandered around for two nights in the Rendlesham Forest chasing lights back in Dec, 1980. C'mon John, you and "Stopper" must remember. Hey John, care to explain why on Unsolved Mysteries you stated you were suddenly and unexpectedly sent to Korea from Bentwaters? Did you forget about your two years at Grissom AFB Indiana where you lived across the hall from me in the dorm. By the way, what is the injustice that you poor victims have suffered? What is the terrible fate you three have suffered at the hands of the government and the USAF because of your encounter? C'mon John explain how your chain of command left you high and dry.

Someone needs to explain to me exactly what these people consider to be unjust? One can't create a fantasy event and then claim injustice when people call bullshit on you. I was in 81st SPS, I was in the forest. What am I missing? Perhaps these poor unfortunate guys had an alien anal probe that affected their brains. That's certainly where there heads seem to be at!

You people who buy into this hoax need to ask these people some serious questions. Why is it these three people are the only people out of thousands who lived and worked at the twin bases to make such assertions? Why is it that the rest of us from 81 SPS and 81st TFW ignore them, laugh at them and make fun of them? They embarrass us because their bogus assertions make collectively stain the reputation of a great unit. Put me in front of anyone of of these poor justice starved guys and you'll soon discover they have zero credibility. Do not simply buy the rubbish these people are peddling without taking a very hard look at their stories. These guys took months if not years to create this myth. Had there been a real UFO there would be dozens of people standing together, not three goof-balls who can't even get on the same page.

And the best parts:

I was in 81st SPS, I was in the forest. What am I missing?

...only Armold came along afterwards. He wasn't a witness!

Why is it these three people are the only people out of thousands who lived and worked at the twin bases to make such assertions?

There are many more than three witnesses.

These guys took months if not years to create this myth.

The initial witness statements were taken days after the incident. Halt's memo just over two weeks later.

[Daniel]

What a nice guy. The stuff you pointed out Admin was exactely what I was thinking. May have been many out on the night, but they all couldn't be in the same area at the same time, or we would have heard more localised talking on the audio tape.

Still nice to see this event getting more attention. Even if we're getting more and more speculated data to try and debunk it all.

[stephan]

I have no idea who was when where but he raises some points to ponder about. I mean, he's not the only former member of the 81st who ''criticizes'' their stories. Why is it that others (like Englund and Steffens) who should long have spoken out - with the case now so popular that there would be no need for fear in regard to breaking the silence - have not done so ?

[Admin]

The stuff you pointed out Admin was exactely what I was thinking. May have been many out on the night, but they all couldn't be in the same area at the same time, or we would have heard more localised talking on the audio tape.

As far as I remember, Armold came out afterwards to see the landing site. Whatever it was that Cabansag, Burroughs and Penniston had seen, it was gone.

[puddlepirate]

Ref Chris Arnold's comments: At last! Someone who was there who is not afraid to speak his mind and bring some common sense to the whole event. His comments are very revealing and something this incident / forum has needed for a long time. Pity he won't be at the Woodbridge event on the 28th - or will he?

[Admin]

Armold is becoming inscreasingly frustrated it seems...

If you people are so serious about UFO's if you research the events and seriously believe they exist WHY are you diminishing the credibility of legitimate research by giving any credibility to these fraudsters? I challenge anyone to demonstrate or show me one single piece of evidence that conclusively proves that an alien spacecraft landed in the Rendlesham Forest. I live in the real world, the world of facts, proof and legitimacy. Nothing I've seen here, nothing I experience at Woodbridge, Burroughs, Halt, Penniston and the rest are unable to even get on the same page. Their versions of events change, evolve and become more desperate with each spinning of the tale.

You UFO types are your own worst enemies. No one will ever take you serious unless you self-police and expose those who are simply using your enthusiasm to make money or a name for themselves. Why is it you don't see Burroughs or Penniston challenging my words here? Kick that around for a few. I've posted probably a dozen comments here and almost no one has said anything. To me that speaks volumes about the quality of the people who buy into this hoax. Are you thinking, living, human beings or simply stupid sheep who are so desperate to believe in UFO's that you cling on to absolute bullshit? So far the latter seems to be the case.

In November 2001, Georgina Bruni wrote in response to James Easton:

Chris Armold's stories are well known to certain British researchers. They are a mixture of several events. I for one cannot except his stories because he admitted with a vengeance, his dislike for Halt and Burroughs, and all this is something you fail to mention when you use him as a debunking tool.

[puddlepirate]

Curiouser and curiouser - but irrespective of whether or not Chris Arnold dislikes Halt, JB or anyone else involved, his views are a refreshing change. He brings a different perspective to the debate - something necessary to maintain a balance (between those who were there) which, let's face, is somewhat biased towards a particular point of view. It's a pity he's not a contributor to this forum.

[Frank]

his views are a refreshing change. He brings a different perspective to the debate - something necessary to maintain a balance

So far he did not tell anything new, the only 'difference in perspective' I see is in the way he expresses it.

The only relevant fact in his messages is that he "wandered around for two nights in the Rendlesham Forest chasing lights", but there is no evidence whatsoever to back up his claim. In an earlier interview he stated that he went to the back gate on the first night after the events had passed and only went to the woods for a short period, so apparently his story has grown over the years..

His opinions about the men, about the events, and about UFO enthousiasts are very clear (and I agree with some of them), but facts and opinions are two very different things and only facts can make or break a case.

[IanR]

FACEBOOK PAGE –– THE MISSING MESSAGE

This is the first message that Chris Armold posted on the Justice for the 81st Facebook page, which was taken down in short order. I can understand why, given that it contains strong language. I have edited it to remove the offensive words, but otherwise it is unchanged.

“As a veteran of the 81st SPS I find it disgusting that Burroughs, Halt and Penniston are now "victims." These three guys are [deleted], total [deleted] who are seeking 15 minutes of fame. They can prove nothing and the reason is simple... none of the UFO/little green men rubbish they claim happened actually happened. I was there. I know the facts. I wandered around out in the forest on two occasions. I actually took photographs on the second night, the night Halt was running around with his tape player. I know the facts of this non-event. More importantly I'm vastly familiar with John Burroughs, a guys who's always been fast and loose with the truth. These three [deleted] make me sick with their "we're victims" crap. I challenge you three to an on-line Facebook debate, right here in your own backyard. Put up or shut the hell up because I'm calling you out right here on your own page.”

Jim explained that this was posted “in anger” but in fact Armold talks like this all the time.

[IanR]

Why is it that others (like Englund and Steffens) who should long have spoken out - with the case now so popular that there would be no need for fear in regard to breaking the silence - have not done so ?

Perhaps I can help here. I had promised myself I would keep out of this for the time being, but now there seems to be a new sense of realism on this Forum I will pass on the following from Armold:

“I was also out there the night of the recording, I took photographs (they were crap, just an occasional spot of light in a black background*)... England, Steffens and others are not interested in talking about this as the fact is there is nothing to talk about. This is a spun up tale with no real legs. Halt, Penniston and Burroughs have created a bogus event and people with way too much time on their hands and a lack of gray matter seem to give these dopes encouragement when none of them have ever substantiated anything. Hell, they can't get on the same page.

England, Steffens, and the hundred other people who were working that night will tell you the same thing. It's all bullshit. I'm not in contact with Bruce and he made it very clear to me that he has zero interest in this non-issue.”

Lt Buran, who was in charge at Central Security Control on the night of the first sighting, is of the same opinion as Armold, but he puts it more politely. I’ll let Buran tell you in his own words now that he is on this Forum.

So, John and Jim, it’s all falling apart and only six weeks before your party at Woodbridge. Better put a guard on the door in case Armold and his Heavy Metal friends try to gatecrash.

Ian

* In response to a question from me, Armold replied: “I would say that the lighthouse is a very obvious source of the lights, yes.”

[ncf1]

It seems to me like this guy himself is the attention-seeker. Overly aggressive, look-at-me type, its funny how the biggest detractors aren't level-headed but either extremely aggressive or extremely smug/arrogant -- all ego's just wanting to garner some attention onto themself.

[ncf1]

This is the biggest event for the RFI perhaps ever -- why dont't people like Armold, Ian etc al simply show up and thrash it out? Ian's been making money off of them for ages now so its his *duty* to do so, if indeed he really was a seeker of truth. A proper, face-to-face debate, look at each other right in the face. It's all too easy otherwise. You all need to go there, John and Jim have gone to lengths setting this all up, why comment and soforth if you have no intention of having the nuts to front up? Why?

Attention, that's why. No other reason. You either want to know the truth or you don't.

[Frank]

I was also out there the night of the recording, I took photographs

I was there. I know the facts. I wandered around out in the forest on two occasions. I actually took photographs on the second night, the night Halt was running around with his tape player.

Where is the evidence? He is not mentioned in any of the documents on the case. There is not a single witness who confirms he was there. He is not on Halt's tape. You should apply the same standards to his testimony as you do to that of the other witnesses.

[puddlepirate]

But where is the evidence for anything else? There is no evidence for any of it. Chris Arnold might be an attention seeker but he's an attention seeker from the other side of the fence. His views are as valid as those of anyone else who was there at the time. Simply because he doesn't hold back is no reason for his view not to be listened to and given due consideration.

[Deep Purple]

Strange Chris Arnold has only just started squeaking now!
Hallmarks of the Rendlesham Disinformation Campaign. Halt has a version & and JB and others are due to visit the UK soon.
Nice time to start squeaking
Chris has never spoken about this before to my knowledge, what is his interest in the matter, why now? who is behing him?
Is he even real? Why facebook? Why the sudden onset of " Holier than thou". Has someone pressed his button?
Do not take things at face value

[Daniel]

He sound's like an arse, but I agree with PP, be nice to know his full story for the third night. When listening to the tape I had the full impression Lt Englund was taking the pictures, but no name was given when requesting a picture to be taken. Still there were so many people out there that night that other things were being done.

I can also understand why some people don't come forward to tell their story; they would have to go through all this crap, which isn't easy nor fun. Col Halt would probably not be here if his audio tape was never released, thus this story would not have as much attention that it currently has.

This will and always be my favourite case, and in my opinion we'll still be debating this for many years to come.

[Frank]

But where is the evidence for anything else? There is no evidence for any of it.

There is ample evidence that three men encountered an unkown mechanical object/lights on the first night and that a group of men encoutered moving lights plus fast moving objects with lights on them, on the third night. A real-time tape recording shows that one of these objects emitted a beam that came down at their feet, which very much disturbed the men. In a cover letter to the MOD this case is called a UFO event.

There is no hard evidence that this was an ET encounter and there also is no hard evidence for the 45 min. investigation of Jim touching the craft. On the other hand, the evidence for it being merely a lighthouse and some stars is totally unconvincing.
Several primary witnesses claim that what they saw was under intelligent control and could not be "our" technology. That is what makes this case interesting.

That is the status of this case in my opinion - no more, no less.

A person who suddenly appears, claiming he was there and knows the facts without any evidence that he actually was there does not change much to this case. He is right about the lack of evidence that this is an ET encounter and about the attitude of many UFO enthousiasts - tell me something new. I hope he can add more solid facts to this case and I am very curious about the reaction of Jim, John & Halt.