The Fourth Night

[pupil88]

Hi JB,

To clear up some confusion, would you subscribe to the following days when some incident occured:

25/26-Thursday/Friday- Burroughs, Penniston, Cabansac

26/27-Friday/Saturday- shift commander relieved of duty "was freaked out by the beams of light that lit up her vehicle and the blue lights that and i quote the report that passed threw her vehicle and caused her vehicle to shut down. They also lost radio contact with her for over 10 min."...

27/28-Saturday/ Sunday- Halt and his team

28/29-Sunday/Monday- Warren's encounter

[robert]

Pupil

I think we are told that LW and Colonel Halt were out on the same night. Possibly a good distance away from each other.

Robert

[Robert McLean]

Pupil

I think we are told that LW and Colonel Halt were out on the same night. Possibly a good distance away from each other.

Robert

Let's be realistic here. The eastern edge of the forest where all these events took place is not that large. At night, it is very quiet out there.

Although there is uncertainty over where events took place, if Halt and Larry Warren were at two separate locations, these locations couldn't have been more than about 300 m apart. With flashlights, lanterns and lightalls in the forest and all the noise of people make moving about, movement of vehicles, etc, there is no way there could have been another parallel investigation without Halt or others having known about it.

There is no reason to believe either that Halt is not essentially telling the truth or that his tape was edited or concocted somehow.

There are also very good reasons to believe that LW really was out there that night because he revealed to researchers some aspects or events which were not in the public domain at the time and that were subsequently confirmed as having happened during Halt's investigation.

This leads to the conclusion that LW must have been involved that night, for example, when they were setting up the lightalls in the forest clearing (which according to Col. Halt was before he became aware of what was going on out there, about 8 pm), that he probably heard radio communications between Halt's team and others, and that he may have had some view of Halt's investigation of the landing site.

[robert]

Hi Guys,

Did we ever get at what time LW was sent back to base.

I notice, Robert,you said he was probably out there before Halt.

The guy that came in to tell Halt at the party 'it was back' must have had a sighting or did he get his information fron someone who was already out there checking things out?

Robert

[robert]

Robert Mc,

Just one other thing, are we saying that the lightalls were already out there? Why?

And do we assume Halt was out there from just after 2000hrs to 0300hrs the next morning.

It took him 7 hours to establish the origin of some lights? Why?

Robert

[pupil88]

I never believed it was the same night.

Bustinza could not be in two places at the same time.

[John Burroughs]

There was never a forth night. On the third night is when the lightalls were taken out there not sure when they took them out there. The reason why you never heard them was they would not work and we had troble with our radios on all 3 nights. Bustinza could have brought out the lightalls and then stayed with Halts party once it formed up. They could have even put the lightalls out just in case somthing happened again Im sure they were statring to wonder what was going on after 2 nights in a row and the fact the shift commander was so shook up from the second night. There was never a forth night just 3 nights.

[pupil88]

Hi all,

It's apparent that none of you have read Larry Warren's book. Bustinza was at a UFO site with Warren. A craft " appeared" on the field. This was after the ' aspirin' exploded. Warren was dismissed after a while, but Bustinza remained on duty until the craft flew away. All of the subsequent meetings with "suits" followed later in the morning which would have been Dec. 29.

JB, What did you do the morning of Dec. 28, after everyone left with Halt? Did you attend meetings?

Warren was with Bustinza when they took light-alls to the sight I mentioned and not to Halt's site. Lt.Englund was with them. M/Sgt Ball was there. Major Ziegler was there and not at a party.

It appears that Warren agreed that it happened on the same night as Halt is that was the only way he could get his case stated.

[John Burroughs]

No meetings I went home I was not on duty. I returned to duty on Monday swing shift.

[pupil88]

Hi JB,

Were you on the gates the day the large cargo plane came in carrying an investigatory team? If so, what was the date?

[pupil88]

From- Left At East Gate (latest edition)
Capt. Verrano wrote

There were definitely three nights of UFO incidents. C flight shift worked the first two nights. D flight rotated back on the 28th, The logbook for the month and plans and blotters were missing after D flight’s first night after break, I think because the sightings that night involved far too many people to fully contain.

Verrano confirmed that Warren’s account started on Dec. 28.. Halt after denying it and trying to contain it, attempted to conflate two events into one.

T..Egercic operated the net radio transmissions after midnight. He said that for four nights there were strange lights over Rendlesham Forest..

My initial posting stands confirmed.

25/26-Thursday/Friday- Burroughs, Penniston, Cabansac

26/27-Friday/Saturday- shift commander relieved of duty "was freaked out by the beams of light that lit up her vehicle and the blue lights that “ passed threw her vehicle and caused her vehicle to shut down. They also lost radio contact with her for over 10 min."”.

27/28-Saturday/ Sunday- Halt and his team

28/29-Sunday/Monday- Warren's encounter

[pupil88]

HI st,

Forget the documentaries.Go to the latest ed. of the book.A lot of those docs are distorted and made up on the spot.
I called Warren out to address exactly what your saying. I haven't seen a post from him since. Robbins has come on as his alter-ego. Halt tried to cover up Warren's involvement, distorted the dates, etc. He felt over time the whole thing would go away.The biggest clue is Bustinza. He was with Halt on 27/28. He was out there with Burroughs chasing lights.He was with Warren on 28/29.He saw the UFO take off.

[pupil88]

On June 1992, Peter Robbins phoned C. Halt for the first time. On page 328 of Left at East Gate, updated edition, Peter Robbins is talking to Charles Halt on the phone. Halt had been castigating Larry Warren and said his story was too radical and implicated Col. Williams who was not there.

PR: Ok. In late 1982, Larry Warren met Larry Fawcett.. By early ’83, Larry gave him an extended statement...It involved the approximate time of the incident.

CH: Which incident? There are three nights.

Confirmation! There were THREE nights of UFO activity. JB’s addition of 26/27, was not a significant event.

From Left at East Gate, Capt Mike Verrano continues: “ I did drive Williams to an F16 on the Bentwaters tarmac the am of the 30th. He had two canisters of 3.5mm footage with him, bagged in a T.S.(Top Secret) satchel. He told me directly that it was actual footage of the UFOs etc on the ground..That film was shot on your night ( Warren’s) in the forest. The film went to USAFE, West Germany, that day....There were definitely three nights of UFO incidents.”