Hi all
I have been meaning to post this for some time but i had one or two things to clear up first.
It is my personel opinion that we will never find out what happened in Rendlesham Forest. This forum is approximately 3 years old and we are no nearer the truth now to when we started.
I think that the only way this mystery will ever get solved is for some one who knows what happened to come out of the wood work and tell us.
Pigs might fly?
Most of the posts have been interesting and there have been some threads that looked like they were going to move us on, but most so far have hit a brick wall. I must admit that some of the posts although interesting are not really contributing to this enquiry in a positive way.
We have had our arguments and disagreements and some times they have been robust but then that's what a forum is for.
I have not lost hope and will keep an eye on the forum but quite honestly i've run out of any thing useful to say.
Let's have some new ideas, you never know, it might move us on.
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by Observer » Sat May 17, 2008 1:41 pm
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by puddlepirate » Sat May 17, 2008 2:32 pm
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I've expressed similar sentiments in the past. We seem to be going round in circles. A theory here, a theory there but nothing of any real substance. Also, it it were something of a disciplinary nature, internal to the USAF, then we will never find out - and to be honest, do we need to?
That said, last night I was TV channel hopping in a vain attempt at finding something interest to watch. I happened upon a UK show that features UK county police forces in action. In many scenes a police helocopter was brought in and in one night-time shot, an image taken from below the helo was shown but all you could see of the helicopter was a triangle of three white lights with a red/orange light in the centre, almost exaclty the same image as many UFO sightings!
I suddenly thought about the RFI and in particular Hollelsey Bay prison and the apparent raised state of alert at the prison.
Perhaps the alert wasn't because of an imminent attack at all. It might have been because of an escape. I've no idea of the category of prisoner being held at Hollesley Bay in 1980 but perhaps they had a really bad boy taken into secure custody, pending his appearance in court after the holidays - and whoever this was, decided he wanted out so escaped, or perhaps was sprung by accomplices, with the result that the odd lights and (searchlight?) beams coming down etc were in response to a search for the escapee(s)? Would Suffolk constabulary have asked the USAF for assistance with a manhunt in the forest?
Of course this doesn't explain much of what happened nor does it explain the craft that Penniston drew or events described in the witness statements but it does, or at least goes someway towards, provide a reasonable explanation, for lots of people searching the forest, odd lights in the sky, beams of light coming down, a roadblock and other bits and pieces. Quite why an escape would be kept hugely secret I've no idea but remember George Blake. Maybe the Soviets sprung one of their agents or something.....(Blake was allegedly sprung by an Irishman and flower in a pot was left in the cell as a kind of calling card).
Maybe, just maybe Suffolk Constabulary mounted a manhunt and were going about their business but didn't inform the USAF because there was no need to. The USAF spot odd lights and decide to investigate....
And when Suffolk police are asked did they receive reports about odd lights, downed UFO's etc in the forest, they reply with a truthful 'nope, don't know anything about that'. It's all in the question that was asked, not the answer received.
Probably another b/s theory - but what the heck. It'll do until something sensible comes along....
I've expressed similar sentiments in the past. We seem to be going round in circles. A theory here, a theory there but nothing of any real substance. Also, it it were something of a disciplinary nature, internal to the USAF, then we will never find out - and to be honest, do we need to?
That said, last night I was TV channel hopping in a vain attempt at finding something interest to watch. I happened upon a UK show that features UK county police forces in action. In many scenes a police helocopter was brought in and in one night-time shot, an image taken from below the helo was shown but all you could see of the helicopter was a triangle of three white lights with a red/orange light in the centre, almost exaclty the same image as many UFO sightings!
I suddenly thought about the RFI and in particular Hollelsey Bay prison and the apparent raised state of alert at the prison.
Perhaps the alert wasn't because of an imminent attack at all. It might have been because of an escape. I've no idea of the category of prisoner being held at Hollesley Bay in 1980 but perhaps they had a really bad boy taken into secure custody, pending his appearance in court after the holidays - and whoever this was, decided he wanted out so escaped, or perhaps was sprung by accomplices, with the result that the odd lights and (searchlight?) beams coming down etc were in response to a search for the escapee(s)? Would Suffolk constabulary have asked the USAF for assistance with a manhunt in the forest?
Of course this doesn't explain much of what happened nor does it explain the craft that Penniston drew or events described in the witness statements but it does, or at least goes someway towards, provide a reasonable explanation, for lots of people searching the forest, odd lights in the sky, beams of light coming down, a roadblock and other bits and pieces. Quite why an escape would be kept hugely secret I've no idea but remember George Blake. Maybe the Soviets sprung one of their agents or something.....(Blake was allegedly sprung by an Irishman and flower in a pot was left in the cell as a kind of calling card).
Maybe, just maybe Suffolk Constabulary mounted a manhunt and were going about their business but didn't inform the USAF because there was no need to. The USAF spot odd lights and decide to investigate....
And when Suffolk police are asked did they receive reports about odd lights, downed UFO's etc in the forest, they reply with a truthful 'nope, don't know anything about that'. It's all in the question that was asked, not the answer received.
Probably another b/s theory - but what the heck. It'll do until something sensible comes along....
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Statute of unLimitations
by unMutual » Sat May 17, 2008 3:55 pm
When we solve this one, then other cases may also make sense. The 4-Minute Mile: Once it was broken, there were several more sub-4 miles in the same year. Maybe Rendlesham is our '4-minute mile'.
These UFOs can morph. They can appear conventional, or appear as whatever the witnesses are prepared to accept within their rational framework. In 1917 Fatima, it was the 'Virgin Mary'. Today, it is a 'space ship'.
The NSA would love for people to lose interest and stop seeking information. I believe the NSA is very frustrated about not having complete control over these entities. No government wants to admit that UFOs can literally fly circles around their missiles. The NSA is dealing with something that is far more 'intelligent' - something that can play their chess game and a thousand other games all at the same time and several moves ahead. Perhaps the phenomenon is a feedback mechanism of some sort and is playing the 'silly games' as a stimulus to human curiosity. Maybe organizations like the NSA ARE THE TARGET. If we stop asking questions and seeking information, then disinformation organizations have achieved one less check-and-balance. If it were not for Rendlesham, how long would it have been before citizens discovered that nuclear weapons were being stored on their soil?
Like an unsolved murder, there should be no statute of limitations for Rendlesham. The mystery should be formally recognized as unsolved until further notice.
These UFOs can morph. They can appear conventional, or appear as whatever the witnesses are prepared to accept within their rational framework. In 1917 Fatima, it was the 'Virgin Mary'. Today, it is a 'space ship'.
The NSA would love for people to lose interest and stop seeking information. I believe the NSA is very frustrated about not having complete control over these entities. No government wants to admit that UFOs can literally fly circles around their missiles. The NSA is dealing with something that is far more 'intelligent' - something that can play their chess game and a thousand other games all at the same time and several moves ahead. Perhaps the phenomenon is a feedback mechanism of some sort and is playing the 'silly games' as a stimulus to human curiosity. Maybe organizations like the NSA ARE THE TARGET. If we stop asking questions and seeking information, then disinformation organizations have achieved one less check-and-balance. If it were not for Rendlesham, how long would it have been before citizens discovered that nuclear weapons were being stored on their soil?
Like an unsolved murder, there should be no statute of limitations for Rendlesham. The mystery should be formally recognized as unsolved until further notice.
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by Observer » Sat May 17, 2008 4:23 pm
PuddleP
Thanks for that, at least its another idea to look at failing any thing else.
I was under the impression that the local prison was on EVAC standby rather than a heightened state of alert or maybe they are the same thing?
There were no Police Helicopters in service from what i can remember in 1980, but may be wrong. Often RAF/RN and some times civilian/company owned choppers were used to help in Police operations. Would they call for USAF help? Bristow helicopters were based just up the road near Gt Yarmouth and were used for North Sea oil rig work. I do know that these were on the go even at Christmas. Now there's a thought.
There must be a paper trail to the senario you suggest?
Perhaps obtainable under the FOA.
Hollesley Bay and other local penal units were not high security and HB was only one step up from borstal status, so i guess any body of importance would not be there. If an inmate had done a 'runner', his status would be low because his conviction would have been 'petty' for that prison.
As you say, perhaps we don't need to know what happened because it was an internal USAF thing that will never see the light of day.
LW pointed out an interesting snippet when he said that nobody above the rank of Lt Col [Halt] has seen fit to get involved [at least on a regular basis] maybe with the exception of Lord Hill Norton at that time.
Apparently, all ranks above Halt who were there or were associated with the incident have declined to be interviewed. Is this significant or is it just below their dignity?
Obs
Thanks for that, at least its another idea to look at failing any thing else.
I was under the impression that the local prison was on EVAC standby rather than a heightened state of alert or maybe they are the same thing?
There were no Police Helicopters in service from what i can remember in 1980, but may be wrong. Often RAF/RN and some times civilian/company owned choppers were used to help in Police operations. Would they call for USAF help? Bristow helicopters were based just up the road near Gt Yarmouth and were used for North Sea oil rig work. I do know that these were on the go even at Christmas. Now there's a thought.
There must be a paper trail to the senario you suggest?
Perhaps obtainable under the FOA.
Hollesley Bay and other local penal units were not high security and HB was only one step up from borstal status, so i guess any body of importance would not be there. If an inmate had done a 'runner', his status would be low because his conviction would have been 'petty' for that prison.
As you say, perhaps we don't need to know what happened because it was an internal USAF thing that will never see the light of day.
LW pointed out an interesting snippet when he said that nobody above the rank of Lt Col [Halt] has seen fit to get involved [at least on a regular basis] maybe with the exception of Lord Hill Norton at that time.
Apparently, all ranks above Halt who were there or were associated with the incident have declined to be interviewed. Is this significant or is it just below their dignity?
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by IanR » Sat May 17, 2008 5:54 pm
Observer wrote:There must be a paper trail to the senario you suggest? Perhaps obtainable under the FOA.
Hollesley Bay and other local penal units were not high security and HB was only one step up from borstal status, so i guess any body of importance would not be there. If an inmate had done a 'runner', his status would be low because his conviction would have been 'petty' for that prison.
Lord Hill-Norton tried to get something out of the MoD about Hollesley in his correspondence with them in 2001
http://www.mod.uk/NR/rdonlyres/B4FFAB40 ... orton1.pdf
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by Observer » Sat May 17, 2008 6:23 pm
Thanks Ian
I had seen some of this before but its quite refreshing to re read it.
Hill Norton was a good ally to all concerned. Its a pity he is no longer around as i'm sure he would approve of this forum.
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I had seen some of this before but its quite refreshing to re read it.
Hill Norton was a good ally to all concerned. Its a pity he is no longer around as i'm sure he would approve of this forum.
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by Deep Purple » Sat May 17, 2008 7:58 pm
Halt said to Georgini Bruni that she would never find out the truth.
I suspect that the forum is subject to disinformation to keep us going around in circles. All it needs is a gentle nudge here and there and we are off the scent.
The truth is probably along the lines that drunken ARRS pilots hitched up the Apollo capsule for a joke, maybe with people in it and where going to land it on the base somewhere unexpected. Pissed as farts a helo with a heavy under slung load would be a nightmare to control acting like a huge pendulmn. The capsule may have had its lights on. This would explain why people at the hopsital some miles away saw strange lights moving back and forth. The capsule and helo got into trouble and the capsule was jettisoned over the forest. The thought that US service personnel where flying around playing drunken pranks in the cold war era could be enourmsly damaging. This was the era of the Greenham common peace campainers.
So they needed a cover up. A ufo story would fit nicely.
Later on Stealth Arrived in the area--- check Ben Riches book Skunk Works--- he was head of it.
So you use an existing myth/ cover up to cover the new arrival of a very strange black triangular aircraft in the area. Its called killing two birds with one stone. This was why the Halt memo surfaced years later. I suspect the tape and memo where a complete fabrication, but who knows
I suspect that the forum is subject to disinformation to keep us going around in circles. All it needs is a gentle nudge here and there and we are off the scent.
The truth is probably along the lines that drunken ARRS pilots hitched up the Apollo capsule for a joke, maybe with people in it and where going to land it on the base somewhere unexpected. Pissed as farts a helo with a heavy under slung load would be a nightmare to control acting like a huge pendulmn. The capsule may have had its lights on. This would explain why people at the hopsital some miles away saw strange lights moving back and forth. The capsule and helo got into trouble and the capsule was jettisoned over the forest. The thought that US service personnel where flying around playing drunken pranks in the cold war era could be enourmsly damaging. This was the era of the Greenham common peace campainers.
So they needed a cover up. A ufo story would fit nicely.
Later on Stealth Arrived in the area--- check Ben Riches book Skunk Works--- he was head of it.
So you use an existing myth/ cover up to cover the new arrival of a very strange black triangular aircraft in the area. Its called killing two birds with one stone. This was why the Halt memo surfaced years later. I suspect the tape and memo where a complete fabrication, but who knows
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by puddlepirate » Sat May 17, 2008 8:39 pm
I don't want to stray too far off topic but Hollesley Bay is only one of several prisons in the area and the others held some very nasty people indeed (see Essex Boys and the drugs murders).
I doubt if we will ever resolve what really happened and if it was something internal to the USAF then we certainly won't but with our combined knowledge we could construct a fantasy, something truly outstanding which nobody could deny unless they came up with proof that we were wrong. Take it to the edge and flush out the enemy, that's my view.
I doubt if we will ever resolve what really happened and if it was something internal to the USAF then we certainly won't but with our combined knowledge we could construct a fantasy, something truly outstanding which nobody could deny unless they came up with proof that we were wrong. Take it to the edge and flush out the enemy, that's my view.
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by Observer » Sat May 17, 2008 10:24 pm
Deep Purple
Your explanation was almost the same as my article, The Crucial Reason.
As for stealth aircraft in the area, i realy have no proof that they ever visited either base, but Graham Haynes has a much greater knowledge of aviation movements [historical] at the twin bases than most of us.
I don't think the inmates at Hollesley Bay Prison no matter how nasty they were had any thing to do with this incident.
Escaped prisoners usually get media attention through the Police, well they did when i worked for the Police. I think to pursue this any further is futile.
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Your explanation was almost the same as my article, The Crucial Reason.
As for stealth aircraft in the area, i realy have no proof that they ever visited either base, but Graham Haynes has a much greater knowledge of aviation movements [historical] at the twin bases than most of us.
I don't think the inmates at Hollesley Bay Prison no matter how nasty they were had any thing to do with this incident.
Escaped prisoners usually get media attention through the Police, well they did when i worked for the Police. I think to pursue this any further is futile.
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by Observer » Sun May 18, 2008 7:52 am
Good idea Puddle
Most of our theories so far have been fantasy to a point.
I have often wondered if we should do this and see who picks up on it.
Do we direct it towards specific people or leave open.
That remark by Halt to Bruni that she would never find out is interesting.
Do you think his remark implies that he knew what had happened or it was just a general remark which included him? He never said we will never find out, just you will never find out, which is significant in my view.
One of our topics/threads some time ago got their attention and i think it was no coincidence. I suspect that one of us got close and i also suspect like deep purple said, there is a disinformation campaign going on.
Quite who is doing this is not clear. Perhaps your right puddle re it being an internal USAF matter, but any ideas you have i will support.
A bit of carrot dangling might work.
Obs
Most of our theories so far have been fantasy to a point.
I have often wondered if we should do this and see who picks up on it.
Do we direct it towards specific people or leave open.
That remark by Halt to Bruni that she would never find out is interesting.
Do you think his remark implies that he knew what had happened or it was just a general remark which included him? He never said we will never find out, just you will never find out, which is significant in my view.
One of our topics/threads some time ago got their attention and i think it was no coincidence. I suspect that one of us got close and i also suspect like deep purple said, there is a disinformation campaign going on.
Quite who is doing this is not clear. Perhaps your right puddle re it being an internal USAF matter, but any ideas you have i will support.
A bit of carrot dangling might work.
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by puddlepirate » Sun May 18, 2008 4:32 pm
We'd need to keep away from the 'd' word.....and to be fair, if it was anything to do with that then it would be an internal USAF matter, of no interested to anyone else. So where does that leave us:
We've got several options -
a. A prank - also probably an internal USAF issue so not really of interest to anyone outside the USAF
b. Espionage
c. Something from an aircraft, highly classified and very contentious. Likely to cause a public outcry if whatever it was became public knowledge. This must put 'it' in the realm of nuclear, bio or chem weapons. I favour chem - I believe the US was supplying Iraq with bio/chem technology at this time (hence the WMD fiasco that led to the invasion of Iraq) and that bio/chem weapons were being transported through the twin bases....
d. Prison break - not of a regular naughty boy but something a tad more prosaic. A Soviet agent - perhaps held outside London because of the George Blake affair. A small Spetznaz team come ashore, spring the agent and head back to the beach. Now this is something that would defiinitely involve a Soviet submarine lying offshore. It's pretty normal practice to put agents/small raiding parties ashore from submarines - not nuclear boats but the smaller diesel/electric patrol submarines. Simply put canoes or inflatables on the casing, dive the boat then let them row ashore and it's a simple procedure to pick them up afterwards....
e. Cruise - something involving deployment of lorry mounted cruise missile launchers - and if you look back over the video clips of Woodbridge shown in one of the posts, you will see an image that shows two white missiles in a truck mounted launcher, parked near a chain link fence....
In terms of dit spinning, I favour c or d and in particular, c - a major cock-up involving a chem weapon. Massive and hugely embarrassing public row if the accident became known to the public. An accident with a chem would require a cover up and a huge clean up/decontamination exercise....
Hence the disinformation, the numbers of personnel in the forest, the mysterious Galaxy Starlifter and the personnel that came with it, stuff being flown out, road block, mist, feelings of disorientation, geiger counter readings.....the whole kit and caboodle. Some kind of mind-altering chem weapon, designed not to kill but to disorientate and thus render useless, the enemy force.
We've got several options -
a. A prank - also probably an internal USAF issue so not really of interest to anyone outside the USAF
b. Espionage
c. Something from an aircraft, highly classified and very contentious. Likely to cause a public outcry if whatever it was became public knowledge. This must put 'it' in the realm of nuclear, bio or chem weapons. I favour chem - I believe the US was supplying Iraq with bio/chem technology at this time (hence the WMD fiasco that led to the invasion of Iraq) and that bio/chem weapons were being transported through the twin bases....
d. Prison break - not of a regular naughty boy but something a tad more prosaic. A Soviet agent - perhaps held outside London because of the George Blake affair. A small Spetznaz team come ashore, spring the agent and head back to the beach. Now this is something that would defiinitely involve a Soviet submarine lying offshore. It's pretty normal practice to put agents/small raiding parties ashore from submarines - not nuclear boats but the smaller diesel/electric patrol submarines. Simply put canoes or inflatables on the casing, dive the boat then let them row ashore and it's a simple procedure to pick them up afterwards....
e. Cruise - something involving deployment of lorry mounted cruise missile launchers - and if you look back over the video clips of Woodbridge shown in one of the posts, you will see an image that shows two white missiles in a truck mounted launcher, parked near a chain link fence....
In terms of dit spinning, I favour c or d and in particular, c - a major cock-up involving a chem weapon. Massive and hugely embarrassing public row if the accident became known to the public. An accident with a chem would require a cover up and a huge clean up/decontamination exercise....
Hence the disinformation, the numbers of personnel in the forest, the mysterious Galaxy Starlifter and the personnel that came with it, stuff being flown out, road block, mist, feelings of disorientation, geiger counter readings.....the whole kit and caboodle. Some kind of mind-altering chem weapon, designed not to kill but to disorientate and thus render useless, the enemy force.
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by Observer » Sun May 18, 2008 6:36 pm
I like the chem idea and there is a small amount of supporting evidence as there is for a nuke, stealth, Apollo, Etc.
Any Soviet Agent in captivity in the UK would be in the CAT 'A' section of the prison and in solitary, plus on suicide watch. This was standard practice for these sorts of internments. This i do know about as i had lectures on it and it would make a 'bust' virtually impossible.
Another one we could use is the Apollo capsule theory only the more recent one that has the sinister twist.
I guess your idea is to bring them out of the wood work shouting.
I think Halt is at the centre of this mystery in as much that he either knows and can't tell for security reasons or he is part of the disinformation Mafia.
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Any Soviet Agent in captivity in the UK would be in the CAT 'A' section of the prison and in solitary, plus on suicide watch. This was standard practice for these sorts of internments. This i do know about as i had lectures on it and it would make a 'bust' virtually impossible.
Another one we could use is the Apollo capsule theory only the more recent one that has the sinister twist.
I guess your idea is to bring them out of the wood work shouting.
I think Halt is at the centre of this mystery in as much that he either knows and can't tell for security reasons or he is part of the disinformation Mafia.
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by puddlepirate » Sun May 18, 2008 6:43 pm
I don't really believe in the sprung agent idea but remember that one of the most famous of all such cases was that of George Blake. Go here for details:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/date ... 135206.stm
Don't think it can't happen - it can and it did!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/date ... 135206.stm
Don't think it can't happen - it can and it did!
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Halt's statements to Georgina Bruni
by Robert8982007 » Sun May 18, 2008 8:49 pm
Here is a quote of Georgina concerning Halt on page 238 of Georgina's book: "He said what he and others had experienced out in Rendlesham Forest was so extraordinary that if the public were made fully aware of the circumstances it would completely change the way people look at reality and the nature of the universe."
There you have an assessment of this event from an eye witness who is somewhat of an insider (although still not high enough to fully have access to all the information he needs to know all the facts) stating his conclusion as to what he saw. It seems to me to be obvious that in Colonel Halt's mind at least that (UNLESS HE WAS LYING) what he and many others saw was not a joke or capsule which he should have quickly recognized or any other object that experienced military observers could reasonably comprehend and assess.
There you have an assessment of this event from an eye witness who is somewhat of an insider (although still not high enough to fully have access to all the information he needs to know all the facts) stating his conclusion as to what he saw. It seems to me to be obvious that in Colonel Halt's mind at least that (UNLESS HE WAS LYING) what he and many others saw was not a joke or capsule which he should have quickly recognized or any other object that experienced military observers could reasonably comprehend and assess.
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by AdrianF » Sun May 18, 2008 9:22 pm
So you use an existing myth/ cover up to cover the new arrival of a very strange black triangular aircraft in the area. Its called killing two birds with one stone. This was why the Halt memo surfaced years later.
Deep Purple
That general idea, might explain the suspect reasons for the memo to appear via the US Gov./MOD. If you were looking to keep a UFO looking, top secret aircraft underwraps, what would you do when people come asking questions about UFO's around US air bases? Going out of your way to give them what they want, letting the UFO stories grow would be a good start.
Still doesn't deal with what the witnesses say they saw though.
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by Wolf » Sun May 18, 2008 9:24 pm
As I think I've said before. If someone (Bush, Williams, Halt or whoever) stood on the Whitehouse steps and said -
"In Dec 1980 'this' happened at RAF Woodbridge in the UK" would we believe them?
Some people would, but if they said it was a prank people would think what are they tring to cover up.
If they said an alien spacegraft from the planet "Smailliw" crashed in the forest and the USAFE helped fix it, people would think why did they tell us that, what else happened, what are they tring to cover up.
Unless a good pool of reliable (uncorrupted) witnesses were found and a complete associated paper trial (which given most scanrios would be blocked or heavily censored by the FOIA) then it would still leave 'grey' areas, which would still leave gateways for conjecture and speculation.
Really its a no win situation, but I'm sure that the discussion within the group can at least move things forward a few steps and you never know, somone may dig up a great new lead or 'two'.
V/R
Wolf
"In Dec 1980 'this' happened at RAF Woodbridge in the UK" would we believe them?
Some people would, but if they said it was a prank people would think what are they tring to cover up.
If they said an alien spacegraft from the planet "Smailliw" crashed in the forest and the USAFE helped fix it, people would think why did they tell us that, what else happened, what are they tring to cover up.
Unless a good pool of reliable (uncorrupted) witnesses were found and a complete associated paper trial (which given most scanrios would be blocked or heavily censored by the FOIA) then it would still leave 'grey' areas, which would still leave gateways for conjecture and speculation.
Really its a no win situation, but I'm sure that the discussion within the group can at least move things forward a few steps and you never know, somone may dig up a great new lead or 'two'.
V/R
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by Observer » Sun May 18, 2008 9:53 pm
Robert
Thanks for bringing that piece up again out of Georgia's book.
It was a profound remark.
I am close to having gone full circle on this mystery and after 3 years of almost no progress, i am now thinking that this incident was not of this world or at least nothing that science can explain.
Larry Warren i think has been the most honest guy in this whole thing and his book was a revelation in his courage to say what he saw.
He paid the price.
Maybe one day some one will have the courage to tell us, but i don't think we are ready for it just yet.
I'm sure there will be people who will disagree, but i don't care any more as my belief now is that the incident is unexplainable.
Observer
Thanks for bringing that piece up again out of Georgia's book.
It was a profound remark.
I am close to having gone full circle on this mystery and after 3 years of almost no progress, i am now thinking that this incident was not of this world or at least nothing that science can explain.
Larry Warren i think has been the most honest guy in this whole thing and his book was a revelation in his courage to say what he saw.
He paid the price.
Maybe one day some one will have the courage to tell us, but i don't think we are ready for it just yet.
I'm sure there will be people who will disagree, but i don't care any more as my belief now is that the incident is unexplainable.
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by puddlepirate » Sun May 18, 2008 10:46 pm
I am close to having gone full circle on this mystery and after 3 years of almost no progress, i am now thinking that this incident was not of this world or at least nothing that science can explain.
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It's all down to 'need to know' and we have no need to know. We would all like to know but we have no need to know. Whether it was a prank, an accident with a weapon, an escapee or an alien craft it matters not one jot. As you said, you've spent three years on this and are no further forward now than you were on day one. What it comes down to it all that really matters is what each of us, as individuals, wants to believe. I prefer a more rational, down to earth explanation and it is my belief that if something did happen then it involved a highly classified weapon of some kind but that doesn't mean I am right. I suspect you would prefer it to be an alien craft. So be it - that isn't wrong nor any less valid and an alien craft fits the witness statements.
Science has always been held back by non-believers. Heck, we'd still think the earth was flat if it wasn't for those willing to challenge the status quo......
The trouble is, how on earth (so to speak!) can it be proved it was an alien craft? How can we break down what we know into a sensible evaluation of such an event?
You can fool all of the people some of the time and some of the people all of the time but you cannot fool all of the people all of the time (Winston Churchill)...causa latet, vis est notissima
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