Rendle Sham

[ncf1]

Just reading on Jim's explanation on page 101, interpreting the code -- its the same thing, mission, purpose to contact us, research, etc.

[Frank]

Don't think George Boole would be happy with you Frank .

At the risk of making things too complicated: I think George Boole wouldn't mind.
There is a big difference between Boolean algebra (logical operations that operate on two values: 'True' and 'False') and Binary numbers (numbers based on 2 instead of 10, that are constructed with 0's and 1's, and that can have any numerical value). It's easy to confuse them though, since computer electronics and computer programs contain a lot of Boolean operations and at the same time use the binary format to store numbers. Of course this is no coincidence - the same type of cheap electronics can be used to construct both Boolean operations and Binary numbers.
And to complete the confusion: The value 'True' in Boolean algebra is often represented with a '1' and the value 'False' with a '0' ...

Yes, transmitting binary numbers electronically is relatively easy because you only have to transmit two 'states' (0 or 1). The downside is you have to transmit a lot of them so you need sufficient bandwidth.

The only thing I don't get is why did Jim see binary and not some other form of information, such as letters, pictures or audio.

Exactly. A human being is much better in remembering pictures and words than in remembering a large series of 0's and 1's. In that sense we are totally different from a computer - another reason to doubt the whole binary code story.

[Matt Lyons]

Hi all,
This binary code may be taken far too literally. You could get just a similar sequence in the game of heads and tails, now replace heads with 0 and tails with 1 and play for a bit.

A lot of peolple have got understandably drawn into the numeric sequence as it is irresistably obvious as a piece of pseudo-computer code etc.al.

However, there is just as much possibility that the urge to recall numbers 0 and 1 in this 'heads or tails' could easily be a reflection of Jims subconcious mind trying to make lots of 'yes and no' evaluations in what there is to reason from this whole bizarre experience.

It could also have thrown into the senario the dilemma of how much to talk about all levels of this case from a personal and general aspect, whether it be the experience itself of the pondering of how much to tell, what pressure from the media or his job all mixing into a rolling sense right from momentary waking. Yes to this, say no to talking about that, do this, think about talking more about that, how will I be treated etc.etc. Jim has not imposed his own belief system but has come across those that can only see map references and codes at the expense of all other things. They are only trying to help but it could be nothing as deep as computer code, however irresistable that may be to some.

If I had seen what these guys had on these nights, I think I would have experienced some pretty surreal and stressed note taking. Add in the same pressure pilots get in the air about reporting UFOs and wondering what to tell and how to tell it, what would your own doodles, scribbles and follow up notes look like?

I'm not saying I'm right or have a theory here, just a bit of thinking away from literal interpretation and a reminder that belief systems can sometimes push an opinion so far, it gains an air of the only accepted way of looking at it and locks out all other possibilities.

Matt

[Daniel]

Thanks NCF1 for the additional posts. Did Linda make any comment in those pages? Would have been interesting if she mentioned seeing them, and of course documenting it in the book.

Great post Frank. I think we could go really in depth on this subject. It's given me many ideas, but a slight lack of time isn't going to allow me to write them all down. Binary numbers, in computing, are indeed not supposed to be used for really anything other than being sent through a piece of software, at it's lowest level, to be processed through logic gates situated within components such as the CPU.

It sounds like from reading NCF1's summary of page 101 that maybe Jim's mind was able to translate what was sent to him. Maybe writing down the sequence was an after effect of the encounter?

Interesting post Matt, if for the message was nothing but random 0 and 1's I could see possible sanity issues in writing the sequence down to try and answer all the questions you have, based on what you've experienced, in maybe a coded or odd way. I find if I have the Flu I can suffer some slight delirium where I must wake up every hour to re-position myself in different patterns that repeat.

[marantz]

YOU know when people say they've been abducted by aliens and always describe them as having big heads with big black eyes?
I always wonder if they were actually abducted by Pandas, but were just too embarrassed to say so.

[arvd]

lol

[U Gotta laf]

Why do people keep moving away from the facts ?

1. This was a military 'incident'
2. Because it took place outside the perimeter fence, there is a likelihood that a British unit was involved too. (Joint exercise ?)
3. The 'witnesses' are all US military (as far as I can make out)
4. We can only take at 'face value' the alleged hypnotism - there is no proof John or Jim were really hypnotised or were given sodium piothental.
5. The binary code business can not be proven and is more likely to have been 'thrown in' to either back up a view or confuse an issue. (Personally, whoever told Jim or John to come up with this story is in the wrong job) !
6. De-briefing - we have no idea or not if anyone was de-briefed. Fed information or rather 'instructed ' is probably a better term to use.
7. Helicopters - it is all too easy for 'witnesses' to say they heard no helicopters.
8. There is no real evidence to suggest in any shape or form that Aliens from another planet are involved.
9. Reports of radiation readings come from US military. (or the low radiation was 'planted' so as to be noticed later)
10. The Yanks are laughing at us.

Right, over to you.

EDIT: A final thought - how are Aliens from a distant Planet to know that some humans are dumb enough to believe in a God, then believe there was a son of God, then believe this son was born on Dec 25 and that this night would be the best night to pop down to our Planet without being seen ? The Yanks knew this though.

[larry warren]

Well, with concern to the comments posted since the december, the uninformed attacts
poor attempts at humor at wittnesses expence {the guy from NZs graphics are fun} and the continuence of these all knowing theorys by some and oh yes the former BW vets that are
evading questions from wittinesses and talking about pandas and such, Sad !
to some of our British detractors, and particulerly the one above me, you are correct, this YANK is indeed laughing at you ! most of you remain uninformed it seems by your own choice ? oh well , enjoy !

[alive555]

Larry

unfortunatley u have to admit that Jims binary code stuff just dropped a huge great credibililty carpet bomb over the redlesham incident.

it appears that a lot of posters here just do not buy that story at all....

do you ?

[ncf1]

How could "Jims binary code stuff just dropped a huge great credibililty carpet bomb over the redlesham incident" when he talked about it from the beginning, and its even been printed in Linda Moulten-Howe's books? Jim has been consistent, he mentioned the binary stuff eons ago, why not perhaps research a little more to see?

[larry warren]

thanks for the question, ive been asked about the codes more than once since the december event.
i know nothing about binary , nor am i any good with math computers cell phones texting twiter skype and all the other crap thats turning a generations brains and free thought to mush. what i do know is the type of SPS that jim and john were between 1980 and 81 simply because i was there on bentwaters and observed there work ethic, and human traits
that we all have, jim was a no nonsence sarg that had already alot of years on the job under his belt, he was respected by all as he also held importaint nco sps roles that take years to earn in the af, us younger airman would have jumped if he said to jump, he wasnt that sort
but trust me he had the power to ruin your day if you messed up he was a complete professionel, held trusted roles, dident party on the base, lie, steal,or have any controversy around him, and as i sain in my book, when he told me to shut up, i did ! jim was by the book, meeting him 30 years later he embodies all the same qualitys as i observed on bentwaters all those years ago, further hes a nice midwestern guy with a family he clearly loves, ie a good dad ! does jim suffer after effects from his encounter, he damn well does!
did somthing profound happen to the man? damn right it did. so untill our little pea brains can figure this stuff out, i say yes im certain he got a download from somone, reason unknown to me. jim is a man of honner and would not lie about this and im sure most things in life, just not in his nature and if you met him it would be clear to you all aswell.

[larry warren]

may i add that john embodied similer qualitys that jim does back in 80,eventhough we both shaired the same rank at that time, hes not lieing either, and yes we have had a few shoot out in the past, just the same you couldent get better wittinesses to these events, me. im just me with all the flaws aparent, but mabey thats what it took to do what i did ? i will find out when im dead then again maby we all wont! i support them 100 percent, and there smart to control the flow untill there ready weather they piss people off or not! wish peter and i had been that smart cheers

[alive555]

How could "Jims binary code stuff just dropped a huge great credibililty carpet bomb over the redlesham incident" when he talked about it from the beginning, and its even been printed in Linda Moulten-Howe's books? Jim has been consistent, he mentioned the binary stuff eons ago, why not perhaps research a little more to see?

i did . and he didnt mention it eons ago.

watch this > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gB9pnL4f ... re=related

plonker

[ncf1]

Yes he did mention it eons ago - he alludes to it in Sky Crash when was printed decades ago and it is printed clearly in Linda's book which was printed in the 80's.
Perhaps research a bit.

[alive555]

He sat on this information for years and now has the nerve to moan about the government withholding information ? Oh dear.... If im not wrong he didn't even tell mr Burroughs !! If I was jb I would be rightly pissed off .

He also says he didn't know what binary code was ? hang on a minute peeps he didn't know what the glyphs were either but that didn't stop him talking about that to every Tom and dick . Did it !

So we are def dealing with a witness who selectively reveals his so called experiences.

If this case was in court and he appeared as a witness - he would be rightly discredited.

I mean ask urself this 1 question. If u had really really had this alien exchange experience - and had written down pages of codes recalled from super human memory - would u really consider this to be anything other than freaking mind blowing information .KEY.

His excuse- I didn't know what it was so I kept shtoom ......FFs get a grip .



Begs the question what other fairy stories are gonna be pulled out of the hat next ?

[WizardofOdd]

Afraid I have to agree. Not read Sky Crash (not sure I could stomach it to be honest), but it was published in 1984, am I right? Even home computing was being taught in schools by then -so there would be NO doubt as to what binary was, or is used for... So why didn't it occur to anyone to actually translate it then? If JP had received the code, that would have been as important as say finding the serial number and licence plate for the UFO lol! And we are meant to believe that a military man would have no awareness of the significance of this?!

I've said before, that the 30th conference is when Rendlesham tm finally jumped the shark. And unfortunately the more jumping up and down and finger pointing that goes on, the more irrevocably damaged the whole 'mythology' becomes. This is the Jar Jar Binks moment, the franchise can only go down in people's estimation from here on in. I enjoyed, for want of a more respectful word, Larry's book enormously, but right now I'm totally incredulity'd out. The traffic on sites such as this says that I'm not alone by any stretch of the imagination. Hell, I don't even believe half of the Halt tape anymore, not since the Rendlesham media spin doctors got involved and he willingly towed the circus line!

[alive555]

well said.

halt, warren and buroughs must recognise that this binary code thing was a total disaster.

it undermines everything.

if warren had this information im fairly sure (read definitely) he would have put it out there right at the start. as you wouyld expect.

witholding this information = either (1) total inconroprehensible stupidity or (2) fraud.

before this came out i would say the credibility of the story was approx 50% plus. no i put it at less than 5%.

pr disaster.

[Observer]

I have read Skycrash as i'm sure some of you have. The book is pretty much in support of an alien visit and other ideas such as a 'Portal' in the Rendlesham area with a finger pointed at the local RADAR establishments as a possible cause of the phenomena.

However, Jenny Randles in a more recent interview [a couple of years ago now] said, 'I no longer believe anything of significance happened at Rendlesham'. I wonder why she changed her mind?

OBS

[Open Mind Ed]

Something happened out there around Xmas 1980. But how significant was it?

*There are the total believers who WANT it to be aliens or an advanced human civilisation from out distant future. An event of cosmic proportions

*There are the hardline sceptics who believe it was just a lighthouse, a police car, a burnt out satellite, a manure track, or a practical joke. Totally rational explanation of little real significance.

*There are others who think it is a cover up of a nuclear accident or maybe something more and this UFO story is a cover for something involving the US and quite possibly the UK military. The down to earth conspiracy theory.


As regards the binary codes. Home computing was in a much simpler state than today but many people would be aware of what a binary code was. We often needed a better understanding of PC codes back then to get the things working. The Flock of Seagulls song "It's Not me Talking" from 1983 posted elsewhere on here quotes a line "Computer says it's a binary code, It's just a pity I can't understand it". So it would be hard to avoid the existence of ones and zeroes as computer code back in the 80s.

Jim Penniston seems to indicate that he was questioned after the events under the influence of drugs. Was this download of information ever mentioned to intelligence people? Or maybe they never asked about it and his notebook. I assume this was a personal notebook as well otherwise it would be USAF property Would it not? But I don't know. It does seem strange to hide it away for so long though. Only then 30 years later the message gets revealed and interpreted as "binary code" that refers to English language ASCII. If Jim Penniston didn't feel it was relevant for 30 years or was too fearful to reveal it then we have to take his word for it as we have no other way to substantiate it? Or do we?

What really doesn't make sense to me is for this to go on for 30 years unless someone really wants it to. It can only be because people still feel there is something to gain from all of this? But who really has the most to gain (or maybe the most to lose)? Is it the UFO believers, certain witnesses, the military or the sceptics, Maybe all of them

It's a question which is very difficult to answer.

[marantz]

eD, THE last thing the DOD want you to think is a bunch of were fooled by a flashlight beacon AND interest in this thing perks up some of the guys get a perk* if you know what I mean! KEEPS the martian lovers satisfied!!!!