Jim Penniston's Plaster Casts and Notepad [Page Discussion]

[Deep Purple]

I can understand some one getting to a totally different place in the woods 20+ years later after it all has changed , but the notebook timing seems much more difficult to explain

[Deep Purple]

These guys if using notebooks would be drilled to be fairly careful about timings. In the UK for example if a case goes to court and there are significant time differences the defence barister will have a field day. Certainly it is acceptable for law enforcement personel to complete a notebook after the event, but you have to be able to demonstrate why you did this. For example a police officer chasing a suspect cant complete his note book if he is in close pursuit, but would be expected to complete the notebook as soon as is reasonably practicle. Normally if events are happening that fast you might quickly look at your watch at least to try and tag the event and remember the time. However we are dealing with a base that was effectively off duty, with probably not much happening night after night. On guard for six hours ,at night in the winter, the cold starting to creep through your clothing, this night like last night , thinking about the base parties, the pretty girls, not much happening and then WHAM! a UFO event occurs. Under these conditions I suspect reliability of note taking may be suspect and probably happened the next day when they had had time to think about it and try and work out what went wrong. Of course if the whole event was a CIA cover up for the stealth fighter then they would make sure that timings were all over the place to discredit the show.

[Observer]

Hi deep purple

You make some valid points re the notes taken and the times and dates. I aggree that some of the times could be inaccurate for the reasons you explained.

Perhaps yo could elaborate a bit further on the 'Stealth' fighter senario.
What i do know is that in the late 70's and early 80's, the F-117 was only just being issued to the USAF and it was never considered for over seas deployment. Having said that one of my sources has said that a few clandestine flights were made to RAF Machrihanish in the Western isles of Scotland.
These flights were acheived using air to air re fueling from a KC-135. These flights were only an exercise to see how quickly the F-117 could be deployed to Europe. The F-117 was still secret at that time and no way was it going to land at an operational USAF base even at night. Secondly, it would have to land on the runway as it did not have VTOL capability, this also applies to the B-2 Spirit.
The CIA were not in control of F-117 operations as its main roll was strike and bombing.
Unlike the U-2 and later the SR-71 which were funded by and flown by CIA people because their only roll was spy flights over enemy territory.
What i can say is that the U-2 and the RB-57 spy planes did make a couple of visits to RAF Woodbridge but were never based there for political reasons.

Observer

[Deep Purple]

From what I can remember, and its only what I have read, the stealth fighter was in the uk during the mid 80s. I would however bow to the knowledge of those who were there at the time. I think I read it in Ben Riches book "Skunk Works", however I've lost my copy of this book and read it quite a while ago, so I might be quite wrong on this. For anyone who has not read the book its a top read and very highly recommened by me.
Whilst the CIA flew the Blackbird ( would have loved to see one fly, I've only seen one at the Wright Patterson Museum in Ohio) , if ithe CIA was told to cover up the f117a it no doubt would have done so.
I still think the apollo capsule case is the best real world explanation of what happened to date. All though all the dots and "t"s have not been dotted or crossed it seems substantially right.
But until someone comes forward with either a better explanation or some new evidence the apollo capsule is the favourite.
Some one out there does know what really happened

[Observer]

Hi deep purple

I do know the F-117 visited the UK perhaps in the 80's but as i said and on good authority, they probably landed at RAF Machrihanish [RAF/DEFRA secret test base]. I suppose its possible that one landed at Woodbridge but why at Christmas with the base on stand down.

It was a relativily new plane so there would have to be a fully trained ground crew in place to receive it and obviously service it. The crews looking after the A-10 would not be allowed near it. I feel that an F-117 visit to Woodbridge with a UFO story concocted to cover it up is a non runner.

I saw the SR-71 land and take off at one of the Farnborough air shows years ago.
Before you get too bleary eyed about the Blackbird, i will try to put a perspective on it.
Lockheed built about 32 aircraft and there are only 2 left flying today, one was bought by NASA and the other is a test bed at Groom lake. There are only about 2 as museum exhibits left Ohio being one. The rest were wait for it, PRANGED, Crashed with quite a few pilots killed. They don't tell you that on the SKY documentories.

Yes, i guess the CIA would be in place to cover up or give out disinformation on anything
as the USA was going through their paranoid period as they always did and still do today.

Observer

[Observer]

Hi all

You may have noticed that in all the documentories and interviews done over many years about the Rendlesham Forest incident, never once was the ARRS mentioned or any member from that section interviewed.

My contact with an ex member [HH-53 pilot]of the 67th ARRS [now retired] and his response have been at best evasive but he pointed me in a direction that instigated my article. I'm sure he and other ex members know a lot more but i suspect they are protecting their pensions which is quite substantial for ex USAF air crew.

Observer