48 TFW / Lakenheath

[puddlepirate]

Off forum research suggests an F111 of the 48th TFW out of Lakenheath might have lost a weapon with a chem warhead whilst overflying Suffolk on a TACEX. Perhaps intending to jettison the weapon in the bomb dump area off Orfordness prior to attempting an emergency landing.

[Observer]

Hi
First of all, i agree with puddle with this theory and have thought the same for some time.
ST, i see the point you are making and asking, but from my sources off forum, there was panic stations at the time and it was thought that involving the British 'local' Police was a sure way to the media.
In a nut shell, they did not trust us regardless of any signed agreements. Well, that's how it was put to me.

The whole thing from start to finish was a damage limitation exercise and that included the exclusion of any British authorities.

Obs

[Observer]

I think it means Tactical Exercise, but i'm sure puddle can elaborate further.
Obs

[Observer]

From what i was told, they were live armed and ready to go because of the escalation of hostilities on the Polish boarder.

Obs

[Observer]

I suppose its possible but i don't particularly want to speculate further on this theory because any thing i say will be pure conjecture and i have no hard evidence to back it up. This theory was established from lots of 'soft' evidence that is already available on the forum. Putting this together along with comments from friends who are not forum members and some in depth searches on the internet has pointed us in this direction.

Puddle introduced us to this theory which i support and have worked on with him, but i think puddle may be better placed than me to answer or try to explain some of the circumstances surrounding it.
Puddle and myself are both realists and we both aknowledge that this theory may never be substanciated only because the evidence needed to fill the many gaps is just not there or is being kept out of the public domain. This theory however contains some compelling logic if you look at the bigger picture.

Obs

[Observer]

ST

SAC were air born [in shifts] 24/7/365 fully armed and ready to fly to a target if instructed any where in the world, so this could have been for real not an exercise.
F-111's flew long haul missions to Libya from the UK which entailed several top ups and the there and back flight time was over 8 hours.

Obs

[Observer]

Hi all

I am pretty certain now that this whole mystery is centred around a bit of ordnance, missile, bomb or whatever that was based in the UK without the knowledge or permission of the British Government.
All i will say is that it was not a nuclear weapon because the MOD had given permission for those but it was some thing just as lethal! It was a WMD. You can work that one out yourselves.
When one of these ends up in Rendlesham forest by accident it had to be covered up at all costs for very obvious reasons.

I expect that some will not agree with this theory, and that's fine by me, all i ask is, if you don't buy this then give us an alternative theory to look at.

Obs

[robert]

I think Observer you have two more Alternative theories just as viable.
If not even more so, by the actual witnesses to the event.

WMD is not an explanation for lights of varying colours and sizes.

Not really plausible on three consecutive nights of sightings.

If you discount all the witnesses, and you would have to for this assumption, then you implicate everone one of them willingly or inadvertently in the plot to cover up WMD.

I can't see that as a result and from what I have heard from our witnesses despite any attempt at modification of their memories they are more or less in the same ballpark with their expereinces.

That is to say landings and taking off of something coupled with various coloured lights and much more importantly the complete lack of noise other than animals, again on three consecutive nights.

IE Nothing flying on those nights of a conventional type to be heard by anyone.

Sightings of triangular craft in London on the days prior to these sightings and subsequent sightings by Lor Rienfeldt? in Febuary at Rendlesham a few months later. And even,according to Larry in his book Left at Esatgate, Gordon Williams taking his family out to see these Lights/UFO's at a later date as well.

If you treat RFI as an isolated incident then without our Witnesses WMD might have been one of the possibilities but the parallels and conclusions drawn from this incident are so descriptively similar to other sightings over many years that WMD isn't really a basis for the descriptions involved in December or at any other time.

Robert

[Observer]

Perhaps you could point out the other alternative theories.
Obs

[puddlepirate]

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[puddlepirate]

Re an accident with a weapon: There is no proof but what there is, is a substantial amount of circumstantial evidence which is freely available on the web and elsewhere, plus of course, the history of similar accidents. Between November 1980 and early Jan 81 three A10's were lost of the east Anglian coast. From April 80 to Dec 81 approximately nine F111's were lost in air accidents - these were accidents where the aircraft were lost, not those involving only weapons. During 1980 aircraft operating out of RAF Lakenheath flew more missions - be they exercise or real world, than any other USAFE base. Thus the probability of an accident with an aircraft or a weapon was high simply because of the number of ops flown.

The problem with the RFI as it stands is that there is no actual evidence as such, just several conflicting witness statements - e.g. one witness saw a craft, his colleague standing just a few feet away saw only lights; one witness saw a craft and alien beings in a different location; one witness leading a squad of airmen followed a different set of lights.....there is a total lack of consistency therefore none of this information can be considered evidence in the true sense of the word.

We know that Lakenheath was the busiest USAFE base, we know that something hit the Woodbridge landing lights, we know that Hollesley Bay prison was alleged to have been put on evac alert, we know the the USAF stockpiled nuclear weapons in the UK; we know that in July 1980 Francis Pym authorised the US to store Cruise missiles in the UK; we know Cruise had interchangeable nuke/chem warheads; we know the chem warheads used BZ - a disorientating but non-lethal chemical; we know that in Dec 80 the situation in Poland was very tense indeed; we know the US supported Iraq in its war with Iran which started in Sept 80; we know that various terrorist groups were active in the middle east; we know the US could fly long range bombing missions from Lakenheath to Libya and back using F111s; we know MoD is holding back several crucial documents on the RFI - thus the list of what we know is long. These are facts, not conjecture.

When we compare what we know with conflicting statements that we have to accept at face value, then the scales tend to tip in favour of what we know.

This will be my last post on this topic. Research elsewhere is proving to be much more revealing - and anyone can conduct that research for themselves, I'm not going to do it for them.

[Observer]

ST
You know as well as i do that finding proof to support any of our theories is and has been virtually impossible. It has however not stopped a few of us from putting forward theories if only to stop this forum from stagnating and becoming very boring.

So is this the reason why people such as yourself never put forward a theory because you cannot prove it.
Don't let that get in the way, go for it, give us some thing new to chew on. I have given this forum several theories as has puddle almost from day one. We both know that we will probably never ever find conclusive evidence to support these theories, but the forum would be one hell of a boring place without them and people like you and others would have nothing to pick holes in.

So i am taking a back seat now and over to any new theorist who would like to offer up a new one and don't be scared that you cannot prove it.

Obs

[Observer]

I meant a completely new theory, as the Apollo one was my theory which you dug up some additional and interesting material for that theory.
No body to my recollection has suggested on this forum that it was an alien visitation and it was an alien craft in the woods. I wonder why?
Never said the 48th were under SAC, just used SAC as an example of how the USAF operated during the Cold war period.
I was not tipped off in the true sense of the word, the subject came up in conversation with an aircraft spotter friend who lives locally to Rendlesham and it was he who suggested that i look at weapon accident.

This was coincidental to puddles investigations but added more weight to the bigger picture supporting that theory.
As puddle indicated, there are several files on the RFI that have not been released by the MoD and you may be right re the 30 year rule.

Obs

[AdrianF]

As puddle indicated, there are several files on the RFI that have not been released by the MoD and you may be right re the 30 year rule.

Obs
Is this a fact, that the MOD are still holding files on the RFI? I thought that all the RFI files had been released in the first batch of the UFO files and there were no more.

Adrian

[Observer]

Adrian

Puddle found through his research that there are a couple of documents concerning the RFI that have not been released by the MoD. I suggest that you have a look yourself.

Obs

[robert]

I think we have quite a few theories Obs but the obvious one is an Alien/UFO sighting.
Easy to explain because in theory an Alien UFO has an infinitely variable capability of drive systems simply because of our willingness to believe they must have such a system to get here in the first place.

In all sightings there has been very little noise involved and always reports of lights and tremendous acceleration, manoevres etc.
As mentioned 'these' were seen in London a few nights before and a similar sighting by Lori as stated on this Forum.


The other alternative discounting the lightouse and meteor or a satellite is a nuts and bolts explanation that is conducive with the nights in question and the descriptions given by the witnesses.

Yes there is some disparity by the guys , but that doesn't mean we simply dismiss their reports because they differ in some respects from what we want to hear as I am sure you will be the first to agree.


The big thing,the obvious similarities for me, are that in all reports there was NO noise. (therefore no conventional Aircraft or crash). Lights reported , multicloured and moving slowly then moving vertically and possibly splitting in to several lights from one light source. Halt mentions one 18inches in diameter. One of the other Guys, I think it was Larry, mentions one the size of a Basketball.

The fact that they travel through the forest along the ground and then go up vertically is very hard to explain coventionally.

From a nuts and Bolts point of view you need a very quiet and possibly anti gravity drive system involved or a controlled plasma to achieve these effects.In some cases the light disappear and some more return.

Any other theory would give you a lot of noise which was not accounted for or mentioned by any witness, either by the military or by a member of the Public on the nights in question.

Two theories which are of the silent type which don't fly for me are the Lighthouse and a parachuted/ jettisoned Weapon of some sort. Not on three nights and not taking off again vertically.

This is where all the witnesses agree. The Silence, The Coloured Lights moving horizontally and vertically and returning on three consecutive nights.

Robert

[Observer]

Well at least you have shown your true colours by offering up the theory that it could have been an alien craft which i suspect is your main area of interest any way. Nothing wrong in that as its a theory that has not had much air time on the forum even though i suspect its been at the back of most peoples minds since day one.

Trouble is, how do you investigate this, other than accept what all the witnesses have told us at face value, draw a line and close down the forum with the final wording 'unprovable'.
I worked with what i do know and have found out to form my theories, but this is going to be a brick wall.

You miss the point slightly when you say that there is no man made technology that could fly in dead silence and take off again vertically, there isn't, and I never suggested that, and if you read puddles latest thinking, it does not involve any silent vertical take offs or light phenomena. It's much more down to earth than that.

Or if you want to believe my old ex ARRS friend who told me it was some thing so simple and daft that i wouldn't believe him if he told me. He never did tell me because he said he valued his stripes too much.
I have no reason to give him any less credence than the witnesses to this event.

I haven't got the energy to even question your theory as i have zero to go on so i suggest that you out line this theory for us all to read and see what transpires.

Obs

[Observer]

Hi all
Well, iv'e taken the unprecedented step of E Mailing my mate in Mars. I asked him, "Did you lot do Rendlesham"? He replied "No way, we engineered the possibility of crashing out of the flight envelope 1,000 years ago". Try asking Ron up in Andromeda, so i did, but Ron said they hadn't been near earth since Roswell which had been an absolute disaster and they haven't been back since.
I asked Ron if he knew of any others that might have visited and he said no as word had got round after Roswell that there was nothing on earth worth visiting.
Ron ended his message by saying you earthlings are letting your imaginations run wild.

Obs

[AdrianF]

I asked Ron if he knew of any others that might have visited and he said no as word had got round after Roswell that there was nothing on earth worth visiting.

Well all I can say is, Ron has obviously never had a Saturday night out in Ipswich.

St, thanks, I thought that this was about the size of the situation with regards to the MOD and Rendlesham. The question that still remains is will we see any documentation to come from the DOD/USAF?

Adrian

[Observer]

Adrian

Why don't you ask them using the FOIA, you probably stand a better chance as a film maker than us lesser mortals. I suspect it will be like getting blood out of a stone but worth a try.

Obs