the hart of the matter !

[larry warren]

Im posting the following to Lt Col Buran and others that might know, if i may.
not long after the events one of the involved airman,( we can call him Alabama) went AWOL, he headed to the states only to be returned to bentwaters, suffering from extreem stress related to the event he observed, the man was not fit nor should he have maintained PRP.
Alabama was placed back on duty, with an m16, not long after this that man took his life.
i know this for a fact, i knew the man, and as Col halt stated, some people thought what we saw was the devil! you could say that some of the mens world views crashed and burned. the man came to B/W with me as did others from my tech school.
Ed Cabanasac was the element behind me at lackland aswell.
The above has never warrented a coment from ANY of our comand, WHY ?
did this happen or did it not, his family would like to know ! JD jump on board pal thanx
Who was Ssgt mark Reese, what was his TRUE role on the base, he came to the SPS backline soon after the events and was far beyond you average SSGT, he cane to the base from Nellis AFB, our sister base state side. any thoughts on the above matter would be most helpfull, thank you. Larry Warren former 81sps D FLT............. honerable discharge aswell !
also would it be standard or non standard for a Wing Commander to personally handle an A1Cs discharge? ive asked a former general, what are your thoughts?

[larry warren]

Further, we all went on with our lives ! but what you are attacking has always riden along with us. cheers

[John Burroughs]

Larry
The attacks will never stop! One of the reason is that it will keep people from stepping foreword and talking about what they saw or what happened to them. They have now taken UFO and turned it into a word everybody is afraid of. All it means is a unidentified flying object nothing else! But they want to take all UFO siteings and turn them into alien encounters which keeps most people from ever talking about what they saw. Jim Halt and I were drawen into this by you wanting to get the story out. You have now stated you put things out to get people to talk about what happened. Would you please explain what that was! You stated on face book you were the one who talked about it being a Alien encounter was any of that part of getting people to talk? Will you go into any detail of what you saw happen with Adrian and I. And Ian and others now say Halts tape is a fake what do you think about that?

[arvd]

Ian stated that he did not think the tape was fake !. Its just that some of the content can come across a little corny.

[larry warren]

John, others you must remember that when i went public i ended up traped within the UFO comunity! the feds know that was as far as someone like me would get back in 1983.
the world has changed, John , when i was debreifed,,,,,ONI , we were told that what we say was OFF EARTH TECHNOLOGY
and Bla Bla Bla............i did not trust that, however I personally BELEIVE that we are and have been visited by another civilation or more throughout our history, i only have said OTHER BEINGS OR LIFE FORM with reguards to Rendlesham.
the blue lights had faces ond more in them i think, i to have tried to avoid aliens because i dont know what it was at Bentwaters! that has been attached to me , the word Aliens! and yes you are correct, I PUSHED THE SIGHTING OF THE LIFE FORMS , TO COMPELL OTHERS TO TALK< FILL IN THE BLANKS, AND MOVE IT FORWARD ! I DAMN RIGHT DID A LOT OF THINGS THAT I THOUGHT WOULD PISS OFF AND COMPELL OTHERS TO TALK ! AND GIVE THE FULL PICTURE.
Again i state that i and others saw what we preceeved to be alive, a person? an alien? the result of mind control by the feds or "THEM" ? i just dont know................ The underground stuff is all mind control, by us or THEM again i dont know!
I did what i had to do! so the Events could beback enginierd by those that were involved, as to get to the TRUTH of the matter
I was so very damaged by the debrief and its after math, ! it s what i had to do,! two fingers up to those that hurt us!
I do have a prior history with this subject, and may have been pre disposed to do what i did. YOURS AND JIMS HYPNOSIS IS THE KEY TO THE ORGIN OF WHO CAME TO THOSE BASES BACK IN 1980 ! cheers

[John Burroughs]

Well they have brought up the fact before they felt it was fake or in a couple of statements it was fake. So lets see Halts out there record's a tape stands by the tape never says its Corney or misleading now even goes one step farther and says what he saw was ET. H mm.....

[larry warren]

Also ther MEDIA is the one to blaim for the word ALIEN being attached to this people, not wittinesses ! SGT Bob Ball summed the whole thing up the best on CNN,"We saw veichels containing other beings or people " and " sombody els WAS there !"
It is what it is folks !!!!!like it or not!
Further, The Halt tape is authentic, made on site, because i too heard the background radio calls ! as it happened !
ive met Col Halt in the Civi world, and he would never fake anything, its just that no one of his rank has ever gone as far on this subject ! and that scares people ! CLEARLY....................................

[John Burroughs]

Interesting Larry did you know there is a area on Bentwaters that not a underground complex but part of it was underground? Its also very interesting they thought it was me talking when in fact it was you stirring up the pot. I had never said a word about it and they went after your story about what happened in the open field which did involve Adrian and me. Also nobody wants to talk about the fact that Conrad stated in his letter he is not sure what happened to us he even used the word ET in it. But Conrad who states he was not out in the field but claims he didn't see anything is all they want to talk about. Then Burnan shows up who again was not out there and has not claimed he was ever out there says we were fooled by a patrol car or misidentified light's he never put that in his statement nor did anyone else. MSgt Ball even stated he saw something strange that could have been some kind of life form he was out there and is on the Halt tape. And that was from the very beginning when this first came out! Others have stepped forward several of them doing interviews for Linda to include somebody who was in the WSA tower on Halts night and says he saw a large object hovering over the Woodbridge forest with lights that shot off of it. But all they want to do is say there on a witch hunt and were con men and liars and won't show up on the 28th and meet us face to face. Why is that??? Plus there was never a tape recording made before and again Ian explain the part where it comes at Halt and beams light down at his feet. The part where here it comes right at us it sure does not sound like he hamming it up then does it!

[Ignis Fatuus]

The key to beating it is both the easiest and hardest thing to do....turn your back on it. If it aint in your head - it's about as good as non-existant. Don't let it take any more years away from you and your families....don't let it infect any more minds.
Here's a mind fuck for you - there is a universe in which both Yourselves and Ian are right. You are all connected
This is me talking to you as a survivor, not from UFO, but I recognise the same thing in you

[John Burroughs]

Ignis
You see all of us except Larry were drawn into this by the fact he forced the Halt memo and tape out. When we remained quite we were called government agent and part of a cover up. When we come out and talk about what happened were called Con-Men even by you. One of the things that has been brought up is the fact Jim and my story are different we have never tried to hide that have we. If we were trying to pull a Con job would not all of our stories match. I'm sure one of you will attack this last statement also. Jim and I understand there are differences in what we remember and its important there address which we will do in the UK. I have tried to get everybody together to talk about this not just a few! I have never tried to hide or failed to address what has been said about this incident . It seems there are people that feel it's exceptable to call us liars or con-men if we talk about what we saw. Now were coming over in December and willing to go out and talk to anybody about what
happened to us let them see for themselves if we were fooled. Yet the person who has been the leader of taking us apart won't show his face. The Lighthouse is still there so are the stars and planets heck even bring a car out and show how it could get from one point to another....

[larry warren]

These men are not con men ! the fact is is that this thing is far bigger than just what happened in that forrest!
AGAIN< WHO IS SSGT MARK REESE , AND WHAT WAS HIS TRUE ROLE IN THE 81sps? any BW boys KNOW? how bout Skip? how bout Zigler? any thoughts fellas? cheers

[John Burroughs]

Larry
The thing is Ian won't show up Buran was not out there and now wants to back off his original statement. When I talked to him last summer he talked to me about the fact eastern radar had contact with something over Woodbridge which was unidentified which then disappeared off of the radar. He is scared to death to call this a UFO event even know UFO does not mean there was aliens involved! Ian and others world is about to be rocked when the Halt film comes out. Plus again by him not coming out and now interestingly enough trying to tell us how we should proceed when we go out into the Forrest speaks volumes! Show up Ian on the 28th let everybody see for themselves!!!

[ncf1]

Could it be that the discrepancy in John and Jim's testimony relates to what can and cannot be seen interdimensionally? With spirit sightings and such for instance, you'll often have one person swearing black and blue that they saw a figure as clear as crystal appear in front of them and the person right next to them swearing that they saw nothing of the sort and that perhaps they are on crack. Those that might have a camera on hand and take some well-timed snape either have nothing come out or sometimes if they're lucky a mist or fog where there eyes clearly saw a fully-formed virtually realistic apparation. Could it be that some have the sensitivity to be able to see more of the frequency spectrum? Animals are assumedly able to see more than what we can and there are always reported cases of animals freaking out during spirit visitations -- look also at what happened at Rendlesham when the animals went ballistic. Was Jim perhaps simply able to see more because he has the ability to? Could there have been a physcial craft that others simply were not able to see and they instead just saw perhaps an outline, or lights, or some kind of unclear morphing "thing"?

Also with the sensing in the air, the "electrical" kind of disturbance the airmen felt, that frequently comes prior to a spirit sighting as well and mediums will tell you its what happens when they enter our dimension. The timelessness aspect, psychics always mention that there is no time in the spiritual realms so perhaps
that explains or begins to explain the strange time distortions some of the men experienced.

This of course is speculation and nothing more; just another perspective to throw into the mix.

Another thing I find curious is Jim (or his brother cant remember) Weiner's description of the craft in the Allegash case. He described the timeleness, the electrical sensations, and also that the craft was triangular, dark, smooth like glass and seemed to be "made" of light somehow, in some way. There's other similarities too which I found to be very curious.

[John Burroughs]

Well one interesting thing Nevil's took picture and tried to develop them himself and they came out fogged so did other photo's that were taken. Its been talked about before but radiation can cause that to happen. Frank Chris was out there on the 3rd night with me and what he is trying to sell is not what happened! There were light all's and trucks out there in fact he jumped into one of the trucks when one of the blue lights headed right at him! It is interesting he states there was no equipment out there. H mm!!! Sorry Larry I'm met Chris Armold not you!!!You know how that goes just like Lakenheath not Bentwaters and I will be off the net for 7 days because I have a job that requires me to be going 24/7......

[larry warren]

We all know the meaning of UFO, the problem with any wittiness is the only place one had to go if you wanted to learn about the subject was the ufo researchers, and i can assure you that was a very dark place in 1983, the world has changed, and most people know that somthing is happining ! as always there will be people like Ian that do not eccept this view simply because they have never seen it ! i can understand that, christ, i had to deal with arch debunker phil klass whom was a nasty piece of work! ian is nothing like that fella, but it would be a good thing if he can open his mind on this matter and attend on the 28th.
it is clear to me that some of the people on our base have been "got to" im not surprised ! i mean why go one way then do a 360? Pention is the answer and the threat of loosing it ! the simple reason.
i have no usaf pention, but John and Jim, halt and others do, i commend them for there brave stance, and for taking responsibility in doing the right thing ! its a first amoung similer events over the last 60 years! and thats why these actions ARE historic ! some of the people on this and other related sites, will never see it for what it is , and must feel like they are chaseing there tails ? but they seem to think somthing of importaince happened, or why would they keep coming back for more? but youll never get your fix on the net folks, get on outside and watch the skys ! cheers

[larry warren]

And the blue light passed right thru the cab !

[Frank]

I'm confused - I think you meant Chris, John?
(I posted a question about that in some other thread)

[John Burroughs]

Yes I did mean Chris and then there's the rest of the story!! Larry did you see the video that was taken of the lights flying around in the sky over Virgina?

[larry warren]

i knew john was refering to chris aswell, and rember that that happened to someone, i just dident know it was chris ? this explaines a hell of a lot !

[larry warren]

sorry john, no ive yet to see that? i will look ! cheers