Illustration for Larry Warren

[Admin]

An illustration based loosely on Larry Warren's account in "Left At East Gate":



Full size (1920x1080): http://rendlesham-incident.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/lw-render.jpg

[AgentAppleseed]

Very nice illustration. Id love to see someone build a couple of models of the objects.

[stephan]

I second that, cool stuff !

[puddlepirate]

In the frenzy to prove the cause of the RFI was an extra-terrestrial craft manned by aliens, the bigger picture is being overlooked.

It should not be forgotten that this occurred at the height of the Cold War. Larry Warren states in LAEG that he was on duty at an airfield guard post only manned during an alert. Therefore, the bases had to have been at an increased alert state. In the posts to this forum made a while back by Jim Penniston, it was mentioned that extra personnel were drafted in to support the SP/LE. During the Cold War, UK air defence was not stood down over the Christmas holidays. It remained alert 24/7. The RAF would have had duty aircrew in squadrons all down the east coast, from Scotland to Dover, ready to scramble aircraft in response to any intrusion into UK airspace. Even though there was no flying at the twin bases, defence radars would have been active as they were at RAF Watton and elsewhere. With an increased alert state there would have been more personnel on duty than normal. Further to that, RAF Bawdsey was also a Bloodhound ground to air missile site. Any inbound bogey would have been pinged by any of a dozen radars and responded to.

it is highly unlikely, impossible in fact, that a bogey seen on radar by London ATC at RAF West Drayton to be hovering over the twin bases, would not be seen on radar elsewhere and it is equally impossible that if the contact remained unidentified it would not be challenged by RAF fighter aircraft. Incursions into UK airspace were not uncommon then and nor are they today. It matters not that if whatever the contact was could have outrun them (as has been known in the past), a nil response is simply not feasible. Not at the height of the Cold War with tensions between east and west rising and the bases on an increased alert. If, as is being alleged, two bogeys were hovering over the twin bases with at least one of them firing lasers at Bentwaters WSA and one or both actually landing, they would have been acquired as targets by aircraft or missiles. The fact they were not can only mean one of two things - either they did not exist or IFF identified them as friendly. If no IFF then they would have been regarded as hostile and dealt with accordingly. When these islands are threatened we do not go round offering cups of tea and a friendly chat. We hit the bastards. Hard.

[AgentAppleseed]

Lol, I`m tempted to say I think you`ve missed the point Puddlepirate, but I know you haven`t. Nobodies in a frenzy to prove Aliens. What`s gone on here lately is something completely different. What`s most definitely been proven is the motives certain people harbor, together with the fact that this case has been handled by incompetents for far too long, and the case has never gone anywhere as a result. I sincerely want to see all of that change. Everyone has a right to their personal theory as long as its not maintained at the expense of the people involved, including the alien theory. When that happens, then it becomes a hindrance to progress. Nothing will ever be proved that way, and thirty years has proved that much at least. If you really want to know what happened, the only way to do that, is to get behind the witnesses and back them all the way, no matter what happens. It doesn`t matter what the phenomenon actually was or was not, because if you back the witnesses, eventually you`ll find out. You wont look like a fool either, just because you held a belief in whatever, in fact you`ll look like the smartest guy in the world because you and I both know that whatever it was, it wasn`t a damned lighthouse, so even if you believe aliens run the Bilderbergers or the soviets did it, or whatever, you`ll still come out on the other end shining, aliens or no aliens, soviets or no soviets. And that`s what scares people, the fact that one day, all the bull will be put to one side and well actually start making tracks. If recent events haven`t proven that, I don`t know what will. Victories have been had here, I know people have a hard time seeing that, but trust me, they have!!

[larry warren]

Thats a great picture, it wasthat dark as well, the object, craft whatever distorted as well and the blue was cobalt and a hazy band of light, but whoever did this did a really good job, how was this done? i paint but in abstract, and often do paintings influenced by the events, the light in the 2nd floor window as dipicted, was the only light i remember and i knew it was just that, a lit window! not a ufo that thing was in front of us, point being the orford LH wouldent have made ANY inpact with what was going on in that field! and more than one that lived it with me are on my face book, not made up, and that field STILL holds evidence of what i saw. thank you admin for helping me get back on the forum ! i will comment on relivent posts over the comming days, Cheers, and again, really good ilistration, love a poster of that!

[Admin]

Thank you, Larry.

I made the illustration in Adobe Photoshop, a graphics program. I started with a photo of the field, darkened it, added in a pyramid shaped craft and slowly added more detail.

I did not include the lighthouse's light, as I don't think it can be seen from that particular position.

If you look carefully at the craft's surface, you can see the men's shadows being "pulled" onto the craft.

[larry warren]

Thats great ! i was wondering how you got the tree line correct, and yes, the shadow effect i will not ever forget, very good! cheers Larry

[John Burroughs]

About the radar contact from what I was told it appeared and disappeared it was not being tracked for a extended period of time!The radar that picked it up was eastern radar! Larry could you please give me a Idea of what time this encounter happened! And one more thing the base never went into alert status at anytime! Just because somebody went into a PP post does not mean we went on alert! If there was a alert the entire base would have been recalled it was not! Pulling some extra cops out of the barracks does not put us on alert! There was never any kind of alert called on the resources on the 3rd night because most of the activity was off base! The first night I have been told by one of the controllers at CSC a helping hand was called at one point on Woodbridge then called off!I did receive a E-Mail from someone who was posted at Woodbridge who stated there was some kind of activity in the flight line area on Woodbridge while we were in the woods. He said the area was buzzed by the same lights we were reporting in the forest! A Helping Hand can be called in other places besides the weapons storage area IE any restricted area like the aircraft parking areas command post etc! Just because they handled this the way they did does not mean they new what was going on for sure! If Conrad was trying to figure out what was going on per Williams orders and it was being done low key because it was off base then thats the way it would have been handled! What did they have to work with going into the 3rd night lights in the area doing strange things that the men who went out into the area can't explain a possible landing site with damage to some trees and radios not working leading to 45 min of lost contact with the team in the woods! Penniston stating on the radio as we got close to it that he had contact with something mechanical in nature! Radar contact over the area with something disappearing over the forest!The second night possibly more lights shaking up the female shift commander! On the 3rd night Conrad and Zickler ordered England and Nevils to go out and take a closer look which leads to them going to the officers club after they see strange lights again and Halt leads his team out into the woods with light alls and Halt making his tape,thats what there working off of!What the lights were doing is unexplainable to this day the fact there was damage to the trees radiation in the area of the tripods and trees leads one to believe there was something that sat down there! The command didn't know what we were dealing with the guys out there told them what they saw which we were unable to explain how what we were seeing was doing what we saw it doing! Jim and others were brought in afterwards and question on what happened! There are now over 20 people on the record saying they saw strange lights flying around the in the sky and in the woods! One who said he saw a object hovering over the woods from the tower most of what went on happened was on the 3rd night so tell me how would you be prepared for this! If you were in charge who would you notify and what would you do! And what would you do after you were notified order the area to be observed for more activity maybe? They went back out on the 3rd night after 2 people who were out observing the area saw more activity and reported back in! There is a tape made of what went on listen to there voices its the real deal go back over the transcript listen to the tape we were having encounters with unknown flying objects! The report of aliens encounters started a couple of days later in the pubs and Like it or not Larry you did talk about some kind of encounter also! Halt has now said it was ET in nature basing it on the fact he can't explain how what he saw did what it did! One other person who did say it looked like a craft was Nevil's on the night the tape was made look at the transcript!

[puddlepirate]

Need to clarify something here....

JB:

And one more thing the base never went into alert status at anytime!

LW in LAEG p.40

The base was on alert at that time because the Soviet Union was on the brink of moving armored [sic] units into Poland

and p.41

I was assigned to Bentwaters Perimeter Post 18. It is not a very important position in comparison to active aircraft areas or the weapons storage area. I checked out my M16 rifle from the armory [sic] at 11:15 and was dropped off at my post. Manned only during alerts it was at the end of the Bentwaters flightline at the very end of the runway.

Additionally JB states

Pulling some extra cops out of the barracks does not put us on alert! There was never any kind of alert called on the resources on the 3rd night because most of the activity was off base!

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Given it was the Christmas holiday period, with no flying, Woodbridge tower closed and no alert at either base, why were extra cops needed?

Given you guys were both A1C, is it not unreasonable to expect you would both know what was going on so It would be very useful if it could be confirmed which is true - was the base on alert or not?

Lastly: JB said

The first night I have been told by one of the controllers at CSC a helping hand was called at one point on Woodbridge then called off!

Source: *39th Wing document entitled Commander's Guide to Nuclear Safety and Explosives Safety

Helping Hand = an unclas message from anyone who detects an unusual incident, possibly hostile, that affects priority resources. The installation command post should not immediately relay the information to a higher area HQ*.

If it only went to Helping Hand, then why the increase in flash over-ride voice traffic on the Autovon system?

[John Burroughs]

We were not in alert status because we would have been in 12 hour shifts which we were not and I would have been working that night! Larry was newly assigned to the base fresh out of tech school did not even have his clearance to work in the WSA IE PRP had to be escorted into any restricted areas! He only lasted a few months after the incident in the Air Force and Larry I'm not picking on you I'm just stating a fact he had very little if any knowledge on what we did! They would have posted him there if they wanted him to observe the area for awhile because of what was going on in the woods! They also held some of the people working over because of whats going on! If you noticed there was a guard mount held before 11:00 which means one flight relieved another in alert status we worked 12 hour shifts 6-6. Another thing unless you were stationed at the base worked security police were fully certified you would not know are procedures! Also different bases depending what resources and areas they were in had different procedures they followed! The Security police in 1980 were about 95% defensive in nature! We expanded over the years starting in 1981 where some of the first training took place at the Woodbridge WSA that was decertified and used for training purposes for all of USAFE Major Zickler played a big part in that training! What when on those first 3 nights had to do with observation and reporting! It was passed up the chain with a C-5 coming in on Sunday night a investigation being done by OSI and other Intel agency's activity in the woods on M-W. A investigation being done by the British authorities Intel contacting civilians in the area along with American Intel people. General Gabriel coming in and taking all of the reports followed by the secretary of the AF a couple of weeks later. These are all facts and you can draw what you want from them! I have been in contact with several of the Command staff this summer and from what they have told me the fact that I was there also, the fact I spent 26 years in the AF was in charge in several location I was stationed at! Did 2 tours in the Middle east after 911 one at a classified location and worked the Bosnia campaign from the build up in April until the draw down in July of 1999 and was in charge of day shift security for over 70 AF Security Forces personal along with several foreign national security! I also was assigned Secret service duty working protection on every President from Regan to the second Bush. I totally understand security protocol how we do business and why we do what we do! I believe the people in charge didn't know what we were dealing with! They were trying to figure out what was going on and how to deal with it!

[puddlepirate]

Many thanks JB. Most useful.

[larry warren]

Ah, well thats a lot of info from john, well i took a picture of the main gate in the am that said alert condition, i did have prp
i dident last long because of the comand people, i to am familier with security as im a licenced close protection op, as licenced by the british government, i did say i and others had an encounter because we did, just as you did. was it alien or from the future or all mind control , i dont know , do you? am i picking on you ? i am not. are parts of our comand responsible for chucking some of us to the wolves, i think yes!.have you spoken to all affected i dought it, are you doing a good job with your
quest , i think yes. was this a planed and not a random serries of events, of witch people were being put into place as early as the summer of 1980? i gaurentee it. cheers Larry

[John Burroughs]

Larry anybody could walk up to the sign and change it to alert status and take a picture! If we were in alert status why were we not in 12 hour shifts? Did you have your PRP when the incident happened if I'm not mistaken you even said you were not certified at the time! None of our command thats Williams Conrad or Halt chucked us to the woods as far as trying to hurt us in anyway! What happened with Zickler and the other Intel agency is another story! I'm well aware of the fact you said you had a encounter and at no time in my last post was I talking about if you did or not! Thats a pretty big statement saying it was planned as early as the summer of 1980 considering you didnot get there until Dec of 80 what proof do you have? If I have it right were you still in basic in June or just starting tech school! And how long did you work on flight after the incident? How long were you in the Air Force after the incident happened? And what does being certified as a licenced close protection ops by the British Government have anything to do with Air Force Security?

[larry warren]

Well john, i dident change any sign, im not having a go at you but i think you are mistaken about the prp, that was steve laplume, my time in the service is recounted in the book, certainty you had a long and interesting carear in the AF and i would never knock that, i might have too, after all i dident sign up to go thru what i went thru , when i talk about the command, chucking us to the wolves, i dont refer to the events, im talking about things that happened after, really could the spooks just come on the base and get us at will? who was in charge, cause all i see is buck passing. as for mal Zigler, weird enough, i was sort of friends with him and his wife, i know that sounds non standard for an airman no mark, but it was the case, he even helped me out of some little mess i got into once, even had drinks with them at the rod and gun club! now please tell me what the deal is with the guy, cause i told he was not just our chief! ya, putting people in place as far back as the summer is a big statement, and your correct, i and some others were in training at the time in texas, i dont know what lindas politics are these days? but we discused a bit of that on the phone this year, soon i will put what i know out, funny , at my 30th hs reunion this year, a friend that i went in with remembered some weird stuff from our time in basic, alot to it, and makes more sense to me every day. Well i knew enough about AF security to be given an M16, and i was just telling you how i make a living? sorry.
all the best, Larry

[puddlepirate]

In the photo of the sign as shown in LAEG between pages 238 and 239 of the 1997 UK hardback edition, the important part, i.e the actual alert state is hidden. All that can be seen is the heading 'Alert Condition'. Underneath that should be the alert state indicator. In 1980 the conditions (not sure if these applied to USAF bases in the UK) were known as 'bikini states': (lowest to highest) Bikini Black = no identified threat; Black Alpha = threat identified; Black Special = increased threat identified*; Bikini Amber = attack threat high, target known but location unknown; Bikini Red = attack imminent, target known, location known.

*from memory, alert states usually went from Black Alpha to Amber rather than Black Special

In the foreword of LAEG (page xii) Peter Robbins states that

....the base was on alert because the Soviet Unon had massed troops on Poland's borders. Moscow was threatening to invade and President Reagan and NATO had warned the Warsaw pact that any Soviet incursion could trigger East - West hostilities.

As there was no direct threat to either of the twin bases it is most likely that the alert state was Black Alpha - an increased state of preparedness and/or awareness but little more than that. However, if extra personnel were tasked to assist the SP/LE, which appears to have been the case (ref JP's forum post), then it suggests there was an increased local threat, perhaps CND were planning to march on Bentwaters to protest against nuclear weapons being stored there. This could have pushed the alert state to Bikini Amber - with the associated increase in security checks on personnel, vehicles and perimeter patrols (hence the need for more bodies). Not related to the RFI as such but useful background info. Perhaps JB or LW could verify that this was indeed the case (or if Bikini states were not used, the US DEFCON equivalent)?

[John Burroughs]

We used colors like Yellow Red and Black but we were not under alert Status if we were we would have been in 12 hour shifts!