May 2010 Transcript of Col Halt tape.

[Observer]

John

You mentioned my name, so I have decided to give a response. I have been following all the threads but as you know, I gave up posting some time ago because of all the ill feeling and 'fighting'.

I have listened to the tape many times and as you know, many members have transcsribed the tape on to this forum for the benefit of the members or to make a point in certain disputes re its dialogue.

I really don't think I can get any more information from listening to the tape again, but perhaps you guys who were there can. May be there are some little bits we/you missed or they don't add up, but its you guys that need to look/listen to it closely.

Ian knows my stance on the RFI and in his defence, I think that his explanation is partly right. Yes, some thing occurred in that forest that was and still is unexplanable, but in Halt's off base expedition with you guys, the lights that Ian said you saw were seen. They were confusingly lumped in as part of the same incident.
This leads me to the fact that in my opinion, several different incidents happened over 3 nights but although each one was different in nature, they were connected. In other words, night one incident led to night 2 and night 2 led to night 3. If you can join those up, you are home and dry.

Observer

[John Burroughs]

Observer
Thanks for jumping back in! Boys will be Boys and sometimes don't always see eye to eye but that does not mean we all can't get togther for a greater cause does it! What i have felt has been going on not just here but in most lines of questioning is most people are doing this to support there own theories or come up with a theory after only looking at a small portion of the facts!

[Observer]

John
As you know, I came up with many theories over the years, every one had some evidence to support it, but none had conclusive evidence. Some were more compelling than others and some ended up in the bin.
I can only work with known and established evidence which is not much, but I have no agenda or preference for a UFO or a man made incident. I have a completely open mind, but what little evidence I do have is erring on the side of a man made incident.
This is partly backed up with all the things going on around and after the incident rather than the incident its self. We have heard you guys give countless tesimony on TV interviews but not much is said from your chain of command! That is where you guys should be looking.

Observer

[John Burroughs]

Observer
The chain of Command issue is being addressed! I understand why they want to be careful! Lets get past the theories and put the facts down and discuss them point by point! Where is Frank when we need him? And I mean that with respect Frank jump back in! Who knows maybe we do need a Moderator after all!! Deep Purple I didn't mean to forget you mate!! Ben I know your out there jump in you have allot of facts to add! Steve and Larry jump in lets work on this together!!

[larry warren]

Guys may Hal 9000 work ! im with john about ian, yes he is a stone cold skeptic as any one not touched by this stuff in real time would be! but he was there from the early days and never once attacked a wittinesses and he also took alot of stick from the pro ufo gang aswell! the letter to my mother thing was not interprated correctly by ian but thats my falt for trying to be smarter than the usaf at 19 when i first listened to the tape i cant tell you the feeling i had when Col Halt said we see a small red light, i beleive that is the start point of caple green
as seen by Halts team from about 200 yards thru the trees. i know nothing about star scopes
or the science behind them, sgt bustinza was there with me at that point but trust me there are some very weird sub elements to this that must be explored some day so my jury is outour book made us no money , but it was read and i can say now that certain things were written into it with the intention of trigering a response from other wittinesses, even peter did not know this, but it had to be done, the tape is real and ony part of what went on, on the tape has any one herd the sufolk pd arrive on the dirt road?

[larry warren]

Sorry, the cops were in a Rover type truck, i will listen to the tape and give you the time on it
but after a 15 hour day im hittin the hay im more convinced than ever that these events will be blown wide open thanks to john jim and all the other fellas! and i can live with whatever the out come, IT WAS NOT US ! but that dosent haveto mean from mars !
also it saddens my that the uk now can boast that we too have mass murders! lets get disclosure and change the world! this one can and is the ONE !

[John Burroughs]

Thanks Larry lets get this rolling forword you and I were both out there that night and this is by far the most important piece of real time evidence! John

[China_Racer_1]

Ok guys time for me to chime in.

I am a professional planner and scheduler by trade. (After the Mercenary stuff) but even when I was soldiering I helped plan missions.

Here are my thoughts.

We have a base – The Halt tape_ however it is but a snippet here and there of the night’s events.

So unlike planning a project where we start at the beginning and work forward we will have to take the tape and its many gaps due to Halt turning the tape on and off to conserve power, and fill in the blanks.
We need to go minute by minute witness by witness sand get a flow chart of sorts going.

Example. Let’s say Mark Thompson comes forward as a witness. He says what happened when and get the best time line from him.

Then we sit Larry down and do the same then John then Adrian etc etc.

But we also need to know where they were at the time events happened. i.e. Larry emerged from the forest and saw airmen crying or fleeing what time and what location. If we find a witness that say I was at this location and I could not handle it and I had my head I hands crying then w have a piece of the puzzle.

It will take a lot of doing but we can use the Halt tape to get a basic time line gong. This is investigation at its purest and being ex Law Enforcement and Security Specialists it’s what we were trained to do so feel we are qualified t go through this exercise and time line the nights event out.
Let’s work on the Halt night first as we have evidence and a basic time line.

We need to start somewhere I think witness supporter and debunker alike can work on this as long as we all show respect. In the end we all seem to want to know the truth about the nights in question. I know there are some that might have their own agenda but if we can work on a strict timeline that is supported by witness testimony I think we can get something moving if nothing else it will get a dialogue going and perhaps encourage more to join I that might now have otherwise considered speaking up.

[AdrianF]

Let’s work on the Halt night first as we have evidence and a basic time line.

I've got a couple of questions/suggestions that I think seem unanswered and could help fill in the gaps. Larry, are you in touch with Greg Battram? In your book and in a couple of other early interviews, he stated that he was in the forest and came across a glowing fog. When they got scared they ran into a patrol headed by Bruce England. Was this the beginning of the tape and investigation, or was it later on in the tape? It does appear from the various transcriptions, that Bruce England wasn't present for a long period of time. Was this when he went off and collected the light alls and teamed up with you and Adrian Bustinza and then returning to the forest, bumped in to Battram?
Battram suggests that he was first on the scene, which if true, suggests that the Halt tape is a record of the latter part of the night.

[Storm]

LMAO

Well I can only say this. If you want to prove there is a god you would not ask an atheist to help you do so. You ask a historian to go over what you have to collate facts.

You do not ask a sceptic to help you prove a UFO existed when they have spent 30 years trying to prove otherwise lol. And you certainly do not ask one who's expertise is stars when the expertise needed is millitary procedure. Government analasys and radiation monitoring. To do so, to ask A sceptic devoted to proving that your are mistaken means that there is great potential to leave out facts based on personal opinion before they even reach your hungry eyes on here gentlemen. So to say otherwise is to delay you further than need be. Because if someone suggests something quite plausable and a certain sceptic refutes it a delay occurrs while we all mull it over and the best argument wins. However as I have already proven to you john and andrew and observer whilst it might be right it's wildly inaccurate. And that is a compromise no dedicated person could live with because down the line you get accused of changing the story. Then you have to trawl back to whenever to try and explain why that happened. It's more work and you lose credability.

A timeline is important but not for the reasons eveyone has suggested. It's important because it allows you to dissmiss certain ideas that have plagued this case for years. But more importantly it allows you to say what could not have happened. I agree the Halt tape is a big part of the puzzle but not for listening to it any more. For assesing what each bit now means.

But for instance I look at the way the instrument is read and see how the figures are obtained. Easy enough. Ridpath comes on Mr high and mighty Mr years of experience Mr all singing and dancing website and what does he say "well that's certainly imaginative" lol. Dissmissed. Next. Move on folks I am Mr Ridpath and my computer says no. Now sorry but that's not going to help you guys. If you can't see that your gonna be going at this for another few years yet. Cause if I had not explained further and I had cleared off well then everyone on here would still be listening to Mr Riddled with it. Some still might be. Damaga done end of story.

You gotta stick with facts not personal opinions and theories your right. So you have to minimise the potential for seeing a lighthouse when you could be looking at something else. Pun intended.

[Observer]

John

I am pretty sure that one of the forum threads/topics about 2 years ago came very close to the truth. It sent the authorities on both sides of the pond into a panic and from there on we started getting lots of 'disinformation' being posted. New faces appeared on the forum with theories and I suggest that they were there to steer you away from the truth.

From many statements made by you guys, there were lots of people out in the forest, try to get some of these guys to come forward and see what they have to say. You stand a better chance of doing this than us Brits do.

A few years ago we and that included me had a few digs at Ian, we derided his theory and basically took the piss. We sent him up if you remember, but never were we rude or disrespectful to him and he took it with good heart. Its much better to keep people like Ian on board rather than alienating them.

As for time lines, only you Americans can get that sorted out, you were there, we were not.

Observer

[Storm]

Its much better to keep people like Ian on board rather than alienating them.

Can you clarify why for me? Not being argumentative I am just fascinated as to how that conclusion is reached?

[Admin]

Its much better to keep people like Ian on board rather than alienating them.

Can you clarify why for me? Not being argumentative I am just fascinated as to how that conclusion is reached?

For the sake of balance. Question everything, whether it supports your beliefs or challenges them.

John

I am pretty sure that one of the forum threads/topics about 2 years ago came very close to the truth. It sent the authorities on both sides of the pond into a panic and from there on we started getting lots of 'disinformation' being posted. New faces appeared on the forum with theories and I suggest that they were there to steer you away from the truth.

Do you have a link to this particular thread, or can you recall its title?

[Storm]

For the sake of balance. Question everything, whether it supports your beliefs or challenges them.

Which is the obvious answer I was waiting for - and I agree - but your wrong with regard to this person. Because we are not looking for a balance are we, we clearly looking to progress and unless you hold the lighthouse theory dear then that becomes a bone of contention. Which you must argue over. Which takes time which cannot be resolved lol - else it would have been years and years ago. So you waste time on that. Obviously if that happens then it happens over every scrap and shred of opinion of evidence.

When that happens Admin - you get arguments and people fall out.

So as I said from "my perspective only" - Mr Ridpath has no credibility based on what I have seen him do with info THUS far on his site. It just causes arguments, resentment and has done ever since, and will continue to do so. Thats fine for a bar/pub etc . . it just does not get us any further because your implying we are both right lol. Sorry but that just wastes time. Its not my job to bring Ian up to speed on matters of radiation, its not my job to prove I am right to Ian, I am just an interested party. But When asked to, in effect, give Ian a break, sorry, that makes no sense if he is blatantly wrong, but still pushing the wrongness in my direction as per "well that's an imaginative theory". Forcing me to have to justify it after being proved to be less than informed. This is an expert apparently that has appeared on TV show after TV show lol, I mean come on.

This is what sets it back. Justification of obvious knowledge to those that argue when they have less than a bleeding clue. And that is a rant cause its bloomin obvious and should not need explaining really.

[tpreitzel]

So as I said from "my perspective only" - Mr Ridpath has no credibility based on what I have seen him do with info THUS far on his site. It just causes arguments, resentment and has done ever since, and will continue to do so. Thats fine for a bar/pub etc . . it just does not get us any further because your implying we are both right lol. Sorry but that just wastes time. Its not my job to bring Ian up to speed on matters of radiation, its not my job to prove I am right to Ian, I am just an interested party. But When asked to, in effect, give Ian a break, sorry, that makes no sense if he is blatantly wrong, but still pushing the wrongness in my direction as per "well that's an imaginative theory". Forcing me to have to justify it after being proved to be less than informed. This is an expert apparently that has appeared on TV show after TV show lol, I mean come on.

This is what sets it back. Justification of obvious knowledge to those that argue when they have less than a bleeding clue. And that is a rant cause its bloomin obvious and should not need explaining really.

Granted, it's difficult to simply ignore someone when you know the attack is unjustified and feel compelled to respond to correct the errors. Time wasted.

[John Burroughs]

Storm and Tpreitzel
I totally agree about not spending alot of time on it! However in saying that he has spent alot of time on breaking down the radition and the tape itself. He is the main person every one goes to for dubunking the case. He has a web site and has been responsible for making many people beleive nothing happened to us. He also has pounded away on the light house for years and so has a guy by the name of Dave Clarke. They both beleive nothing of any importance happened out there and have gone to great lengths to prove that point. I totally realize they will never change there mind but it would be nice to be able to take there points step by step to include the Radition and Tape itself and show otherwise! You don't have to agrue with anybody when the evidence shows otherwise but you can put there misleading statements and facts to bed once and for all!!! And Observer with great respect I would like to know what point was made that put everybody in panic to see if any of that would fit in with what was said on the tape. Then I think we need to get back to breaking down the tape and filling in the blanks. I'm also very curious on who you feeled joined the forum that to move everybody away from that point! I truley hope you want to help and not just take pot shots at people! I truley feel this tape can help get everybody back on track and might even get other people involved that were there! I have been in contact with someone who worked in the armorey at the time and he said the scope being used was a An/Pvs-2. I'm also trying to find out more about the readings on the radition!

[AdrianF]

When that happens Admin - you get arguments and people fall out.

Or everybody can agree and go around in circles blowing hot air up each others arses. The RFI has a number of inconvenient truths and these aren't likely to go away by shouting at those who've posed the questions.

[apt]

It will take a lot of doing but we can use the Halt tape to get a basic time line gong. This is investigation at its purest and being ex Law Enforcement and Security Specialists it’s what we were trained to do so feel we are qualified t go through this exercise and time line the nights event out.

This has already been done. Although it is not as far as I'm aware in the public domain, Gary Heseltine of the PRUFOS website has reportedly spent many moons detailing the exact sequence of events. He and Halt were collaborating on a screenplay for a proposed movie version to be greenlit some time in the future.

I can clearly remember Mr. Heseltine saying he had a fully chronological path of the entire RFI, and so if anyone should be contacted in regard to this endeavour it should be Gary. I shall try and dig out the interview in which he states this, though it may not be immediately forthcoming. Nevertheless, does anyone here know whether Gary Heseltine frequents this forum or not? He holds the key to unlocking this particular part of the riddle. At least, if not an absolute documentation of the night's events, it will be mightily interesting to all here for their perusal, would it not?

apt

[John Burroughs]

Gary has spent time working on the Incident and is trying to put together a movie! The funney thing is he is only working with Halt on this and only let Halt see the script. He has talked to me on line and in person in Washington DC and I'm sure he can help. The interesting thing is he feels that only one person needs to be the major player in this! Halt was out there on one night but not the others and if your going to base a movie on one night that works fine! But as usual like most he has gotten caught up on the Col factor so he only using one mans opinion on most things! I don't feel that person opinion is not important but there were alot of other people who were involved besides him. Some of them have stoped talking but are on the record in many places and there testomy can be used to fill in some of the blanks! So yes Gary could help work on this but there are so many other people who have knowledge and were there than who could also help blow this thing wide open!!

[larry warren]

APT, gary is a smart cop, and yes he and Col Halt have been working on a screenplay, and timeline ect, i know gary rather well as does john , but it is not complete as it is only Halts time line ! gary is still at work on it, as for the film, those things take time and luck, our book was optioned by Fast carrier pictures in 2000 in variaty, hollywood reporter, read by Stone, Howard
bruckhimer and yes even speilberg and lucas { Whom is very interested in the events} but after 9 11, the option was not renewed ! thats showbiz for real! gary now knows producer/ director Paul davids and is getting pointers on how the very unimaginatve film biz works, and after some meetings in the states hes gone back to work on the script! it is very hard to get a film made ! so lets wish him luck as it is his dream ! Good Man that Gary.