Ian was right

[AgentAppleseed]

Nothing will ever be settled around here. Whats settled, only stays settled, until such time as it becomes useful again!

[larry warren]

ian is ofcourse not correct with the lighthouse, but if it were not there, the sceptics would use other props !
to explain what happened, sadly it will always be that way, and always has been.

[Ignis Fatuus]

Did you see the fireball Larry? Looked freaky low eh?
How did you not see it John?

[stephan]

Good for you we didnot mistake the light house for anything and I'm tired of trying to get you to understand that!!

John, I never said that you or Jim saw the lighthouse. All I say is that - imo - it's very likely that what Halt and his team (which did not include you or Jim as far as I know) saw at that particular moment was the lighthouse.

ian is ofcourse not correct with the lighthouse, but if it were not there, the sceptics would use other props !
to explain what happened, sadly it will always be that way, and always has been.

Larry, it's important that you also understand that the lighthouse does not explain your experience as you were looking into the opposite direction of the lighthouse (towards the oak tree). It's all about certain passages on the Halt tape, nothing more at this point.

Listening to Halt's tape, how does the lighthouse "move from side to side" or "move off to the right"? What would cause Halt and Ball to exclaim "pieces of it are shooting off"?

Yes, the lighthouse does not fall into pieces or fly around. However, as for the movements and as pointed out earlier, when moving through the woods one easily gets the impression that distant objects are moving as well.

Stephan, watch the video linked below. Unlike the BBC's misleadingly zoomed and cropped footage of the lighthouse, this footage is unedited. The lighthouse would have been brighter in 1980, but other than that, this is what you'll see if you go to the forest at night.

I know this video but when Halt looked at it he saw it through a starscope, i.e. he saw a magnified and intensified version of the lighthouse light. As for the BBC video they may have zoomed in a bit with V. Thurkettle standing a few meters away so that the lighthouse light appeared bigger. But again, when Halt looked at it he also saw a magnified version of it. If it was indeed the starlight scope Ian mentions then the magnification would have been up to 4x (see here).

[larry warren]

I never saw a Fire ball nor did anyone else.
i did see a falling star before my shift and knew it for what it was, A meteor! but again that had nothing to do with what happend.
Steve, the tape is real, and from a group in a diffrent part of the forrest, if the light house was seen at anytime, by anyone out there, it would have been instantly identified then discounted!
you know , we who were there have our interpersonel problems, however not one of us has said these events represented anything less than unknown CRAFT, that left evidence, that left medical damage, that continues to influence our lives! why is that? no one is making money from it! the attention is at best adverse ! so why would ALL of us that CLAIM to be involved
keep it up? no gain but a boat loaD OF PAIN!! you guys that dident have the pleasure, (ian) please explain the above! THANKS

[Ignis Fatuus]

Whats red and blue and flashes on and off?

[larry warren]

answer, alot of bussinesses along canal street in amsterdam, red for open, blue for closed ! why dont ya deal with the issiues at hand dude, or are you another graduate of chickenshit high ?

[stephan]

there's another thing that's hard to imagine. If you ever looked at an airplane through binoculars you possibly know what I mean. What kind of image do you get (in a standing position, i.e. loosely held) with a bulky starscope with magnification turned on if you look at a moving object ? I'd suspect that the image would be quite shaky and it would be very difficult to make out exact details (like the pupil/ hollow center). Wouldn't it be wise to assume that the object Halt was looking at was stationary ? And when he (accidentaly ?) ''played'' with the zoom it seemed as if:

H: it's coming this way ...
[...] it is definitely coming this way

however, as for the color and the movement one notices a certain degree of uncertainty in his words:

H: I saw a yellow tinge in it, too. Weird. It, it, it appears to be maybe moving a bit this way ? Yes, it's brighter than has been.

If he alternately looked at the object through the starscope and without it he may have ''lost'' the perception of its distance and brightness.

[puddlepirate]

Larry, when you guys left the trucks in the clearing and were then ordered to head off down a narrow track, in which direction did you go? In the same direction as the track the trucks had driven down, i.e straight on (approx due east) or did you go off to the left or the right?

[Ignis Fatuus]

Put the gun down Larry.

“On the night of 25-26 Dec at around 3:00, while on patrol down at East Gate, myself and my partner saw lights coming from the woods due east of the gate. The lights were red and blue, the red one above the blue one, and they were flashing on and off. Because I’ve never seen anything like that coming from the woods before we decided to drive down and see what it was. We went down east-gate road and took a right at the stop sign and drove about 10-20 yards to where there is a road that goes into the forest. I could see a white light shining into the trees and I could still see the red and blue one. We decided we better go call it in so we went back up towards East Gate and called it in. The whole time I could see the lights and the white light was almost at the edge of the road and the blue and red lights were still out in the woods. A security unit was sent down to the gate and when they got there they could see it too. we asked permission to go and see what it was. We took the truck down the road that leads into the forest.

JBs Witness Statement

[larry warren]

We went Left, on a small trail then we turned right and continued thru the trees untill the field, on the way i saw some activity to my left at a bit of distance, an investigation of somthing, not long after that was the field.
the forrest is nothing like it was in 1980 and many of the small trails that existed then, no longer do.
The area that the trucks parked in is still there, although now a larger area, i was last in the area 4 years ago so things may have changed again. the field and its boundries remain unchanged including the landing site that i and others talk about and its proven evidence that continues to be ignored! because the truth is few want the TRUTH.
just a thought, we called the LZs in our book Ground Zero, after september 11 2001, i feel we all can identify the sites in a diffrent way, as the first thing a reader will think of now is 9 11, out of respect to those that died, i for one regret that we used the term, though many years before the attacks.
Oh , on the way back from caple green, i walked down a trail streight to the clearing that the trucks were parked in, why the deversion ? ive no idea, and that has now become the main route to the field dor all the sky watchers, i think well call it the Larry trail ! that should raise a few eyebrows.
hey man i dont have a GUN, have a bunch in the states (you know us gun mad yanks) the uk GOVERNMENT wont let its people arm themselves
as i think they suspect the game would be up for them! i see the deportation letter already! cheers

[puddlepirate]

Hi Larry

All OK here and good to see you back. That is really useful. Many thanks.

[Ignis Fatuus]

How about the ride in that Town Car with the glowing interior? Sounded like a bad trip.

[larry warren]

Glad that helps !mr P................
As for a bad trip ! yes ill give you that ! ofcourse that was further explored when i underwent regression with Budd Hopkins, and
it all fell into place and made some sense, as for that town car, strange that others saw it around aswell?
Clearly you think the case and testimony from ALL involved is BS, so i ask again what would be the motive? and better yet why wast your time ? you have called Jim, and Halt liers, im sure all the others are on your list too ! in thirty years ive yet to encounter folks like your self in person ? only on the internet with false tags ie names, someone told you that people like your self could get into trouble if the events ever went to court, perhaps a slander lawsuit? as for me i hate making lawyers rich and dont give a damn about court, i ride a little diffrent than the others and like my old friend Sonny Barger says " nothing gets your point across better than a punch in the mouth" .....................................Play games with the geeks on above top secret dude !

[stephan]

How about the ride in that Town Car with the glowing interior? Sounded like a bad trip.

yep and to me it sounded as if Larry had been drugged. While (involuntarily) intoxicated it is said that one experiences those kinds of things. So if he was drugged by those guys everything that happened afterwards (until he had a clear mind again) must be considered as a surreal view of an intentionally manipulated mind.

[John Burroughs]

Wow the shit's really flying today! Its nice to see the Monday mourning quaterbacks at work. Somebody a long time ago warned me to watch out for the guys who want one or two people to do all the work and then will try and take it all apart. Ian it should not be to hard to figure out what fire unit would come out but I beleive you allready know that answer don't you! Question is there any part of the original forrest still standing if so any of it around the incident site? Larry I would like if possible all of the interviews you have with Halt. Also one more question for all of you Monday mourning quaterback's take a look at all of the presention Halt has done and see if you can pick up anything strange thats going on with them. I will call it my question of the week!!

[Frank]

Alive555 found a very interesting article by James Easton, http://ufoupdateslist.com/1999/apr/m07-001.shtml

In contains elaborate and interesting statements of witnesses I’ve never heard about.

The first witness is Randy D. Smith, an Honor Graduate from Air Training Command. He was in the watch tower with a lot of other people during Halt’s night.
Excerpts of his statements:

It's a small tower and people were jammed in there body to body, overloading the tower I'm sure. More people than I've ever seen in the tower at one time.
I asked what everyone was looking at and they pointed out 3 objects that appeared like stars to the naked eye. Binoculars were being passed around and when I had my turn I saw VERY CLEAR images of 3 triangular shaped craft that were hovering a few miles away and above treetop level.

They were triangular in shape, larger than a fighter jet, but smaller than a C5. Definitely triangular with lights that were arranged around the bottom that were perhaps different colors but unable to distinguish at that distance. They didn't look to be so flat as an actual pyramid.


The second witness is Geraldo Valdes-Sanchez, also known as Jerry Valdez. He was a close colleague of Burroughs and Penniston. He thinks ‘Beachum’ was with John and Jim, while in reality it was Cabansag.
Excerpts of his statements about the first night:

Contact had been lost with Burroughs, Penniston and Beachum. The person on the post should have been Burroughs, but he was missing, the weapons were missing and the phone was off the hook. This was around 2:00 a.m. We were carrying weapons and were told to hold our position. MSgt Fail went out.

I could clearly see the lights from the gate, just outside the back gate. It was next to the road. They were intermittent lights, very bright, 15-20 feet above the ground. They were pulsating and from what I recall there were 3 lights, red green and blue.

It made no noise, but it defied gravity. It was really weird and scary. We all knew what we were looking at, but no one really came out and said it.

As far as people that saw or knew about this incident, there were well over 30 security people who swept the area looking for Beachum, Burroughs and Penniston, who were missing.

Burroughs and Penniston finally showed up. I somehow think something happened to them. They were acting strange.

I know that they got pictures and hard evidence of this thing. Penniston told me he shot a roll of film, but it had been confiscated.

Thanks, Alive555 !

[Admin]

Ian Ridpath speaking at Unconvention conference (October 2010):

[stephan]

Admin, thx for posting this vid, I've just finished watching it. Here's what I checked earlier. Ian says on his website:

Several times Halt estimated that the bearing to the light was about 110 degrees (he only ever described his compass bearings as approximate). In fact, allowing for the deviation of magnetic north from true north on that date, the actual bearing of the Orford Ness lighthouse seen from the forest would have been 99 degrees. An error of some 11 degrees does not seem bad for a reading on an intermittent light made at night. We don’t know whether other equipment Halt was carrying, such as his hand-held tape recorder, may have deflected the compass reading. [Note: I have never seen any reference to the type of compass Halt was using but it was presumably a standard military lensatic compass, the use of which is described here. These should not be used near metal or electrical equipment. They must also be held steady and level for accuracy, and Halt was on the move much of the time.]

source: http://www.ianridpath.com/ufo/rendlesham2a.htm

so I first examined the Halt tape again where he observed the object in question. The compass heading is mentioned several times at 110°. Quoting from my own transcript (first it's 120°):

1.: H: that's a strange, small, red light. Looks we are maybe a quarter to a half mile, maybe further out. I switch off. ... The light is gone now. It was approximately 120 degrees from the site

2.: The light is still there and all the barnyard animals have gotten quiet now. Yeah, we are heading about 110/120 degrees from the site out through to the clearing now

3.: there we go to about approximately four foot off the ground, at a compass heading of 110 degrees.
H: er, turn the meter off. Let's say that again. About four feet off the ground, about 110 degrees

4.: we are at the far side of the farmer's, the second farmer's field and made sighting again about 110 degrees. This looks like it's clear after the coast, it's right on the horizon. Moves about a bit and flashes from time to time.

so what this indicates is that the object is always more or less (approximately) located in the same position, i.e. it either doesn't move much or at all. It's always low above the horizon and it ''flashes from time to time''.

Now I checked Ian's claim that the lighthouse is located about 100° from the position where they witnessed the object. For this I used Google Earth which ruturned only 94°. However if you take the magnetic declination at the date and location into consideration (as Ian has pointed out) you find that a compass would have read roughly 100° (or 99.2° to be precise) which is only ten degrees less than what Halt read on his compass:

[ncf1]

I know, that's why they gave Halt the promotion to full Colonel, that'll learn him for being such a silly duffer and making a mistake pointing out a lighthouse that makes the animals go crazy! And as for YOU Jim, Larry and others, here's a few squirts of Sodium pentathol just so you don't do it again in future! Whatever it is you were doing! Just DONT DO IT AGAIN! Do I make myself clear??!

Those crazy, crazy Americans, hey Ian. Should just wipe em all out completely hey. They'll never be as brilliant as an Astronomer from the UK, not ever. Note the capital A.