What knocked over a tree?

[bnj]

"It knocked a tree right over"


Here is a portion of my transcript of the Halt tape. (For Bruni's version, see page 402 of the first edition of her book.)



Halt. Is it back again?

Englund. Yes, sir.

Halt. Well, douse the flashlights, then.

(possible break in tape)

Halt. Let's move out to the edge of the clearing then, so we can get a better look at it. See if you can get the starscope on it.

(break in tape)

Halt. The light's still there and all the barnyard animals have gotten quiet now.

(break in tape)

Halt. Yeah, we're headin' about a hundred and ten, hundred and twenty degrees from the site out through to the clearing now, still getting a reading on the meter - about two clicks.

(break in tape)

Halt. Meter's jumped three to four clicks, getting stronger.

unknown voice. (indistinct)

Englund or Nevels. Now it's stopped. Now it's coming up! Hold up - there we go! About approximately four foot off the ground at a compass heading of a hundred and ten degrees.

Halt. I just turned the meter off. Now, say that again.

(break in tape)

Halt. ... About four feet off the ground about a hundred and ten degrees, getting a reading of about four clicks?

Englund or Nevels. Yes sir (indistinct) (He coughs.) Excuse me. Now it's died.

Halt. Now it's died. I think it's something over on (maybe "other than", maybe "on the") the ground that's - something valuable ("variable" ?) here.

Nevels. It knocked a tree right over...

(break in tape)

[Observer]

Never heard of this.
If a tree got 'knocked' over that would make quite a noise. Sure it was not one already felled near the object.
Any ideas.

Obs

[bnj]

Observer begins his post of November 14, 2008 with

Never heard of this,

Here is a rather long quote from the second paragraph of "The Mysterious Steve Roberts", the fifth chapter of Bruni's book "You Can't Tell the People":

"It was 2 January 1981 when Roberts told Brenda what had taken place in Rendlesham Forest. Less than forty-eight hours earlier he had mentioned it briefly to Chris [Pennington], who suggested he talk directly to his girlfriend because of her interest in UFO's. Roberts said an incident had taken place on 27 December, when shards of light had lit up an area where aliens were busy repairing their crashed spacecraft. There were other witnesses, too, including the base commander, who had actually communicated with the beings. Roberts claimed to have been driven to the landing site in a jeep with three other witnesses. He went on to say that the incident had lasted three hours, during which time the craft had hit a tree."

However, nowhere in "Sky Crash" is there a mention that Steve Roberts claimed that a craft had hit a tree. The first (and brief) account of what Roberts said is on the second page of Chapter 1of that book, entitled "Birth of a Rumor". I quote from that account:

"Steve Roberts said that the event had occurred just six nights before, on 27 December. The UFO had suffered some kind of malfunction and had come down among the trees."

So implicit in this account of Robert's testimony is that the craft, rather than hitting a tree had missed all of them!

I will briefly go into what else "Sky Crash" has to say on this particular subject in my next post.

[Observer]

Oh dear, we are back to little green men from Mars again.

If you may recall, Jenny Randles [who was the author of Skycrash] recently or within the last 18 Months said, "I no longer believe anything of significance happened at Rendlesham".

I suggest you ask her what she meant by this 'U' turn comment.

Obs

[John Burroughs]

Observer
Why do you have to turn into a Bully again. I have know Ben for years and guess what he not saying its little green men. He bringing up somthing that for the most part has been overlooked. Ben has taken the time to talked to more witness and has more interviews on tape including Halt and Penniston than anybody involved in this case. Who says it has to be little green men there is alot of things that could have knocked a tree down. I also have been in touch with Jennie Randles in the last 2 years and I think maybe you should get back in touch with her. Ask her to come on the forum but most of all comming from someone who was there and someone who has put allot of time and effort including flying around the US talking to witness and researher (Ben) cut the guy some slack he has allot of facts and interviews to discuss which will help this forum out allot. To me you spend most of your time cutting people down for what they have to say. And to tell you the truth I could understand why people would not want to post what they have to say.

[Observer]

John
I aint no bully, this forum seems to have 2 camps, one group thinks it was an extra terrestrial visit and the other does not. There is a third category which i call the fence sitters who take great pleasure in debunking everything but never come up with any thing themselves, I'm sure they know who they are. I'm more in the does not camp but need persuading with evidence to move to the other camp. Can't be fairer than that. You yourself have advocated a man made weapon/test that was the cause of this incident, but none of us could find any evidence to support that scenario.

John you don't seem to notice when some one jests and you take every thing to heart, lighten up.

I heard that Robert Hastings was or already has interviewed you, let us know how you get on.

Obs

[Observer]

St

I believe it was either admin, Nick Pope or Dr David Clark that mentioned this. I really don't remember and I'm certainly not in possession of that quote but i do remember reading it.
It may even have been Ian Ridpath. Apologies to all mentioned if I'm wrong. Its on the forum some where.

Obs.

[John Burroughs]

Observer
When you jump down somebodys throat like Oh dear we are back to little green men from mars you come off a s a bully. So what if people it could have been Extra Terrestrial thats there right. And no where in Bens post does he even try and say that. As far as I can see nobody as of yet has come up with what it is. But through observation I can see you like to slam the door shut on that possibility right away. As far as Jenniy goes I have a E-mail she sent to be awhile back and she does not say she beleives I no longerbeleive anything of significance happened. My therory is based on first hand experiance and stuff that has less just say been droped in my lap the last few months. But again its just a therory because like you stated ihave not been able to prove it yet! As far as Robert Hastings goes we have spoken and should be speaking again soon. Unless you can prove it was not Extra Terrestrial you might want to gave people a chance to say what they have to say. In Fact halt has said it appeared to be under some kind of control and Ball stated there was somthing inside the Blue lights. And how can you expain what has come out under Hypnois from Jim and I. Yes it stated it was from the furture which beleive me its very hard for me to understand but its there. And please donot try and say I'm now saying its extra terrestrial I'm not I'm just saying the jury is still out and all evidance should be allowed to be presented with out someone ripping it apart.

[Observer]

John
I have thought for some time that it was something from another dimension and that could mean any number of things which are beyond my intelligence to understand. There are a few members of the forum who don't agree with that view point and say it was a man made event/accident and all this is a cover up. Either way its going to be virtually impossible to prove.

Obs

[AdrianF]

BNJ

Welcome to the forum.

I've linked to the clip on the tape, if you loop it till it drives you crazy, it sounds like Halt says "variable" and ( Nevels?) says something like " knocked/notched a tree right over "
http://chillfactorfilms.com/tmpstore/Halttree.mp3
Cheers

Adrian

[bnj]

Silvertop,

I am not claiming or even suggesting that Monroe Nevels is Steve Roberts. What I am saying is:

(1) The very first account (by Steve Roberts) of the Rendlesham Forest incident included the claim that a craft if a tree.

(2) What purports to be a recorded account of a portion of the incident made while it was happening includes a statement (by Monroe Nevels) that something knocked a over a tree .

[bnj]

AdrianF,

Thank you for isolating and posting that important if very short passage of the Halt tape. I will surely keep in mind that you can do this sort of thing!

bnj

[Observer]

Was it not 'Steve Roberts' or whoever he is who first mentioned the alleged UFO to Brenda Butler in a local pub and that's how this whole saga got started. It was impeccable timing as that's the same time that Halt told Moreland and around the same time as the memo was sent. There was nothing for 2 weeks after the incident then it all kicked off from different people!

Obs

[Beentheredonethat]

Obs,
That does kinda sound orcastrated or all those released comm events were kicked off in a logical sequence. Thats not natural. Where did Steve Roberts get his intel, from who and exactly when? Hault?
BTDT

[Observer]

BTDT

It does seem that it was a timed and planned release of information at very low level such as the pub and it is strange that this coincided or almost did with Halts memo and Sqd Ldr Moreland being informed.

This could be how they wanted the incident to be seen, a UFO as it then diverts attention away from what really happened. It was nearly two weeks before Halt sent the memo to the MoD, but i suggest hear that it was because they had to get a story in place and everyone was singing from the same hymn sheet first.
I also wonder why Brenda Butler was told, because from my information, no Brits had initially witnessed this incident so why spread the story at all. The only Brits to get involved were the local Police. I suspect that they were just covering all angles, just in case.
It was a planned and coordinated smoke screen.
If you remember what General Williams said to Halt, there are things in that memo we can't defend. Halt also said to Williams, if we sent that memo, you, me and the Air Force will never be the same.

This definitely means the memo was altered to contain no contentious information before being sent.
All it said was, lights were seen.

Obs

[AdrianF]

Sometime around about the 6th of January, in my estimation. Not only that but the so called men in black were also reported around this timeframe locally. Could have been journalists, but I've found absolutely no reports in newspapers through this period. Maybe plain clothes bobbies.

Maybe Steve Roberts could join the forum? As it's not his real name, he could keep his anonymity...

How about it Steve?

Adrian

[John Burroughs]

How about the Memo Halt wrote was written after people started talking about it off base and questions were being asked. The memo has the wrong dates so I'm sure it was written that way to cause problems from the beggining. All of the reports had disapeared and the only document out there was Halts memo. It was not a cover because that what we saw a UFO were it got interesting was when warren started talking about it being some kind of ailien contact. Can anybody post what Roberts first said?

[Observer]

John

Halt's memo only mentions 'lights seen' and it does not say anything about a UFO.
Do you believe Larry Warren and the alien contact.

Obs

[John Burroughs]

OB
To us it was a UFO because it was unidentified and yes Halts memo stated lights. Jim did identify it as a object. The USAF when contacted by CNN when DeCaro was doing his piece stated they stood by the Halts memo. I was first I dentified by Public Affairs at Bentwaters as being the one talking about it when it was Warren who was stiring up the pot in the states which I always wondered why. And Halt was the one who started talking about someone getting on top of the object IE me from the beggining and now I no where that came from Penniston who was talking about it at the party in 1983. If you remember awhile back I asked Robbins about Warren talking about Gen Williams having contact with ailiens and he replied I beleive that Warren didnot say that. He did in the CNN report and Robbins told me he would get back to me on that and never has. There also is a tape with Warren talking with Halt and saying to him maybe he just dreamed all of this and he also made a statement that he was in Germany when this happened. As far as Warren goes he may have been out there on the third night but I beleive he is telling Bustinza story or most of Bustinza story with some of what he may have witness on the 3rd night. Under Hypnois it comes out when I meet up with Halt he tells me we have had telopathic contact with the lights and I say this again under Hypnois this comes out. Bustinza Witness the lights that were beaming down at Halts feet and Ball mention in the CNN piece he saw somthing in the blue lights that could have been well and Halt has stated the lights appeared to be under some kind of control. I have been given some information that makes me wonder if it was some kind of mind control operation and maybe just maybe it was not us doing it. The Question is why would this being going on a test or a cover for some kind of Military operation US or Russian?

[Observer]

John

Thanks for that info. Not very nice people to conduct mind control experiments on you guys at Christmas. Most un Christian.
I also believe that a lot of Larry's story was taken from Bustinza and others. Peter Robbins was the Pro writer not Warren and he had a book to sell.

Obs