Larry Warren Interview on "Now That's Weird"

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Re: Larry Warren Interview on "Now That's Weird"

Postby IanR » Sat Jun 21, 2008 1:17 am

Andy wrote:Also i would like to know, did he allegedly sign an official secrets document? I don't necessarily expect an honest answer, or get one, or you to be able to answer it, because only he can answer that, but considering OSD's might have been involved, would be interested to read, nonetheless, an answer.

Why would you expect him to be asked to sign such a document? There was nothing secret about a few lights in the forest or a few marks on the ground and on the trees. Halt's memo to the MoD was not classified in any way. And if the USAF really did want to keep the events secret, why call the local bobbies to the scene, not once but twice?

Andy wrote:Also, how much was he paid exactly, if at all, for doing that video clippage for TV?

Zilch. It was a news item and the BBC do not pay for news interviews. Neither was he paid for speaking to The Times
http://www.ianridpath.com/ufo/VinceTimes.jpg

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Re: Larry Warren Interview on "Now That's Weird"

Postby Andy » Sat Jun 21, 2008 1:22 am

It's definitely in the reprint, Ian and here is the site ie second path on the left of route eight (previously twelve) straight ahead and slightly to your left, and nowhere near in front of the lighthouse in the back ground: ??

http://s140.photobucket.com/albums/r18/ ... site-1.jpg

As said, i've never witnessed a lighthouse flash to the left of my shoulder from this point (and the point that apparently Thurkettle showed Bruni? according to the description in her book and rough map) and neither was it red, if ever i saw it. I don't expect you to be anwering these questions.... Mr Thurkettle should.
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Re: Larry Warren Interview on "Now That's Weird"

Postby Andy » Sat Jun 21, 2008 1:27 am

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Re: Larry Warren Interview on "Now That's Weird"

Postby IanR » Sat Jun 21, 2008 1:29 am

Andy wrote:It's definitely in the reprint, Ian and here is the site ie second path on the left of route eight (previously twelve) straight ahead and slightly to your left, and nowhere near in front of the lighthouse in the back ground: ??
http://s140.photobucket.com/albums/r18/ ... site-1.jpg


Sorry, that link doesn't work.
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Re: Larry Warren Interview on "Now That's Weird"

Postby IanR » Sat Jun 21, 2008 9:26 am

puddlepirate wrote:Ian
No, on the jetty it is not well above your head. Far from it. It is nowhere near above your head. At most it is six feet off the horizon, if that. When standing on the jetty it is a very small, insignifcant light..

I was posting replies too quickly last night before I went to bed. I have now looked at the figures and you are right. As seen from Orford Quay, the light would be about half a degree (one Moon diameter) off the horizon. So it is the blanking that is the main factor in reducing the intensity of the light as seen from Orford Quay, which should be no surprise as that's what it's there for. From the forest, you are looking right down the path of the beam, past the edge of the blanking. There's a nice big notch which lets the light through
http://www.ianridpath.com/ufo/OrfordNess1a.jpg
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Re: Larry Warren Interview on "Now That's Weird"

Postby puddlepirate » Sat Jun 21, 2008 10:44 am

Hi Ian

The other problem is that from the jetty the lighthouse doesn't throw out a beam of light as such, it just flashes...a tiny white light flashing in the distance. If you check a nautical chart or a nautical almanac such as Reed's, you will see the red light is much lower than the white and that it shows in sectors only visible along the coastline, not inland. The red light cannot be seen from the jetty and it certainly cannot be seen from anywhere either in the forest or along the edge of the farmer's field. Halt saw a red light and pursued it over the farmer's field. As can be seen in your photo, the field slopes down into what might best be described as a valley. As you stated in the text with your photo, there is only one place along the edge of the farmer's field from which the very top of the lighthouse can be seen; move from that spot and it is hidden. Halt's men were going down the slope so despite the fact they were chasing a red light not a white one, had they been chasing a white light even that would have disappeared from view as soon as they took a few steps into the field - yet they chased it down a slope and across the stream at the bottom of the field.

When standing at Chantry Point (see OS map Explorer 212) an observer will see the lighthouse from side on and get a clear view of the shield blocking the light from shining inland. Viewed from Chantry Point the shield looks like capital C and a line drawn from the lighthouse through Chantry Point, extends towards Crag Farm, about 1.5 miles south of the place on the edge of the field at Capel Green from where your photo was taken. Therefore, if an observer now moves up to the farmer's field from Chantry Point the shield becomes progressively more effective because the observer is now moving behind it. Therefore, because from inland the lamp is shielded from approx 000 deg right round to about 140 deg (from Halt's position the light bears 110 deg - which means he was on a reciprocal bearing of 290 deg from the lighthouse and well into the shielded sector) only a small fraction of the light could possibly be seen from the edge of the field. Irrespective of the fact that the light had a greater range (30 miles) in 1980 than now (20 miles), I find it hard to believe there would have been a beam sweeping through the forest every five seconds - plus of course, prior to the 1987 hurricane, the forest was, apparently, more dense than it is now.

In all honesty, to me it sounds like Halt and his men were chasing somebody mucking about with a powerful torch that had a red gel over the lens. The prankster gets to the road that runs through Capel Green then lets off a firework, at which time Halt and his men give up...
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Re: Larry Warren Interview on "Now That's Weird"

Postby puddlepirate » Sat Jun 21, 2008 12:49 pm

Hi Ian

Have you inadvertently mixed up the image you posted at: http://www.ianridpath.com/ufo/OrfordNess1a.jpg
with one you took with a telephoto lens from Chantry Point?

This is an image I took from Chantry Point with a 75mm lens.
http://www.powfoto.com/KX148CV.html
Mine is a poor quality image but if you look carefully you can see that the viewpoint of the lighthouse in my image is virtually exactly the same as the viewpoint in your photo. Also in my photo the lightouse is quite small yet my viewpoint was only 1.5 miles from the light. In your photo the lighthouse appears very large in comparison to the trees and the foreground, yet you took your photo from about 5.5 miles away. A telephoto lens would enlarge everthing within its angle of view, not just the lighthouse so I'm a bit perplexed regarding (a) your viewpoint and (b) why the top of the lighthouse appears to be disproportionately large in relation to the trees and the foreground.....
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Re: Larry Warren Interview on "Now That's Weird"

Postby Andy » Sat Jun 21, 2008 1:33 pm

I re-checked today, not that i really needed to, because without wishing to sound arrogant, i knew i was right.... and i am.
Standing at the site which GB describes, there is no way on Earth you could re-create that video footage with the light house flashing in the background. That footage was definitely taken within the area of area 4 (UFO trail) overlooking the farmer's field, and nowhere even near to the site he (Vince Thurkettle) showed GB, or Even Halt's site for that matter. So what is that all about? Two totally different sites, shown to two different people? Guess it only reinforces for me what i've thought about the man all along, but won't print here, lest the truth offends.
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Re: Larry Warren Interview on "Now That's Weird"

Postby IanR » Sat Jun 21, 2008 4:22 pm

puddlepirate wrote:Hi Ian
Have you inadvertently mixed up the image you posted at: http://www.ianridpath.com/ufo/OrfordNess1a.jpg
with one you took with a telephoto lens from Chantry Point?

No. The photo I linked to was sent to me by a local resident, Tony Nelson of Wickham Market. Like my own photos
http://www.ianridpath.com/ufo/rendlesham2.htm
it was taken from the 'traditional' (i.e. Halt) landing site but with a more powerful lens, i.e. near enough Point 4 on the UFO trail, not far from the picnic bench. The caption on my page explains the background and gives dates.

In the photo gallery on this site, Admin has a photo taken from the selfsame spot
http://www.rendlesham-incident.co.uk/ga ... fullsize=1
enlargement here
http://www.rendlesham-incident.co.uk/ga ... fullsize=1
Perhaps Admin can tell us more about the dates and camera equipment used for these photos.

I have never been to Chantry Point, but looking at a map I see that it lies virtually on a line between the 'landing site' and the lighthouse, so the lighthouse is seen from virtually the same angle as in your photo.

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Re: Larry Warren Interview on "Now That's Weird"

Postby IanR » Sat Jun 21, 2008 4:50 pm

Andy wrote:I re-checked today, not that i really needed to, because without wishing to sound arrogant, i knew i was right.... and i am.
Standing at the site which GB describes, there is no way on Earth you could re-create that video footage with the light house flashing in the background. That footage was definitely taken within the area of area 4 (UFO trail) overlooking the farmer's field, and nowhere even near to the site he (Vince Thurkettle) showed GB, or Even Halt's site for that matter. So what is that all about? Two totally different sites, shown to two different people? Guess it only reinforces for me what i've thought about the man all along, but won't print here, lest the truth offends.

Now hold on here...
As I have explained, the BBC video showing Vince and the flashing lighthouse was taken from a point in the forest (after the trees had been felled) somewhat west of the 'traditional' or 'accepted' landing site, which is near enough Point 4 on the UFO Trail. At the time the interview was filmed, the purpose was not to locate the exact site (it had by then been eradicated by forestry operations) but simply to demonstrate that the lighthouse was visible from the general area, a rather significant fact which the original investigators had somehow failed to mention.

Point 4 on the UFO Trail is indeed Halt's site, so there is no contradiction here.

I don't know where Georgina says Vince took her, as that is not in the first edition of her book (the version that I have). Is she possibly referring to the Penniston landing site, as shown in the Sci Fi channel programme? This is quite different from the Halt site. It is actually Penniston who is out of step here, although for some reason Georgina seemed to believe him rather than Halt.

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Re: Larry Warren Interview on "Now That's Weird"

Postby Andy » Sat Jun 21, 2008 5:07 pm

IanR wrote:
Andy wrote:I re-checked today, not that i really needed to, because without wishing to sound arrogant, i knew i was right.... and i am.
Standing at the site which GB describes, there is no way on Earth you could re-create that video footage with the light house flashing in the background. That footage was definitely taken within the area of area 4 (UFO trail) overlooking the farmer's field, and nowhere even near to the site he (Vince Thurkettle) showed GB, or Even Halt's site for that matter. So what is that all about? Two totally different sites, shown to two different people? Guess it only reinforces for me what i've thought about the man all along, but won't print here, lest the truth offends.

Now hold on here...
As I have explained, the BBC video showing Vince and the flashing lighthouse was taken from a point in the forest (after the trees had been felled) somewhat west of the 'traditional' or 'accepted' landing site, which is near enough Point 4 on the UFO Trail. At the time the interview was filmed, the purpose was not to locate the exact site (it had by then been eradicated by forestry operations) but simply to demonstrate that the lighthouse was visible from the general area, a rather significant fact which the original investigators had somehow failed to mention.

Point 4 on the UFO Trail is indeed Halt's site, so there is no contradiction here.

I don't know where Georgina says Vince took her, as that is not in the first edition of her book (the version that I have). Is she possibly referring to the Penniston landing site, as shown in the Sci Fi channel programme? This is quite different from the Halt site. It is actually Penniston who is out of step here, although for some reason Georgina seemed to believe him rather than Halt.

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I'm not getting at you Ian, and please don't think that... as said, i have great respect for you. Area 4 is not Halt's area either, however; GB gives clear intructions and a 'rough map' in her book to get to the site that VT apparently showed her, and is easily found, and that is the site he showed HER. However, as said, from there you cannot re-create the footage of him standing there with the lighthouse flashing behind him? The site he showed you WAS obviously area 4 (no fault of yours... obviously his). All i'm saying is that for a forester, who would know that forest better than most, surely? why then show one person one site?, but when seemingly having a moment of five minutes fame, take the News crew to a totally different part of the forest, so that the best effect of the lighthouse in the background can be seen??? I'm not expecting you to answer that..... only he can.
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Re: Larry Warren Interview on "Now That's Weird"

Postby IanR » Sat Jun 21, 2008 5:48 pm

Andy wrote:[Area 4 is not Halt's area either

What makes you say that? Where do you think his site is?
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Re: Larry Warren Interview on "Now That's Weird"

Postby Andy » Sat Jun 21, 2008 6:26 pm

IanR wrote:
Andy wrote:[Area 4 is not Halt's area either

What makes you say that? Where do you think his site is?
Ian


That really is so interesting (for me, anyhow) why you said that Ian, and i am intrigued now... for certain reasons. Where do you think or understand the alleged 'Halt site' to be? The reason i say this is that BB (who i'm afraid to say, nice lady that she seems, is another who appears to contradict herself?), when i pointed out GB's site, as mentioned in her book, BB would adamantly have none of it, and stated 'Nothing happened the other side of route 10.' She then said GB's site was 'directly in line with the light house and about fifty yards into the trees' which then, granted VT would apparently be right on this occasion. But then, why all this apparent confusion by all those mentioned, in the mean time? Again, i don't expect you to answer that, only VT, BB et al can, and why would GB want to give apparently false details and a map?, apparently courtesy of VT,which i don't believe for one moment she did. At the end of the day we will never know, but there has been a lot of water muddying in the meantime, and seemingly those in the know, apparently knowing nothing, or failing that, seemingly having a poor memory.
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Re: Larry Warren Interview on "Now That's Weird"

Postby IanR » Sat Jun 21, 2008 10:43 pm

Andy wrote:Where do you think or understand the alleged 'Halt site' to be?

Andy, I have started a new thread called The Landing Site where I have attempted to answer your question.

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