My Arse!

[larry warren]

Hello CLEAVLAND!!!!!!
Look, after 27 years of dealing with the shithouses that infest ufo wittinesses lives,
including myown, and never directly, may i add.
ive concluded that the internet is a haven for every geek that had his or hers ass kicked
in the school yard, so now these pricks can have a go at the people with balls, that stand up
and get counted, no matter what the odds.from the safty of moms house.
Back when i outed BentwAters, the shithouses had pissant news letters, or used the phone
to cause mischef.
Cowards then and Cowards now, and beleive me ive seen three decades of these douchbags
come and go! may i add that some of these morons are {respected ufoligists} thay know who
i mean, UFOLIGISTS< MY ARSE!.
People, and that includes some of the other wittinesses, if you are going to run your game
on me, you had better come at me from a position of strength! to date and in 27 years
that has yet to happen, read the fuckin book, and take notes before you start runnin your
trash mouths, bitches.
this is fun, some of these wasters like to talk shit about me, but always add that im a nice guy
truth is i can be a nasty prick when required and some people on this site know the rest
of the story!
i think this site is good, and important, but have you read my wickapedia profile?
i promice thet shit wont fly, high school musical bullshit.
oh well, thought id light a little fire, before i TCB sat.
ofcourse this aint aimed at you guys, you wouldent trach mouth me would ya, cause
we are all pals! right.
MY ARSE!!

PS ricky tomlinson is my neighbor and has read East Gate, and digs it also thinks the
case is important! also thinks it should be a film, halts or otherwise.

more to follow, good by CLEAVLAND!

Larry,the story changer,{piss off} Warren

[China_Racer_1]

Larry, Don't hold back tell us how you really feel! lol

Good to see your still you. Lets make sure the BS does not get in the way of our friendship. Cause its all so much sh*t out there that its often hard to see the truth when so much shit spews from so many peoples mouths.... Mine included I am sure ha ha

Nie to see your alive and kicking my brotha.

World Wide...
Steve

[John Burroughs]

Larry
I'm really interested in how you think this last post will help! You also stated that James Fox is Halts poodle when in fact he has gotten more people together in his film I know what I saw that anybody else has! Halt is the go to guy because he was the highest ranking person involved plain and simple! He has taken control of who is involved because he is allowed to because more people will listen to him over all of us together! If General Williams would ever come out and be willing to talk about the incident like Halt has he would be the go to guy! As far as dealing from strength how about this! You have changed your story over the years 2 things stand out to me. 1. You are on tape saying you were telling Bustinza story Sacha has told me it was a mistake how so? Also you did say on the CNN piece that LT Col Williams made contact with the ailiens from the ship and we helped them repair it! Is that true or not? People are free to say what they want to say! And its true that most of the people who like to run there mouth's have know idea what happened to us or what we have had to go through over these past 29 years!

[Sacha Christie]

Ok.. massive post vanishing.. uhuh.... Pissed off now.. WTF? How very convenient considering the content.

John I did not say that at all... you have taken that out of context totally.... my exact words....

Larry has dug his own grave in a sense.. but only in the sense that he didn't play by the boys club etiquette... I know where he's coming from... I also know about the bustinza fiasco.. a foolish and misguided decision which will bite him on the ass forever.... I can see why he would do it... It's obvious.. My god you were all kids when this happened!!! My son's 18.... He's a right numpty!!! Thinks he's the man.. thinks he knows it all but is figuring it all out and learning by mistakes.... and of course running home to mummy hahaha!!! Fact is.. something like this can be the end of you... so what if he incorporated a friends story to save him from going through the embarrassment and from being on the receiving end of the consequences... Larry was already up to his neck in it anyway>>> Who'd have thought it would have ever come to this anyway all those years ago? Thinking years into the head isn't something teenagers do it is?

No matter... Fact is that pretty much everyone's had inconsistencies, they're all just reasons to distract from the issue.. Halt changes his and gets carried shoulder high through the streets of D.C? riight.. what a hero.

Who gives a shit about arse hair splitting? You were there, he was there.. what happened happened and no amount of trying to pick holes in a person for nearly 30 years is going to change that fact. Great isn't it? You've lived with it for 30 years.. had no end of crap said and printed by people who have formed their opinions on other peoples opinions without any research and thats that... ufo circus? Who the hell are you? Get your head out of your arse and look at the people who are involved... THE ADMIRAL OF THE FLEET thought something had happened that needed investigating..!

So I'm a clown.. anyone who knows unknown structured craft are in our airspace is a clown.. the pilots who are scrambled who report back with what they are seeing are clowns.. or are they prancing ponies or dogs jumping through hoops? GET OVER YOURSELF!! Sanctimony is a luxury afforded by those who hide behind a keyboard snivelling. Come to the reunion.. talk to people face to face like you do on here.. all of you. I've never known such a set of bitches and I went to an all girls school.

I am sacha christie... i wasn't there, it's nothing to do with me.. I'm doing this because i can and I want to and theres naff all any of you can say unless you were there and you saw it yourself.. otherwise you only have opinions.. just like the rest of us... "What part did you play at rendlesham" in one post...... Why what part did you play? were you the mystery camera man? were you an actual witness or just on base? if you were just on base then you might as well have just been round at mine having a coffee and a fag.. oh sorry cigarette.. fag means something else in the US doesn't it..

You are all so smug and superior... I have to say the posts I read that "Nothing happened" made me have to go to the shop for some tenna lady... The more pompous you get the funnier you are but you just don't see it....

Yeah... well thanks for listening i'm going outside to smoke a fag.

[larry warren]

Hi fellas,
steve, john.
Look man idont give a shit what people who dont know me think,
but will deal bullshit that is said about me, directly and with a little humor aswell,
thats who i am.
john, i respect what you are trying to do, i am not supprised that others are trying
to hijack your vission, you are a long serving vet, but ive been in the public with this thing
for 27 years, and you new guys are gonna beeaten alive, by the devils you will
be dancing with, good luck.and be ware.
as for your 2 questions, yes i made an error in calling williams a lt col i do make mistakes from time to time, sorry.
I never said i saw anyone repair anything, chuck asked me about what happened
or what i heard happened after i left the site, although i dont believe it
another wittness told me exactly that.
youve done enough tv john to knowthat great editing makes for great ratings,
yep even on CNN, further to the point, review the book, i beleive you have it,
go to page 138, thats your source, and in black and white.
im not gonna address that one again cause you bring it up every year?
this next one 2, i really look forward to, the fucking tape, right,
i have the tape as well, and i hope lovely linda howe puts it out so all can hear,
cause the chick is away with the farieys, the ailens had devils tails, my arse!
fuck this, man just read the book, go to page
152 and read on, when he denide he was in that underground thing i felt let down
so to fuck that crazy shit off, i said it was him and not me, and it was what he saw
and not me, back then just saying you saw aufo was bad enough dude,
howe talked to me in conn, in 84 not 86 and thats what i told her, asi did fauctt, and
even peter robbins, untill,.............. its all in the fucking book!
why did i bother to wright the thing, last word on this , the changing the story shit
has nothing to do with what i saw, and never has, dont beleive the propaganda
folks.
the mystery to me is that my coauther let howe humiliate me and thus him
and then questiond me about it as if he knew nothing about whats in our book??????
oh yea, shes acollege, and he respects her, {Caus its what thay do?} fuck off.
john you ask how what ive written will help? I think ive done my bit, cause if memorie
serves, it was me that brought rendlesham to the world, or a we used to say in new york
plowed the driveway.
check the facts with chuck d if you like on q 1
i know the tone is harsh, but it is what it is, on Fox, he like all others are showman,
not a bad thing, but i sense he wants to shine brighter than his subject!
i saw him in nev a few years ago, i likre the film, but its not accurat until you
name the person that got it to the public in the first place? people arnt dumb,
and i got alot of supporters that do notice! i mean Peniston has never read the book
cause halt told him not to! That HaltS GOT SOME POWER OVER PEOPLE
IN THE END everything ive said happend over 27 years, is being said by others
including halt, it was one night now its three, i wasnt in the af, now i was meddled with¬
you dont meddle with the uninvolved do ya.
look john, i respect you and will do all i can to support your efforts
if you are in laughlin i will look forward to seeing you.
and before any asshole trys to suggust tthat im going to laughlin to jump on a bandwagon
i spoke at the festival 10 years ago, married my x wife there as well, the browns
are good frirnds, and my bros like ron williams, ted loman, travis walton, a hero.
are gonna be hangin , i go every few years and its a laugh.
i also cross the river to party with the big red mechine, in bullhead, az
so thats that.
i stand ready to help john, always have been, but im not gonna let anyone disrespect me
with bullshit and propaganda, been around the game for far to long! love @ respect larry

[larry warren]

Sorry john,
i ment tosay the poodle part i nicked from the british press, when they used to call
Blair Bushes poodle, i couldent resist, the saying used to make me piss my self!
Sasha, you mad little vixon, good post, in fact great post, but next time, a little
less funny stuff please, cause people wont take us serrious1, and this is serrious stuff!
concider your little bottom spanked!!!!!
love and light
larry, my arse is killing me, ive been typin away for so very long,
sounds like a blues song.
less humorous posts to follow.

[John Burroughs]

Larry and Sacha
First of all both of you now in your own words have said Larry has made mistakes which is fine. The thing I find interesting is you both feel that someone is running the show! The only true people who are running the show are the people behind the scenes. Halt himself has had numerors shots taken at him! Larry I have talked to Chuck and he states you did say we helped the ailens repair there craft! I also have talked to Bustinza and he said you were telling his story! What really matters to me is the truth! Your now saying you didnot see us helping a ship get repaired! Fair enough! Did you in fact see ailiens or did you just see some kind of strange lights? Halt has said he feels several people may have been messed with to spread disinformation about what happened! I have been spending hours and hours going back over what was said in the begining by people and you and Sacha are right the storys have changed even Halts! Halt has gone out of his way to say I was not out there with him but I have him on tape saying I was! He now says it was ET in nature almost 30 years later! There is no doubt you were the one who pushed to get this out and I do beleive most people have given you credit for that! I truley beleive the best way to get together is everybody who wants to show up on the 25-28 of Dec at Bentwaters and see what happens!!

[larry warren]

Hi john,
look and i will take a poly graph on any of this, i never said i saw aliens repair a spaceship
i have explaind, ware that came from and directed you to that storys source, thus i can
do no more, on that? except put what im refering to on this site, and that is just what
i will do.
as to aliens , what else do you call what was in the field, and yes i and others
saw somthing alive not just lights! where it came from ive no idea, when we got spoken to
in ziglers office the next day, we were told it was off earth technolagy.
forgive my spelling, its horific.
what we were told fits in with what halt is now saying, what has caused halt to
go down this road, excapes me?
so a reunion, is planed for dec, great, but remember sufolk in dec can be nasty
this year, that area got wacked with some nasty weather, thus causing a potentiaL
logistics problem, also hotels are as sparce as they were in 1980.
i will indeed be there and intend to raise some funds to help support this effort,
i have some speeking gigs comming up Burmingham, uk march 10, lytham st anns, uk
in may 2010, and will be shaking the audiences down for donations, the Co Op bank UK
is the acct holder, and the funds will be noted as the rendlesham wittiness defence fund.
details to follow.
i also ask aqll ufo orgs to put up or shut up in this reguard as you can truly support
a once in a life time event.
people were meddled with , to spread disinfo, john im sure you are right, and if i was
one of them, i want justice, i also feel that some of our comanders should be in jail
for letting the intel people screw around with us.
that said, what i saw in the field is what i saw................
more to follow.
cheers, larry
ps williams had better show.

[larry warren]

hey pal,
it goes a little like this,you got the guys whos statements are avaible, from the first
night. you got the rest of us, whos pretyped statements are not avaible from
the hardest to contain night swingin in the wind.
the aliance between comand and first night wittinesses, makes for quite a front,
as sanitized as that front is.
we night 3 guys and girls, got shit, ond little to lose, we must be keept down
at any cost, as not to interfear in the safe version thats being spoon fed to thegeneral puplic.
that version also limits comands accountability, and responsibility as to what they let
happen to some of the airman under there comand, this silent majority want nothing to do with
the shit i have gone thru via the usaf, or ufo Experts?.
over the years i spoken to a number of them, including bustinza, and the concencuss
is the same, no fucking way! i will be adding supportive statements on this site,
from that silent majioity in the near future.
further to this, Halt is not my go to guy and neither are any of the other ecceped
wittinesses, as much as i respect some of them.
La plume, is the only other guy on this site that falls into the unsafe wittiness.
and his account is a great window into the high strangenss on the base after the fact.

just my oppinion

Larry warren
and , yes, i truly think that some of the comand should be serving hard time
for letting those scumbags MEDDLE with us, and you can letem know i said so.
the machine is in full swing, beleive it!

[larry warren]

just a little quickie,
ive noticed that my arse has been drawing alot of attention, you know, just looking at my
arse isint good enough people!
get into it and experiance the joy , that is my arse!
dont be frightend, of my arse , it wont hurt you, as my arse is the only place on the web
that you can truly let yourself go!!!!!
come on you little devils,! and carve yourself your own little peice of my arse!
express, talk, and then we will have a coffie.
cheers, me

[John Burroughs]

I'm sorry but your facts don't add up. Jim Penniston has been very open about what he feels happened to him! So has alot of other people to include from the beggining someone else who was in Halts party saying he saw somthing inside of the blue lights that could have been some kind of life form. Col Conrad did a interview saying he felt somthing happened to us. I have been contacted by several people in the past few months who have told me what they saw and even have stated on the first night we went on alert status at the weapons storage area! Most of the people don't want to come out and talk about it because of what went on around the storage area! The truth is nobody from any major news agency other than Cnn has looked at this and forced the government to answer any tough questions! Even after Halt has now come out and said it was ET in nature! One US Sentor started looking into this and dropped it like a hot potatoe with no coment! As far as saying there are no unsafe witness other than you and La plume is just bullshit! Even Halt has now said it was ET in nature. Larry you were in the military for a very short time and you have had allot of trouble getting the facts straight on what happened out there! When you first started talking about this you said it only happened on one night! Does that mean you were not involved no! Does that mean you were not mistreated again no!! Does that mean you didnot play a huge part in getting the story out and keeping it going no! But what it does mean is other people have been involved in the same things you have been doing also and yes most people feel they have been mistreated and let down by there chain of command and even there govenment and would like a answer to what happened to them! The question is what happens next!!!

[larry warren]

Hi John,
with all do respect, i am the guy that said it was 3 nights, all along!
and i think any honest researcher out there knows that.
as to the other guys, yourself included, i have always supported what happened
to you, and never slaged any of you off, sadly i cant say the same.
Ofcourse halt is right, cause the it can be nothing else, last summer i mc,d a small
confrence in liverpool, peter, brought a video of your regression, and it had a hell of
an inpact,even on my self, yuove been thru it man!
that said, maby ive got it all wrong, like you say, wow its hard to eccept that ivee wasted
30 years on this, what i fool i a,m.
as for you wanting to get this over to the general public,major networks wont touch it,
major print wont take it serriously, and people in general or sheeple, as my buddie, jim marrs
says, just want to be spoon fed shit, like lady gaga, simon cowel. who wares what,whos driving what,
whos banging who,text me , ill text you, is new york just like the show friends? ect, ect.we arescrewd, unless we can work a sex in the city angle into the case! my sons mom, has read some of what i have written on this page, she wonders if perhaps you guys have ever conciderd that you got mededled with, and used to spread disinformation?
interesting thought.
again im hear to help, or i will be just as happy to do my owne thing.
cheers
larry

[Sacha Christie]

John... the fact is that all these "he said, she said, they were, they weren't" etc is a distraction...... While everyone's focusing on those minor details the rest gets lost in the post.... Everyone jumps on the inconsistencies no matter how minor they are and moving right away from the fact that something major did happen... forget all the bullshit.. concentrate on the correlations. Forget about all that crap... rise above it. There are people who want you to look stupid because they don't want the truth.. whatever that is.. to be uncovered... set everyone against each other and the truth will never out.. a house divided cannot stand. The suspicions and the rumors are all an attempt to discredit the witnesses... set them against each other.... It's standard industry procedure and more people fall for it than anything else.... I've spoken to LOTS of people who reel off the peddled inconsistencies about Larry.. and yourself.. they are all old ideas that have been disproven. Fact is these people form an opinion on rumor and hearsay without having done a minutes research... the propaganda machine works very well.

What you should concentrate on is the fact that you know you were there... Larry knows he was there... And the question that should be asked is that if you weren't there or if Larry wasn't there.. how could you have so much detail if you were making it up? Someone would have had to tell you what happened in great detail... you would have had to remember everything that was said.. and in Larry's case almost overnight... BUT even in that scenario... SOMETHING STILL HAPPENED!! Only to someone else and you are what? pretending? Riiight.. for almost 30 years?? Don't fall into that trap. You and Larry were there and you've both been victims of the disinfo machine... If nothing did happen then a lot of trouble has gone into covering up nothing and making people look stupid.. for nothing.. it doesn't make sense..... Find another perspective.. regardless of bustinza and you were there weren't there.. williams/halt they are MINOR events and some would say that you aren't a credible witness if you can't get every detail right.. bull... the Bustinza infraction is understandable to any rational human being... the williams/halt doesn't even matter!!! It's just been picked up and over inflated to try and make everyone think that you can't have been there or do not have the ability to recount an event as it really happened... Even without witness statements there's enough evidence to suggest something monumental happened. You have been fucked over... end of.

Also... John... You weren't the only person to see those blue lights... ALSO... There was another ufo incident over the wash not long before.. an object bouncing from 5000 to 10,000 feet which was caught on radar... this matches the description of the light La Plume saw before the large craft passed over.. The radar tapes for that sighing were collected around christmas over that event... something La Plume couldn't possibly been aware of at the time... As for another craft appearing in January as Steve described, whats so hard to believe about that after what occurred over Christmas? Is it because you really don't want it to be ET and therefore shun anyone else's accounts? It's not like he wanted to jump on the bandwagon is it? Thing is.. when you hear so much bullshit being thrown around in the end some of you will get sick of it and step up. There are a lot of things about this case that add up when you look into protocol... I've spent a lot of time talking to locals in suffolk... from the villages closest to the bases... There have been countless sighting of ufos... I've even seen footage of one! Guess what it was doing... BOUNCING....! Two old geezers fishing.. not prone to fantasy.. out in their boat, came home because the saw a large bright white light bounding.. again... and shooting across the sky and back... Two lads who were young.. christmas time.. they remember someone turning up at their door and telling their parents not to leave the house under any circumstances.... I've never heard that from anyone.. did you even know that there was someone going door to door telling people to stay in? WHY???? In the event of a nuclear accident the protocol is get everyone out of the area.. tell them anything you have to but get them out.. NOT tell them to stay in. They were frightened!! One of the lads has his grandads journal from when he was on base in the 50's when there was another UFO incident.. I am allowed to photocopy it and use it... Thats just a few.... AND some of the events i've heard about happened in the 60s and 70s BEFORE your event.... These people aren't prone to fantasy... it all came about after a conversation with a pub landlord... I'm going back for a meeting of locals who have had encounters... When i asked if any of them had reported what they saw they said.. "Who to?" Who'd listen.. what would get done? They didn't see the point.... it's always been like this around here is what they said.

As for Halt and Penniston well they were loyal military men... Jim would have done as he was asked.. Halt did what he had to do.... Maybe Penniston can see how much shit you lot have had to deal with and decided he didnt want it on his doorstep.. but then again, he said and drew what he saw and I'll tell you something.. that craft he drew and described wasn't stealth unless it was a metal puppet being controlled by something way up high with invisible strings... Silent? What craft have we got that is silent apart from the UAV's which need a lift to fly.... We use fuel... fuel requires combustion... it creates noise and a stealth bomber or any such vehicle in the forest would have left more than three indentations that could be described as rabbit scratchings... Jim would have been toast and so would have of the forest... Its dangerous to even have a cigarette there!! At the end of the day Larry was just out of his sweet wrapper...No he didn't have a lot of military experience but what does that matter????!! He didn't keep his gob shut, caused a lot of problems for those involved.. Halt and Penniston by bringing attention to this and forced them into a position that wasn't in the shadows.. so yeah, they might hold some animosity because they had to publicly deal with something they would rather not.

I have a dvd here of Jim and Halt in the forest... they can't even agree on the sites.. What should we infer from that? Nothing because that's another diversion... STICK TO THE FACTS AND DON'T GET CAUGHT UP IN NIT PICKING, IT IS A DISTRACTION AND A POINTLESS WASTE OF TIME!!!

You were both there, you both saw what you saw, it's backed up by other events and comments so at the end of the day all the little things that are being focused on really when ironed out don't even change a single part of what happened... It's only ammo for discrediting you guys who were WITNESSES.

You were involved in the same incident, you've been subject to the same treatment and you have more in common than you'd probably like... You should be united not divided.

It sickens me that the 30th anniversary events that some people ar putting together do not include the witnesses who stand firm in the face of everything have been left out of the proceedings... what is happening is a couple of cliques are getting together to toss off each others egos at your expense..."Because that's what they do"... Larry isn't invited because he's ruffled feathers and is controversial and the people who they want to speak might not show if he's there.. so they can further their careers and give each other networked pats on the back from their carefully chosen associates based on the traumatic experiences of the people they've excluded when in actual fact they wouldn't have those careers if it wasn't for you guys. That my friends is what you call shameful and I'm embarrassed for them.... I have an invite tho... how ironic.... I wasn't there.. I didn't see anything... but i'm on the list? Maybe i'm not controversial enough... shame on me! I've tried really hard too!!! Or maybe it's because there are a few out there that want to write a book with me.... Keep it sweet, don't burn bridges and get some periscope glasses so they can see over the pile of fecal matter on their noses they gathered brown nosing everyone keeping all their options open...

John... Think about it... this was your idea!! Although yes, others have obviously had the same thoughts yet they have their own agendas... You wanted to get as many WITNESSES together as possible... there are at least five that have got nothing to lose... thats enough for a days worth of exchange. The only reason I decide to take the bull by the horns is because I got the invite and when I asked if you two were speaking it was a resounding NO... you are in the states, I'm in the UK.. I used to be an events organizer and I know what to do.. I have contacts for everything necessary.. including the production of a documentary, I also worked in the film industry for a while.... Special effects believe it or not.. I can even stage a reconstruction for you lmao!!! You have to be a part of it.. You were my motivation... we've spoken a fair bit about what you wanted to do... You didn't really have many thoughts on how, where and when, apart from that you wanted to get people together.. this is your event... it's Larry's too... It's for EVERYONE.. NOT just the ufo 'circus'. The witnesses are the most important people to any event.. a rendlesham conference on peoples opinions of what happened is great but without witnesses it's just another exercise for popularity points and career advancement. You can't do much about them using you in this way but you can stand up and speak for yourself. People want to hear from the witnesses. You've no idea about how many mails I get asking about this reunion after I posted the post you wrote on here requesting witnesses and people who were on the base at the time on my pages. Honestly... the room will be packed.

Have faith... you got this far on your own... you deserve to be heard and respected for standing there in the face of all the ammunition that's been fired, and you are still standing....!! Any disagreements or ideas have been given to you from someone else.. pointed out by someone else.. with a view to keeping any of you from befriending each other and standing together... create the enemy by planting the seeds of doubt, add the disinformation.. divided by half a world in two continents and watch the supposition begin..sit back and let the internet twist chew and tear it apart until it's unrecognizable. When was the last time the two of you had a conversation with each other that wasn't in text form? When you hook up in Laughlin and have a proper conversation I think you'll have a different perspective on things. You do have supporters and you... the witnesses... have more right than anyone else to be speaking. Don't let them fuck you over AGAIN.

In my experience it's a really tough place to be... Moving through life going in the opposite direction to most, sticking to your guns because YOU KNOW when other people just THINK or BELIEVE. They have the safe place of merely passing on what they've heard and found... safe as houses... almost middle management... Not what they've seen.. the buck stops there... The burden of proof is on you and you alone, it can be a cold and lonely road too and even when you think of throwing the towel in you can't... even when you have had enough and want to erase it from your mind and get on with a normal life.. you can't...Even when it affects your relationships and family... you can't let it go... Not when it happens to you. You face it and stand your ground because it's inside you... inside every cell... it's not an idea, a theory, it's a memory and memories can really screw you over. replaying over and over daily, several times a day... more than sky tv repeats... You stick to it because it's already cost you everything and what the hell else have we got to lose anyway? It's already out there. My life was ruined in 1997... I was ruined, my head broken, my life unrecognizable, my view on the world shattered. Thirteen years later and I'm in a place where i can live with it although still it turns my head cold and makes my insides shrivel. I was on my own with it for all of that time but now I've found two of the other witnesses. Fantastic.. it validates what i've said.. gutted too, because now I know it DID really happen, I was hoping he would say no you crazy bitch!!! it was a helicopter! But it ruined him and it was the death of his uncle. So no... it's already cost too much, I wouldn't be able to put it down now... all that heartache and sacrifice would have been for nothing. We are being lied to, they are covering it up at the expense of people like you and I and while other people make money and are loved by the rest of those who play the same game because "that's what they do"... And if they are left in charge of representing you then god help us all.... You want your story out there.. tell it yourself, the ones doing the talking are usually on their own side.

*steps off Larry's arse.

[bodhisattva]

John... the fact is that all these "he said, she said, they were, they weren't" etc is a distraction...... While everyone's focusing on those minor details the rest gets lost in the post.... Everyone jumps on the inconsistencies no matter how minor they are and moving right away from the fact that something major did happen... forget all the bullshit.. concentrate on the correlations. Forget about all that crap... rise above it. There are people who want you to look stupid because they don't want the truth.. whatever that is.. to be uncovered... set everyone against each other and the truth will never out.. a house divided cannot stand. The suspicions and the rumors are all an attempt to discredit the witnesses... set them against each other.... It's standard industry procedure and more people fall for it than anything else.... I've spoken to LOTS of people who reel off the peddled inconsistencies about Larry.. and yourself.. they are all old ideas that have been disproven. Fact is these people form an opinion on rumor and hearsay without having done a minutes research... the propaganda machine works very well.

wow I had not read this yet, but by just going over the facts on my own and then looking at this forum since registering a couple days ago, I had come to the same conclusion yesterday after working out the logic of the situation, to come here today to post pretty much the same thing as you. I hope it doesn't seem like I read this and decided to copy you and word something of my own on my other post in the topic I made.

I feel the same way about how this seemingly has played out. you obviously know much more then me about this as I admittedly am going off the basics and then what I have observed here and really have only been looking into this for a week (aside from hearing stories over the years.) But I just wanted to say this (what you've posted above) is the overall feeling I get about this situation, and it's the main thing holding this back from being something everyone in society can digest and allow themselves to believe beyond a shadow of a doubt.

[larry warren]

Bro, i like you!
And i like how youir head works!
more than that , youve seen em, so we got nothin to prove to oneanother.
keep your state side thoughts commin!, its a good thing, and likly shakes up the pusseys hiden on this site, but good!
dude, you rock, and if any of these fucks mess with ya, i got youyr back!!
they be scared of me!
live free, ride hard!
your older bro , larry

[Sacha Christie]

Hi hon Hope you don't mind but i'd like to shorten you to bod... my spelloing is bad enough as it is!!

Yes.. I'm afraid thats the way it is.... the arguments against ufos mainly consist of well worn statements that id you could even be bothered to type it out a thousand times a week you'd kill yourself in frustration.... If you look at the evidence FOR ufos... excluding witness statements... for the sake of this discussion lets focus solely on military involvement.... Lets leave the 'circus acts' at the door.....

In fact sod it... lets put up the United States Air Force Regulations 200-2 1954-1996 (when it was amended)

AFR 200-2
AIR FORCE REGULATION THE DEPARTMENT OF THE AIR FORCE
No. 200-2 WASHINGTON, 12 AUGUST 1954
INTELLIGENCE
Unidentified Flying Objects Reporting (Short Title: FLYOBRPT)
Paragraph
Purpose and Scope . . . . . . . . . . 1
Definitions . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2
Objectives . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3
Responsibility . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4
Guidance . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5
ZI Collection . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6
Reporting . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7
Evidence . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 8
Release of Facts . . . . . . . . . . . . 9
1. Purpose and Scope: This Regulation establishes procedures for information and evidence material pertaining to unidentified flying objects and sets forth the responsibility of Air Force activities in this regard. It applies to all Air Force Activities.
2. Definitions:
a. Unidentified Flying Objects (UFOB) relates to any airborne object which by performance, aerodynamic characteristics, or unusual features, does not conform to any presently known aircraft or missile type, or which cannot be positively identified as a familiar object.
b. Familiar Objects - Include balloons, astronomical bodies, birds, and so forth.
3. Objectives: Air Force interest in unidentified flying objects is twofold: First as a possible threat to the security of the United States and its forces, and secondly, to determine technical aspects involved.
a. Air Defense. To date the flying objects reported have imposed no threat to the security of the United States and its Possessions. However, the possibility that new air vehicles, hostile aircraft or missiles may first be regarded as flying objects by the initial observer is real. This requires that sightings be reported as rapidly and as completely as information permits.
b. Technical Analysis thus far has failed to provide a satisfactory explanation for a number of sightings reported. The Air Force will continue to collect and analyze reports until all sightings can be satisfactorily explained., bearing in mind that:
(1) To measure scientific advances, the Air Force must be informed on experimentation and
development of new air vehicles.
(2) The possibility exists that an air vehicle of revolutionary configuration may be developed.
(3) The reporting of all pertinent factors will have a direct bearing on the success of the technical
analysis.
4. Responsibility:
a. Reporting. Commanders of all Air Force activities will report all information and evidence that may come to their attention, including that received from adjacent commands of the other services and from civilians.
b. Investigation. Air Defense Command will conduct all field investigations within the ZI, to determine the identity of any UFOB.
c. Analysis. The Air Technical Intelligence Center (ATIC), Wright-Patterson Air Force Base, Ohio, will analyze and evaluate: All information and evidence reported within the ZI after the Air Defense Command has exhausted all efforts to identify the UFOB; and all information and evidence collected in overseas areas.
d. Cooperation. All activities will cooperate with Air Defense Command representatives to insure the economical and prompt success of an investigation, including the furnishing of air and ground transportation, when feasible.
5. Guidance. The thoroughness and quality of a report or investigation into incidents of unidentified flying objects are limited only by the resourcefulness and imagination of the person responsible for preparing the report. Guidance set forth below is based on experience and has been found helpful in evaluating incidents.
a. Theodolite measurements of changes of azimuth and elevation and angular size.
b. Interception, identification, or air search action. these actions may be taken if appropriate and within the scope of existing air defense regulations.
c. Contact with local aircraft control and Warning (AC&W) units, ground observer corps (GOC) posts and filter centers, pilots and crews of aircraft aloft at the time and place of sighting whenever feasible, and any other persons or organizations which may have factual data bearing on the UFOB or may be able to offer corroborating evidence, electronic or otherwise.
d. Consultation with military and civilian weather forecasters to obtain data on: Tracks of weather balloons released in the area, since these often are responsible for sightings; and any unusual meteorological activity which may have a bearing on the UFOB.
e. Consultation with astronomers in the area to determine whether any astronomical body or phenomenon would account for or have bearing on the observation.
f. Contact with military and civilian tower operators, air operations offices, and so forth, to determine whether the sighting could be the result of misidentification of known aircraft.
g. Contact with persons who might have knowledge of experimental aircraft of unusual configuration, rocket and guided missile firings, and so forth in the area.
6. ZI Collection. The Air Defense Command has a direct interest in the facts pertaining to UFOB's reported within the ZI and has, in the 4602d Air Intelligence Service Squadron (AISS), the capability to investigate these reports. The 4602d AISS is composed of specialists trained for field collection and investigation of matters of air intelligence interest which occur within the zone of the ZI. This squadron is highly mobile and deployed throughout the ZI as follows: Flights are attached to air defense divisions, detachments are attached to each of the defense forces, and the squadron headquarters is located at Peterson Field, Colorado, adjacent to Headquarters, Air Defense Command. Air Force activities, therefore, should establish and maintain liaison with the nearest element of this squadron. This can be accomplished by contacting the appropriate echelon of the Air Defense Command as outlined above.
a. All Air Force activities are authorized to conduct such preliminary investigation as may be required for reporting purposes; however, investigations should not be carried beyond this point, unless such action is requested by the 4602d AISS.
b. On occasions - after initial reports submitted - additional data is required which can be developed more economically by the nearest Air Force activity, such as narrative statements, sketches, marked maps, charts, and so forth. Under such circumstances, appropriate commanders will be contacted by the 4602d AISS.
c. Direct communication between echelons of the 4602d AISS and Air Force activities is authorized.
7. Reporting. Information relating to unidentified flying objects will be reported promptly. The method (electrical or written) and priority of the dispatch will be selected in accordance with the apparent intelligence value of the information. In most instances, reports will be made by electrical
means: Information over 24 hours old will be given a "deferred" precedence. reports over 3 days old will be made by written report prepared on AF Form 112, Air Intelligence Information report, and AF Form 112a, Supplement to AF Form 112.
a. Addressees:
(1) Electrical Reports. All electrical reports will be multiple addressed to:
(a) Commander, Air Defense Command, Ent Air Force Base, Colorado Springs, Colorado.
(b) Nearest Air Division (Defense) (For ZI only.)
(c) Commander, Air Technical Intelligence Center, Wright-Patterson Air Force Base, Ohio.
(d) Director of Intelligence, Headquarters, USAF, Washington 25, D.C.
(2) Written Reports:
(a) Within the ZI, reports will be submitted direct to the Air Defense Command. Air
Defense Command will reproduce the report and distribute it to interested ZI intelligence
agencies. The original report together with the notation of the distribution effected then
will be forwarded to the Director of Intelligence, Headquarters, USAF, Washington 25,
D.C.
(b) Outside the ZI, reports will be submitted direct to the Director of Intelligence,
Headquarters, USAF, Washington 25, D.C. as prescribed in "Intelligence Collection
Instructions" (ICI), June 1954.
b. Short Title. "UFOB" will appear at the beginning of the text of electrical messages and in the subject of written reports.
c. Negative Data. The word "negative" in reply to any numbered item of the report format will indicate that all logical leads were developed without success. The phrase "not applicable" (N/A) will indicate that the question does not apply to the sighting being investigated.
d. Report Format Reports will include the following numbered items:
(1) Description of the object(s):
(a) Shape
(b) Size compared to known object (use one of the following terms: Head of a pin, pea,
dime, nickel, quarter, half dollar, silver dollar, baseball, grapefruit, or basketball) held in
the hand at about arms length.
(c) Color.
(d) Number.
(e) Formation, if more than one.
(f) Any discernible features or details.
(g) Tail, trail, or exhaust, including size of same compared to size of object(s).
(h) Sound. If heard, describe sound.
(i) Other pertinent or unusual features.
(2) Description of course of object(s):
(a) What first called the attention of the observer(s) to the object(s)?
(b) Angle of elevation and azimuth of the objects when first observed.
(c) Angle of elevation and azimuth of the objects upon disappearance.
(d) Description of flight path and maneuvers of object(s).
(e) Manner of disappearance of objects(s)
(f) Length of time in sight
(3) Manner of observation:
(a) Use one or a combination of the following items: Ground-visual, ground-electronic,
air-electronic. (If electronic, specify type of radar.)
(b) Statement as to optical aids (telescopes, binoculars, and so forth) used and description
thereof.
(c) If the sighting is made while airborne, give type of aircraft, identification number, altitude,
heading, speed and home station.
(4) Time and date of sighting:
(a) Zulu time-date group of sighting.
(b) Light conditions (use one of he following terms): Night, day, dawn, dusk.
(5) Locations of observer(s). Exact latitude and longitude of each observer or Georef position,
or position with reference to a known landmark.
(6) Identifying information of all observer(s):
(a) Civilian - Name, age, mailing address, occupation.
(b) Military - Name, grade, organization, duty, and estimate of reliability.
(7) Weather and winds-aloft conditions at time and place of sightings:
(a) Observer(s) account of weather conditions.
(b) Report from nearest AWS or U.S. Weather Bureau Office of wind direction and
velocity in degrees and knots at surface, 6,000', 10,000', 16,000', 20,000', 30,000',
50,000', and 80,000', if available.
(c) ceiling.
(d) Visibility.
(e) Amount of cloud cover.
(f) Thunderstorms in area and quadrant in which located.
(8) Any other unusual activity or condition, meteorological, astronomical, or otherwise, which
might account for the sighting.
(9) Interception and identification action taken. (Such action may be taken whenever feasible,
complying with existing air defense directives.)
(10) Location of any air traffic in the general area at the time of the sighting.
(11) Position title and comments of the preparing officer, including his preliminary analysis of the
possible cause of the sighting(s).
(12) Security. Reports should be unclassified unless inclusion of data required by c and d below
mandates a higher classification.
8. Evidence. The existence of physical evidence (photographs or materiel) will be promptly reported.
a. Photographic:
(1) Visual: the negative and two prints will be forwarded, all original film, including wherever
possible both prints and negatives, will be titled or otherwise properly identified as to place,
time, and date of the incident
(see "Intelligence Collection Instructions" (ICI), June 1954)
(2) Radar: Two copies of each print will be forwarded. Prints of radarscope photography will
be titled in accordance with AFR 95-7 and forwarded in accordance with AFR 95-6.
b. Materiel: Suspected or actual items of materiel which come into the possession of any Air
Force Echelon will be safeguarded in such manner as to prevent any defacing or alteration
which might reduce its value for intelligence examination and analysis.
9. Release of Facts: Headquarters USAF will release summaries of evaluated data which will inform the public on this subject. In response to local inquiries, it is permissible to in form news media representatives on UFOB's when the object is positively identified as a familiar object (see paragraph 2b), except that the following type of data warrants protection and should not be revealed: Names of principles, intercept and investigation procedures, and classified radar data. For those objects which are not explainable, only the fact that ATIC will analyze the data is worthy of release, due to many unknowns involved.
By Order of the Secretary of the Air Force:
Official: N.F. Twining
Chief of Staff, United States Air Force
K.E. THIEBAUD
Colonel, USAF
Air Adjutant General

Some information has been edited.. namely phone numbers and names of officers although if you search online you will find the original... it's been removed from docstock and has been put onto edocs... they move it around a lot.... there are many versions in text but only one photographed doc is ever online at any time... I have a copy of the supporting doc A112 ... these were released under FOI from DoD and is genuine... everything above... and more is in this document. There are also many other examples of protocol.. for navy and fire service etc... There are sneaky corners of the internet where they squirrel them away in obscure names. You get a nose for it but it does mean spending hours searching patiently through hundreds of files until you find a gem.

Check out PARAGON.... In fact find a document called:
United States Intelligence Community
unidentified flying objects-unidentified aerial phenomena
information documentation
0098906-06-01

Then http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/cienc ... /index.htm

That's just a few. You can see just from those three that a hell of a lot of effort has gone into researching nothing..... You can't walk down the street without being filmed and they even want to be able to see inside your undies at the airport but these unknown structured craft are... OF NO DEFENSE SIGNIFICANCE.... !???

Much ado about nothing...? My arse! So when you have a secret as huge as this you make everyone who looks into it look stupid.. those who were involved together are split up... or set against each other.

[Admin]

Locked.

Sorry guys, I need to step in here. I can't see anything good coming out of this topic.