Cobra Mist

[John Burroughs]

We all know there has been reported sightings around Bentwaters over the years! In fact people claim it stills goes on today. I have been looking hard at different things we have that may have caused this to happen. One of the things that was looked at was Cobra Mist. Somthing caused me to take another look. I know it had been shut down when the Incident happened! But when you look at the cause it stated unexpected noise which appeared as frequency shifting of the signal. They sent in SRI to fix it and they could not solve the problem and it was shut down. SRI was still operating out of Bentwaters when the Incident happened. One of the things we had happen to us was static electricty and the feeling of time slowing down which could have been caused by frequency shifting. Is there anything in the Bentwaters area that would cause that kind of effect? Could it be some kind of natural effect?

[oOo]

Hi
I have often wondered whether instead of wot-nots beaming into the WSA, it was some radioactive effect emanating from the WSA. I.E like some Apollo Astronauts, that experienced visual light shows, that turned out to be the result of sub atomic particles streaming through them.
Also wonder whether what was seen in and above the forest was in fact the result of something hot being transported below the forest. Tunnels linking the two bases?

Dr. Stephen Possony, a Pentagon Psychological Warfare specialist
SECRET: 1 August 1952
MEMORANDUM FOR GENERAL SAMFORD
SUBJECT: USAF Interest in Flying Saucers.
At the risk of boring you with a tedious subject, I want to submit a few ideas which may
be helpful in making a proper decision.
What are the Flying Saucers?
It is a well-established heuristic principle that the unknown must be made intelligible by
referring to the known. If we ask the question: "What known phenomena bear the greatest
similarity to saucers?" The answer seems to be that saucer behavior follows the pattern
of electromagnetic phenomena. Assuming for the time being, that the saucers are a natural
phenomenon of some electromagnetic kind, and accepting the fact that saucer phenomena have
occurred at infrequent intervals throughout history, we should inquire as to the cause of
the increased frequency of the occurrence. (The increase is about 4000-fold from 19thcentury
reports, though elimination of current sightings would tend to reduce this
figure). Since the increase in sightings started in 1946-7, it may be fruitful to tie the
sightings to events preceding them and of which there were no counterparts at earlier
periods. Prior to the upsurge in saucer sightings, the following new activities took
place:
1. The carrying of radioactive particles into the upper atmosphere by means of atomic
explosions and production;
2. The penetration of the upper atmosphere by guided missiles, new types of balloons,
and perhaps aircraft;
3. The production of shock waves at higher altitude, due to the breaching of the sound
barrier;
4. The increased output in radio and radar signals, including television;
5. The seeding of clouds for purposes of weather control;
6. The great increase in commercial and private flying.
Moreover, the present era is characterized by a general "warming up" of the climate in the
northern hemisphere. Furthermore, the solar system may be passing through an area in the
universe where there is a great deal of debris and where, therefore, an increase in the
intensity of the meteoric bombardment may be expected.
It is probable that flying saucers are not caused by any single one of these factors, but
by a convergence of causes. If the saucers are really electromagnetic phenomena, there is
a possibility that they are connected primarily with atomic activities, and that they are
caused by the encounter of radioactive particles and small meteors. In other words, they
may be ionized air brought about by the entry of very small meteors into the atmosphere.
During burn-up of the meteor metal, the natural degree of ionization may be increased
greatly through available radioactive particles, with the possible result that after the
destruction of the metallic core, there would be a gaseous rotating ion ball subject to
movements in the atmosphere. This "interpretation" occurred to me after an illuminating
discussion with General Maxwell, and I emphasize it merely to indicate what type of
approach the Air Force should take in tackling the phenomena.
Incidentally, there was no temperature inversion in Washington for a long time, and
therefore, the mirage theory does not explain the latest sightings.
What is the Air Force interest?
1. The Air Force continuously will be "on the carpet" as long as no satisfactory
explanation can be given. Should the saucer activity increase, pressure by the press and
even Congress will be quite considerable.
2. We cannot yet rule out entirely that saucers do represent a threat.
3. If there is any validity to the assumption that the saucers are partly the result of
atomic activity, the phenomenon would tie in directly with long range detection and if
solved, might lead to an increase in our intelligence capability... I suggest therefore,
that before the ATIC program be undertaken, a very small panel of scientists be brought
together and be briefed on the documentation which is in the files right now.”

Just a thought eh.

[oOo]

Or dirty ol dirty old Sizewell A?

[Deep Purple]

Electric fields in the brain can cause hallucinations------ But why would you all have a hallucination along the same lines?---- You wouldnt
Why would they be testing Cobra Mist over xmas? Most civil servants would be at home over xmas.
You saw something which we cannot explain, and the level and attempts at disinformation which have occurred, even on this site, suggest it was very significant--- somebody doesnt want us to know what happened.
We will not get to the truth by scrapping over differences in witness testimony. Witnesses will allways see and interpret things differently.
The smoking gun is the level of disinformation that has occurred!!!!
A huge smoke screen has been put up around the incident.
If you look at current US technology nothing looks like what you described. The truth slipped out about the f117a--- a really secret project and UAVs which are in common use today.
We have seen no real evidence of "super technology" being developed by the US--- they still fly B52s designed in the late 1940s and the F22 Raptor is a logical development of the F15 & F117a blending both technologies.
Details of both aircraft are widely available so given the continuing smoke screen over the Rendlesham incident and efforts to keep the door firmly shut its either ET or a technology which we could not develop in the 80s, but want kept so secret

[FMG]

It's interesting that this thread asks several key questions and also raises again the bickering issue. Why? Because on my shelf are publications addressing every single point raised. One is by someone who left because of the bickering! You are doing the spooks work for them! Then again maybe this site is run by the spooks directly or indirectly.

[oOo]

No such thing as absolute knowledge mate.

Spooks? Thought their MO was the ETH mythology.

[FMG]

I did not say absolute knowledge in my post MATE! I said addressed. And so it begins!

[John Burroughs]

What I find interesting is that what was said by people early on. Of cource some people will say that does not matter only that someone claims they were there. The fact is from most people early descriptions it sure looks like there was some kind of Energy force in play. Also look at the Black ops program the US Air Force was working on durning the 1960-1990 time frame to include air craft that look like what Penniston described.

[oOo]

And so it begins!

Not for me it doesn't. If people are gonna weird out over independant thought, I won't bother.

The way I see it, nobody was bickering until you piped up about people bickering. Dodgey.

My interest is how the UFO's (other than U2 and dipsy doodling SR-71s & other obvious nuts & bolters) were/are predominatly seen over military and nuclear facilities. I find it a little more than suspicious that very few people have asked whether nuclear activities could be the cause, and some UFO the effect. My inkling is the understanding of the side effects of the technology is incomplete.

Your response has been very enlightning FMG.

John, can I ask how much credence you place on the hypno regression re the Chrononaut or Chrono machine theory. I ask as this has always been on my top few list of possibilities long before I ever heard of the RFI. Always have in the back of my mind the possibility that we are being visited by the next species to have it's moment in the sun. Maybe they are curious about who poohed up the World they inherited. Oh BTW, were you guys ever given a medical check up after the event?

[John Burroughs]

Before I answer that can you give me some background on who I'm talking to and why you feel that way?

[Deep Purple]

If the event was ET or Super secret technology--- you would expect " spooks" to be protecting it, so it would be wise to expect them on this forum.
If its not the above--- then why the cover up and disinformation?
As for statements, as already said different people see things differently, you also have with this case the real possiblility that as time goes by people feel more confident to fully reveal what they saw. You also have the possibility of a disinformation campaign as well--- so in all you have a " Buggers Muddle".
You also have to appreciate if there are , say 50 possible explanations for Rendlesham, then each track has a low probabilty of being right--- this is where the skeptical reviews are good--- they expose the weaknesses in theories.
John Burroughs is doing a stirling job answering questions and trying to think about what happened. I dont know what happened but if we think, treat each other with respect we might get some answers.

[oOo]

If the event was ET or Super secret technology--- you would expect " spooks" to be protecting it, so it would be wise to expect them on this forum.

If so, then they haven't done a very good job of it. Both those explanations are so mainstream, they've taken on almost a religous quality amongst the masses.
Right from the early days, whilst publically pooh-poohing
ETH, the spooks were actively engaged in promoting ETH from the shadows. You know the mantra...ET isn't being covered up...ET is the cover up. Plus a classic PR tactic (that politicians use) is to accuse the other of their own sins I.E with regards to playing the spook card everytime somebody displays the capacity of thinking for themselves

Super Tech, I could almost buy into...but out in the middle of nowhere desert somewhere. Testing it over Suffolk? Not a good way to keep a secret.

If its not the above--- then why the cover up and disinformation?

Because the truth is far uglier than any Steven Spielberg meets the X-Files feel-good fantasy entertainment?

John Burroughs is doing a stirling job answering questions and trying to think about what happened

Yep...agreed.

I dont know what happened but if we think, treat each other with respect we might get some answers.

Not sure who that's aimed at. Having a differing opinion isn't disrespectful. Not gonna learn a whole lot from mutual masturbation and butt kissing. I don't know what happened either, I wouldn't be surprised that we don't even know...that we don't even know. But if I did, I assure you, I wouldn't charge you $39.95 + post and packaging to find out.
I think we've all taken part in buggers muddle in this thread. But I think buggers muddle began whilst the RFI was taking place itself.

[oOo]

I asked

John, can I ask how much credence you place on the hypno regression re the Chrononaut or Chrono machine theory.

Never mind, found a thread called What Cover Up where you went into this in some detail. Extremely interesting. Kind of answered something I've been unable to fathom for over 10 years until now.
Thats all I needed to know. Hope you all figure it out as well.
Gonna make like Archimedes did.

[Deep Purple]

I always beleive that witnesses should be treated properly--- even if we dont beleive them. If they lie let them talk--- sooner or later they will hang themselves on the forum. Additionaly if we want to really find out what happened or come to a conclusion then we have to be able to answer both the skeptics and any cranks on board. In addition to people thinking about what happened people should look at what is being said and ask why. You have to think a bit like a spook--- if I wanted to bury this what would I do?
I dont know what happned but looking at all the moves something really strange did, something that they wanted buried and covered up---- so what was it?

[pupil88]

In March 2006, Nick Pope wrote an article about the Rendlesham Forest UFO in MOD Magazine.

"I wish I had my weapon, because I felt totally defenceless," one of the young airmen, John Burroughs, subsequently remarked.

Ed Cavanasac, in a letter to Larry Warren, published in his book, LAEG, wrote.

"I was out in the forest with Burroughs, Penniston, and --- on the first night... We got debriefed for hours also! And I know we got injections... We were ... scared. Burroughs drew his weapon on it and we went blank."

You said you were in the field for two hours. Your recall of the events suggested two minutes and that was when the 'lights' took off. What Penniston did took about 45 minutes. Then he followed the craft as it was travelling at less than a foot a second for two hundred feet and then it rose above the trees and took off.Then there was another 45 minutes unaccounted for which no one could explain.

Cavanasac made a judgement about your action and the subsequent reaction of the occupant/occupants in the lights/craft.

Your looking to attribute the EMF you encountered to Cobra Mist, which is five miles away.Since you saw 'lights' and not a 'craft'you are looking for a concrete source for the force of the EMF.Do you disbelieve Jim Penniston's account of his actions since you have no recollection of his movements during the Event? You couldn't remember Penniston doing all that he did because you went blank? AMNESIA!

Cobra Mist video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hY1hAMIXkTs

[pupil88]

Cavanasac and Penniston attributed the environmental anomalies to the occupants of the craft. Warren held similar views.

In 2006 in ATS,Above Top Secret forum1, Burroughs wrote that that he was the only one out there two nights. He said Warren hurt the case with extreme views. Penniston hurt the case by the way "his story had grown" And Halt hurt it by introducing wrong dates, withholding important evidence and having witnesses change their stories. (Penniston had a plan and worked it. If he didn't, I don't think anyone will be talking about RFI today. Halt was never summoned by any major bodies to explain his actions. He never anticipated his memo being released. They were not for public consumption. If the witnesses didn't change their stories, they wouldn't have had careers)
1. The Case for Rendlesham in the Aliens and UFOs discussion forum

On the morning of the 28th, Burroughs said he didn't see Warren out there. And Warren didn't see Wing Base Commander Williams. Lt. Col Halt was out there with his team. The way Burroughs answered a question, he wasn't aware that there were two events going on the night he was chasing balls of light. He wasn't aware of Capel Green.( I believe he phoned Bustinza to get information on the Capel Green UFO. That's when he started to say Warren was telling Bustinza's story.)

All of Halt's team saw a small, red light flying around in the forest and then silently exploding. At least three of them said they saw structured craft in the sky, moving around and making 90" turns.(I never heard Lt. Englund express his thoughts.) Burroughs saw lights in the sky.

Halt's night out will be developed separately, later.

Burroughs and Bustinza were in the farmer's field chasing lights. This was brought up before in the forum under Encounter With an Entity.

There were two areas that Burroughs later brought out. Burroughs said that as he was chasing a light he became tangled up with it went missing for 25 minutes.Burroughs said he had no memory of what happened. AMNESIA...again.

Why did all the major witnesses see structured objects as well as light, except Burroughs?Could it have been due to the amnesia he suffered on two separate nights?

There is a story about John Burroughs jumping on the triangular craft and being dragged thirty feet. I doubt if its true. If John came in contact with a solid object, he would have remembered it. Right?

[AdrianF]

Why did all the major witnesses see structured objects as well as light, except Burroughs?Could it have been due to the amnesia he suffered on two separate nights?

I think most of the witnesses have reported seeing lights that appeared to have been under intelligent control. Jim Penniston and Larry Warren are the only witnesses, to my knowledge ( apart from Steve Roberts ), to have spoken about a structured craft.

[pupil88]

Hi Adrian,

interview with Rayl, Halt said:

[After leaving the woods, our search team] crossed the farmer's field past his house and across the road, stumbled through a small stream, and went out into a large plowed field. Somebody noticed several objects in the sky to the north-three objects clearly visible with multiple-colored lights on them. The objects appeared elliptical and then they turned full round, which I thought was quite interesting. All three doing that. They were stationary for a while and then they started to move at high speed in sharp angular patterns as though they were doing a grid search.

I saw were structured machines moving under intelligent control -Halt said when he announced it was ET or other dimensional..

Neville, Ball and Halt said they saw objects turning at 90' angles.

" someone was in that damned thing...it was not from Earth."-Cavanasac's letter to Warren in LAEG

[pupil88]

Hi Adrian,

See the second video clip on Monroe Neville clips in the Video Clip section below.

[pupil88]

In 2006 in ATS, Above Top Secret forum, Burroughs wrote that he was the only one out there two nights.

Not true.

.I used to print a lot of the discussions and read them later.I was going through them and made a discovery. JB wrote, "No Bustinza was with Halts party when I ment up with them and he and I then went towards whatever it was" Adrian Bustinza was with the Halt team. I had assumed he returned from Capel Green and met up with JB.

If Bustinza returned from Capel Green, what did he tell Halt and the others about the landed unknown? Why did Halt try to hide his presence? If Halt could limit Bustinza presence to a voice on the radio, he could effectively box him out. When Bustinza teamed up with Burroughs in chasing down the lights that entered the area, Bustinza's presence inadvertantly became a reference point for dates, times and places. If this sounds fuzzy, it's meant to. Don't forget, Bustinza and Warren were to go through a psychological re-education indoctrination that is usually reserved for enemy combatants.