The landing site [later general discussion]

[Andy]

Andy
I am going to try and make some sense of this. And before someone jumps on me that I have been holding back this is my opion on several of the points i am going to make not inside knowledge. When I first was told about Larry Warren I had no Idea who he was. After I saw the CNN piece I knew he didnot have all the facts straight. One of the facts was he called Williams a LT Col which would have been Halt not Williams. He also stated there was alien contact and gave a discription of strange beings. Here goes on what I feel went on before I got out there and Warren part in it. I beleive Warren landing site is what Halt told me he saw land when I ment up with him on the third night. I beleive that encounter took place when the beams of light came down at his feet he also talked about a object that broke into three objects by the farmers house. When I ment up with his party everybody was visibly shaken up and stated they just had a unexplaiable experiance Bustina was with them. I was told by Bustina that Warren was telling his story because he was afraid to do so. He was living in Texas and had a state job. He was scared to death about losing it but also was scared to death for his own safety. Warren was probley on duty and may have been out in the forrest but i know for a fact he was not with the Halt party and the only way he could have seen what Halt and his group encountered was to be with the main group. The part about seeing ailiens could very well be the blue lights that were flying around in the sky to include the one Halts party saw and broke into 3 objects. Halt has never been asked any questions about the beams of light or the objects braking up. As far as the landing part what ever broke into 3 pieces was near the ground to that would have been the area they felt somthing may have landed.

So, Halt told you he DID actually see something land?.... interesting. But then LW's site is in the field, not the forest edge. And why would LW want to tell Bustinza's story?.... and put his neck and career on the line? Sorry, none of it still make any sense of me. Interesting to hear from Larry though that the witnessess meeting up is in the pipe-line. I just hope i have an invite, and i'm sure many others would like to be there too, especially if there is a question and answer session. Just make sure Halt is there, that's all i ask.

[John Burroughs]

Larry career was allready over. Plus some people more than others have to get things out. Larry also has stated he had a encounter when he was younger back in the states....

[John Burroughs]

And I beleive Halts encounter was in the field by the farmers house....

[Andy]

If his encounter was in the field by the farmer's house? Why then was he making a tape with geiger readings, describing damage to trees etc, in the forest? Pointless exercise, surely?... considering it has been ascertained that it was not the site that yourself, Jim Penniston and Cabansaq saw that he was investigating? I gather he was at the officer's mess when he was alerted, but i really don't think he could have drank that much?

[John Burroughs]

I wonder if sometimes you dont follow things very well. Iran R stated and I feel they started at our site and then saw things out in the field. On his tape they were doing there investigation and then someone saw something out in front of them. The thing that does not make any sense is why Halt waited until years later to admit there were 2 sites. I have a theroy why and that has to do with everthing else Halt has done. IE the memo with the dates and nights being wrong and everthing else he has done to muddle the water he was hung out to dry on this and wants to tell his story but can't so in his own way is leaving clues. The problem is half the time it leeds to more confusion than it helps. he has made statement over the years like what happened inside the weapons storage area the plane that showed up afterwards even backing up Penniston and warrens claim that they were interagated. He aslo stated that our personal records were at the NSA.I know that General Williams will have nothing to do with him which tells me he crossed the line at some pointe.....

[larry warren]

Andy, all respects to you. bro!
But ye are wrong!
it has to be three ground contact events.
my reasons for such outllandish thoughts are posted in previous ramblings
by my other mothers!
elvis barger warren
ps i am seeking help!
GOD BLESS GEORGE CARLIN ! 1937# 2008
thanks for the laughsG, im crying! the king!!!

[redsocks]

Larry career was allready over. Plus some people more than others have to get things out. Larry also has stated he had a encounter when he was younger back in the states....

LW states MORE than the two mentioned sightings(when he was younger and Rendlesham) in "Left at East Gate".

Redsocks

[Andy]

I can follow things very well John. Perhaps it's down to people's grammar and use of the English language that confuses me? To me, something landing, means exactly that ie lands on the ground? When has Halt ever admitted to seeing anything land and on the ground? Saw beams of light hitting the ground according to him, but to me that is not landing.

[John Burroughs]

Fair enough Andy! I have stated thats what he told me when I ment up with him on the 3rd night! From what he stated to me and looking at what he has said over the years I feel he his droping clues good or bad. I cannot beleive that he didnot know where the first landing site was and therefore that is why I feel the way I do...

[Andy]

Andy, all respects to you. bro!
But ye are wrong!
it has to be three ground contact events.
my reasons for such outllandish thoughts are posted in previous ramblings
by my other mothers!
elvis barger warren
ps i am seeking help!
GOD BLESS GEORGE CARLIN ! 1937# 2008
thanks for the laughsG, im crying! the king!!!

1. Penniston et al (1st landing.)
2. Second night, lights in the sky, and beams striking the ground. Personally to me this does not constitute a landing as such, but that's just my opinion.
3. Your night in the field (2nd landing?)

Aside from these, Halt suddenly has a bout of seeming senilitiy and start investigating another site other than that of the first night, which Penniston et al claim? Yes, that would then make three, and the one Brenda Butler claims, and also marked out by the forestry commission on the trail, but then makes no sense as to why he would be investigating that spot in the first place, as it would seem to be inaccurate and irrelevant?

Bruni claims another (that makes four?) as shown her apparently by VT, and shown in her book.

BB then claims it's not there, but in line with lighthouse etc? That would make five sites, but would also seemingly tie in with Ian's theories?

Penniston then claims another site! etc, etc

What a joke! And we're supposed to be able to actually 'follow' all this? Or actually believe it? Hardly seems to add any credubility to the case, or those involved, on the face of it; and at least, in retrospect, the only one who can seemingly give a straight answer and explanantion really do seem to be IanR? As said i keep an open mind, and not particularly concerned how mundane the answer might be as to what really happened; just would like an answer. As much as i'm disappointed to date, despite high expectations, i console myself with the fact that on the face of it, this whole ongoing saga is somewhat amusing.

[larry warren]

again and again!
i was out when Halt was out , i was not with him but saw someone similer
i once asked ch, if he wore glasses, nat night? ive never seen him with glasses,
however he never answered the question.
after the events i encountered him often as he hung with the SPS
and i have people that place me next to them that night. i dont think they have mentle
health issiues.
i fear that if we keep kicking that dead dog , i will!
as to halts site, i have seen it and it was at least 200 yards from the caple green ground zero
the red light that is described by halt on the tape, is the start of the caple green event, as sceen
thru the trees at the above distance. also the woodbridge pd was out there aswell, nomatter what thay say.

[puddlepirate]

Just thought I'd chuck my tuppenceworth in....

Does it really matter about the exact location of the landing site(s)? All evidence will be long gone by now. Surely the important thing is WHAT came down not WHERE....perhaps we need to focus on the technology, or as David C has mentioned in another thread re Bentwaters, the possiblity of some kind of distortion of light from vehicle headlamps, or dare I mention it, the lighthouse?

[larry warren]

hi dudes,
i give any one permition to reproduce from east gate, the interview with busty, as done by
larry fauctt, at the time an active cop and a lt, post it review it and come to your own conclusions
but at least they will be fact based conclusions, as to that matter.
yo andy, when it comes to gramer im the king of train wrecks, and they let me write a book!
as for having stuff happen other than RFI,guilty as charged! why? dont know.
is the shit real and happining around the world daily! you can bet on it!
i diddrnt tell ABs story, nor would i have wanted to take the shit that came after.
remember, i called my mother the next morning, and thats in 1980 on the base with battram,
so i still had the potential of a carrear, after the call the games began!
why mess with peoples heads, make them think that they saw this? if the person was not involved at all?
i mean if that is what whent down, i want to know! what was the reason. halt knows i and some others guys got messed
with, so really why! he confirmed that on national tv, so whos the wise guy yhat can tell me what went down?
and yea ufos are effing real.
happy happy!
oh yea, the pictures that i showed Gb, were not from spooks, it was from an LE,
the spook thing was in the 80s, why show me? cause i was the only cat fightin the fight, and for a very long time.
lots of spook shit in this bag brothers! including mosad.
lock your windows, larry.

[John Burroughs]

Larry
All I am asking is you take the time to answer my questions. Somebody asked you why nobody else but you claim there was contact with what ever it was. Well I was there and I know what went down and I also know how that could have appeared to look that way. Where was Bustina when you stated you saw that? Did your incident happen before or after what Halt was stating happened to him on his tape. IE Beams of light comming down at his feet? I can't place you out there because I didnot see you but I will know where and what you saw if you would just answer my questions!!

[Observer]

Puddle is right, stop wasting time and energy trying to establish 'alleged' landing sites [sites you will never truly establish now] and concentrate on what was seen and the possible technology behind it.
Obs

[Andy]

Observer, you of all people, really do surprise me.... Very disappointed. Good luck guys. I've have enough of this. I'm wasting my time, along with those seemingly others who are seemingly wasting my time? More important things deserving of my attention seems to beckon, so long. Life is too short, and i'm not that really interested. A few yanks out in a forest, who can't seem to get their facts right..... rah-rah.

[Observer]

Andy
I have got to the stage of complete frustration re the landing sites and who was there and who wasn't.
I have been as keen as any one in my enquiries trying to get answers but all it ends up doing is going round in circles. I thus think that this particular part of our investigation may never be resolved.
However, i am just as keen and interested in researching this mystery which i am currently doing but on other leads that may be more fruitful.

So please don't be disapointed in me as i'm still here slogging away doing my bit.
Obs

[Andy]

Can anyone explain how i can delete my account? I've looked, but can't find how to do it?

[Andy]

Good luck Ian, I can now see where you are coming from Would be good to meet up sometime over a beer, maybe.

[Andy]

Puddle is right, stop wasting time and energy trying to establish 'alleged' landing sites [sites you will never truly establish now] and concentrate on what was seen and the possible technology behind it.
Obs

Puddle can also make phone calls, but don't follow them up?