The landing site [later general discussion]

[puddlepirate]

Curiouser and curiouser.....unless the c/s were re-assigned. It appears (see the link in my previous post) that C-5s had a different group of c/s.....

Can it be verified that the C-5 used COSMIC as its c/s? The President flies around in Airforce One - I assume that is the c/s so perhaps the C-5 used something like COSEC...not MIC, i.e. SEC for secretary (of the Air Force) and COSMIC is a corruption of that. It's pity we don't know the tail no of the C-5....

[Dave100]

I stand corrected that the C-5 landed at Bentwaters not Woodbridge due to a secure parking area but I'm sure Ive read it was Woodbridge,however they probably got that detail wrong,suppose it makes sense if the nukes were at Bentwaters.
Colonel Halt was definetley not allowed to know anything about this flight according to himself and I don't think its coincidence it flew in directly after the incidents and according to Halt several men did go into the forest from that flight so it must be connected to the incidents.Its call sign is fascinating if it was cosmic.I also recall Jim Penniston saying there were several unscheduled flights coming in so it all probably ties in with some sort of investigation to do directly with the incidents.
Its worth remembering that if some of these guys went to the WSA from the C-5 then this would tie in with the weapons that were affected by the beams fired into the WSA from the craft hovering above,this comes from Colonel Halt of course as detailed in Larrys and Peter Robbins book,this is a crucial detail and would point to somekind of exotic technology thats capable of affecting nukes remotely from an airbourne vehicle because thats what they were,intelligently controlled craft with a purpose and mission as Larry points out.
If we believe Colonels Halts comments on this and theres no reason not to then this detail in itself rules out any daft other theorys once and for all,flying lighthouses,stars etc.I personally will no longer debate those particular daft counter theorys again,I think they are nonsense,if people are so convinced that explains the incidents and they are satisfied with that then why do they continue to engage in debate on that particular aspect?
For me and I know its conjecture but its almost certain that this aspect(WSA) caused great alarm as it happened and would have been recorded on audio tape,its maybe the main reason other tapes havent been released so far,just my opinion.
There are a good few examples of "ufo's" flying over nuclear weapon sites/missile silo's and affecting the weapons directly,it wasnt the first time it happened at Bentwaters/Woodbridge by any means.
The aftermath of all this is just as important or more so as Larry has said many times and the way witnesses were hassled and messed with and monitored for a long time after and maybe are still today.
Maybe the C-5 was a nuke exchange plane but apparently it was unmarked apart from a tail number perhaps,is this usual /normal? Maybe will will never know or untill we get more witnesses on this aspect.

[Observer]

Dave
I agree with a lot of what you say, firstly, its lost energy trying to comment or argue the point on the light house or stars or whatever. Its diversionary to the main incident.

Larry seems to be 'pissed' off with all the debunkers that are posting and from my perspective they are trying to take over this forum even though they are in the minority amongst our membership. It realy is up to the the individual if they wish to continue arguing about the light house, but i'm not one of them. Please consider though that those who advocate the light house have every right to put their view forward.

Halt said that there were light beams going down into the WSA, now if we suppose for a moment that it was because of NW being stored there then, which WSA, BW or WB? Only BW had nukes but Halt was not that specific on which WSA, plus BW WSA was a couple of miles away so if they were going down into the BW WSA then it at best is a guess on his part due to the distance involved.

It is absolute hearsay that any nukes were affected by these alleged light beams and if they were, no way are the USAF going to tell you. If the little green men from Mars were trying to knobble the nukes, then they got it wrong with Woodbridge but then they don't get it wrong do they?
All NW were stored in an inert/disarmed state meaning that the triggers were not fitted, The triggers were stored seperately and only fitted when the weapon was going to be attached to an aircraft for actual war use. Graham Haynes can enlighten you on the actual detail of this.

I believe Penniston's remark that a few uncheduled flights arrived after the incident, the C-5 being one.
I think it quite normal that after such an incident the 'Brass' would want to have a look for themselves.
One thing that stands out about all these sightings especially around NW bases is, they started to be reported after the first atomic tests in 1945, and have continued to date. Having said that, there were other NW weapon bases in Norfolk and Lincolnshire that never had reports of sightings, it only seems to be US NW bases? How do we reconcile that with the theory that these beams were out to mess up the bombs so they wouldn't work, so why be selective?
Obs

[Dave100]

Observer,your right about everybody having their right to their say about what they think the incidents might be caused by,lighthouse or whatever and I would defend that right till the cows come home,it only becomes a bummer for me when sceptics but they are really debunkers as no ammount of evidence matters to them(dont give me the facts my minds made up) usually have the last say on most documentarys so Joe Public does not get the full picture and is happy to believe alternative theorys that don't fit the witness testimony's.
It is lost energy and its certainly diversionary.
Its not hearsay about the WSA and the beams and Colonel Halts comments to Peter Robbins,Bob Oechsler and Larry Warren in a meeting they had at Washington as detailed on page 413 of Left At East Gate.Light beams had penetrated the hardened bunkers of the Bentwaters WSA.If thats true and Iv'e no reason to believe its not then its a very,very,significant detail and its extremely important in the context of the whole incident,I hope Larry will comment further on that on the forum.
I was aware that the triggers were seperate from the warhead but am not up on the technical aspects of nukes and how they are armed etc I just know they are nasty little devils and give you more than a tan! But its irrelevant to me if theses things were capable of penetrating concrete and lead lined bunkers and adversely affecting said NW's
Your right again that the USAF aint gonna tell anyone about any affected NW's at Bentwaters but they don't have to if more witnesses come forward on that aspect who are credible like the ones we already have on the forum.So I think Colonel Halt was specific at the aforementioned meeting where some of the beams landed but we can all agree there were plenty of them in and around the bases and the forest.
I don't know why they would be selective as regards which bases are targeted but maybe they know something we dont,the Russians have had such incidents as well as minuteman missile silo's as seen in some USA FOIA documents,so who knows? maybe they were time travellers or they whoever they are don't like us messing with nukes.
They certainly were sightings after the first nuke tests,these craft wherever they get off from take a strong interest in nuke bases and power plants,there were approximately 200 ufo/flying saucer sightings just before the Roswell crash in and around that area.

[Observer]

Hi Dave
Good stuff, and keep it coming, i agree with most of your remarks but what is puzzling me is the beams coming down into the Bentwaters WSA and affecting the NW there.
This is a give away in reverse, let me explain. From where Halt and his party were in the forest there is absolutely no way he would know where those beams were going to ground. At best from where he was standing, it could only be in the general direction of the Bentwaters airfield. If you stood in the middle of the Woodbridge airfield you cannot see Bentwaters as there is a woods in the way and its a couple of miles away anyway. There are too many obsticles for a sighting like that.
So if he is saying that the beams came down into the BW WSA and affected the NW then it was witnessed by some body else much nearer the WSA, probably very near. When he said the weapons were [allegedly] affected is this an admission that they were which implies he was told they were by some body else? The only people who would get a front seat on these beams going down into the BW WSA would be the guys in the BW WSA observation tower which is inside the compound. I've been up this tower you have a perfect picture of all the bunkers. Actually, i could not see WB from the BW WSA Obs tower either.

Yes Halt and others saw the beams but they didn't see the beams from where they were standing actually penetrate the bunkers at BW, Halt was told they did. If you visit both bases the very topography of the area will explain better than me.

As for other nuke sites being tampered with round the world including SAC sites, i just don't know other than there are too many reports of this for us to ignore. Of course the Authorities are never going to reveal this information into the public domain. Its still odd though that some of the Strategic weapon [H Bomb] sites in Norfolk and Lincolnshire never reported any 'funny' business. Hence my term selective.
It seems that only the 2 super powers were experiencing this. Now from the perspective of an onlooker looking down on our world as a sort of referee, it would look like the 2 super powers Russia & USA were the two most likely to press the button, not France or GB, although GB would get dragged in pretty quick.

Obs

[robert]

I think Obs the French had there fair share of UFOs round there Nuclear Tests. They aren't really restricted to Nuclear Missiles though.

Nuclear Power Stations (Chenobyl) before or during the disaster.
Nuclear Aircraft Carriers etc.

Robert

[Observer]

Are, 'Green' Little men from Mars, Sorry SL, couldn't resists that one.
Thanks for the write up on the Russian disaster.
Obs

[Observer]

Robert i agree, but its always the US sightings that seem to get better coverage in the press/media which is why other countries with nuclear facilities don't feature quite so much.
Anyway, Bush should leave Iran alone and let the aliens sort it out, much cheaper option.
Obs

[John Burroughs]

Guys Im back from vacation and I cant keep up with everything that has gone on the last week. As far as the WSA goes I was with Halt and we could see the beams of light going down into the area and we could and this is where the tape comes in could hear eveything going on inside the area as it was happening. We could not see the area but we could see the lights going done in the area it was and could hear what was going on. As far as the tape goes I was held up for awhile but was allowed out in the area and that is where I ment up with Halts party. As far as the plane goes I saw it land and it was not a exchange plane to include the way it was secured. I was also posted on the east gate while the people from the plane were out in the forrest. Also it was stated that what was stored in the area was effected. I will not have enough time to go back and read and answer everthing that has been posted so if anybody has any questions post them on this thread and i will do my best.

[Observer]

Hi John
Welcome back, hope it was a nice break.
Would you have a go at voting on our Member's Hit List, Just score each one out of 10 like the previous posts. When enough people have voted we can look at the leading theories in more detail.
Obs

[Robert McLean]

Robert
Probably because Halt is going public all the time with interviews and seminars, where as Williams isn't. Williams is possibly afraid that Halt will say too much one day and give the game away so to speak.
This infers that both Halt and Williams no a lot more than we do.
Obs

Gordon Williams became seriously ill with encephalitis contracted during his last assignment in the Philippines. He got the best treatment after being transported back to the US, but nearly died. Gordon Williams has almost no recollection of the relevant events because this illness.

Regarding Halt, I have concluded that he is essentially telling the truth. Of course, he may have forgotton some things, and he may be holding back some information for whatever reason. But this is not to say that his interpretation of what he saw is correct. Almost every light that Halt saw can be matched up with manmade lights except, of course, that light which he decribed being beamed down from the light that appeared to approach them from the south.

[slipX]

I was camping at Tangham last weekend and of course I did the UFO trail. At the landing site there's three wooden stakes in triangular formation that weren't there on my last visit about two years ago. Anyone know who put them there?

Also does anyone know what the deal is behind the alien head signs nailed to the rear of the UFO trail waymarkers? I believe it's some kind of 'code' and there's a codecracker thingy you can take on the trail with you.

[robert]

Hi JB,
Glad you're back on site.
Re this section.
''As far as the plane goes I saw it land and it was not a exchange plane to include the way it was secured. I was also posted on the east gate while the people from the plane were out in the forrest. Also it was stated that what was stored in the area was effected.''

The people that you saw come out of the plane. Did you see if they were wearing regulation USAF gear and did you or anyone get to know what they were doing in the forest?

Cheers

Robert

[robert]

Robert i agree, but its always the US sightings that seem to get better coverage in the press/media which is why other countries with nuclear facilities don't feature quite so much.
Anyway, Bush should leave Iran alone and let the aliens sort it out, much cheaper option.
Obs

I think the US and the Russians have more sightings probably because they have more Nukes than anyone else.

Or we are able to keep it quieter due to our superior cover ups by the MOD!
After all they did send Jerry the wrong way on D Day! Now that was a secret and some brilliant disinformation that will take some beating.

Robert

[larry warren]

hi,
the C5g was at the Woodbridge Base, it was not comon to see that type of craft at the Bases at all,
Halt attempted toaproach it and was kept back by the security team that flew in with it.
it contained men in white sutes(no jokes please!)
it was most defo brought in because of the events.
that team went out to the forrest, for whatever purpose.
i remember the Sec of the USAF flew in to Bentwaters not very long after the events, it was on a DOD lear
with the seal of the air force on its tail, i saw it and i bet JB did aswell and the visit was not in the autum of 81
like the dod would like us to think, it parked near the BW flight tower.

Bws flightline was not really C5 capable in 8081 but WBs was, and moreso as the decade moved on.
I dont know what point im trying to make?
Goodnight.

[Observer]

Larry
John Burroughs said the C-5 landed at Bentwaters because it had a secure parking area which Woodbridge did not?
Corporal Obs

[robert]

hi,
the C5g was at the Woodbridge Base, it was not comon to see that type of craft at the Bases at all,
Halt attempted toaproach it and was kept back by the security team that flew in with it.
it contained men in white sutes(no jokes please!)
it was most defo brought in because of the events.
that team went out to the forrest, for whatever purpose.
i remember the Sec of the USAF flew in to Bentwaters not very long after the events, it was on a DOD lear
with the seal of the air force on its tail, i saw it and i bet JB did aswell and the visit was not in the autum of 81
like the dod would like us to think, it parked near the BW flight tower.

Bws flightline was not really C5 capable in 8081 but WBs was, and moreso as the decade moved on.
I dont know what point im trying to make?
Goodnight.

Thanks very much for that Larry,
Nobody seems to know what these White coated guys were doing in the Forest. Do we take it because you guys,(LW and JB) don't know what they were doing then neither does Col. Halt? He never mentioned what they were doing in the Forest. And the white suits is interesting LW. It does imply they aren't bothered who sees them in the middle of the night!
Anybody know who wears Whites? Air Force Support Engineers?, NASA?, Scientists? Boscombe Down? What would they fly in or out that would need a a C5?
And thanks for confirming SECAF was there Larry.Appreciate that info as well.
Some useful stuff to work on.

Robert

[Observer]

Robert
I thought Lab technicians or even forensic scientists, the reason i mentioned the latter was because some time ago, some body phoned me up and said we should be looking at a crime rather than all the other theories. The number was withheld and 'SHE' would not give her name, but she had an American accent.
Obs

[robert]

Intriguing phone call Obs.

How did she get your Phone number?
No, don't answer that!

The only 'crimes' I can think of are trespass. ,(CND) and terrorism re attempted theft of Nuclear weapons?

And of course the guys according to Georgina Bruni in her book that went missing!

I think LW's an expert on Georgina's book. Perhaps we can ask Larry what he thinks of Georgina's comment about personnel going missing and the search party sent to look for them going missing as well?

Its a hell of a crime that carries over three days and involves General Gabriel and SECAF and C5 tranport plane and interrogation of Airforce security personnel.

Extremely interesting though Obs,

Thanks for that.

Robert

[Observer]

Robert
And the IRA! Don't forget that their policy was to embarrass the British Government big time and 1980 fits their period of activity.
Obs