30 year reunion

[John Burroughs]

Andy
Where is the farmers house? If you listen to Halts tape thats the area he saw the blue lights and the objects break up into different pieces!

[Andy]

Adrian
Can you post on the map where Halt saw the red glowing object that broke into different lights. Also where he had the blue light beame down the light!

I think that might be a bit of a tall order John? Just been reading the transcript of Halt's tape in GB's book. I personally think there are too many breaks in the tape recording and his/their positioning at times was too sketchy and vague to be able to say their approximate positioning at the time, and mark it on the map.

[John Burroughs]

I know some of what happened was around the farmers house can you show that on the map?

[Andy]

Andy
Where is the farmers house? If you listen to Halts tape thats the area he saw the blue lights and the objects break up into different pieces!

That is so weird you ask me that question, John Having just been reading the Halt transcript, and the mention of the farm house it got me wondering at the time, which farm house? However, i think i can hazard a good guess?

Ok, this is what i think. If you stand at the edge of the forest over looking the field, there are two houses quite clearly seen. In GB's book she give a drawn map 'Georgina Bruni's rough map, taking into account witness statement.'
She shows three houses. Looking across the field and on the left is/was the Boast's home who i believe was a game keeper. The house in the middle cannot be seen from the edge of the forest, but GB mention it was leased to an American service man. The third house on the right (and the second of the two that can be seen from the forest edge) belonged to Victor Cutting (who apparently died a few years ago in a house fire). GB describes him in her book. He was not exactly a farmer, but cared for a herd of cattle out on the field, and the ones you heard when you had your encounter. It is his house i believe is the farm house Halt is referring to, and also is in close proximity to LW's landing site.

[John Burroughs]

can you show that on the map?

[John Burroughs]

can you show that on the map?

[AdrianF]

John, a very quick addition to the map, just to show the farmers house.



Andy has given a pretty thorough description there and I think he's right that the 3rd house in the road is the farmhouse we all refer to.

[John Burroughs]

Thanks was that field like that back then before the house

[John Burroughs]

Thanks was that field like that back then before the house

[Andy]

Adrian and i have planned to go there on thursday. I don't have a digital camera, but hopefully he does and takes it along so we can take a picture for you.

However, in the meantime:
Look at the map and the red dotted line going through it showing the path, and it continues on through the farmers field. Imagine you are standing in the direction of the red line facing the farmers field. Where the red line ends at the far end of the field, follow it down to the right until it ends. It is roughly there where the farm house is, and also in the area of the Huge Oak tree that LW mention, but as said has long since gone.

Ps i have just edited this post: I posted it not knowing Adrian had posted before me. He has shown the location of the farm house, i was a few metres out, but still in the same area, and we both agree on the same farm house

As said, hopefully we can get a pic from the edge of the forest over looking the field so that you can see the two houses in question.

[AdrianF]

I don't think the field has changed in any considerable way, except for what it was used for.

[John Burroughs]

I pretty sure that is the area he was in because i did not walk very far before I ment up with him

[Andy]

Thanks was that field like that back then before the house

I would say the field in front of the house is very likely the same as back then, but the landscape a bit different ie minus one large oak tree for example.

[John Burroughs]

Just to give everbody a heads up there will be a short interview with me tommorow on the BBC mourning show.

[Andy]

Just to give everbody a heads up there will be a short interview with me tommorow on the BBC mourning show.

Fantastic. Great stuff John. And many thanks for your input on this forum, and Larrys, also. We honestly do appreciate it, and are very privileged.

[Andy]

I pretty sure that is the area he was in because i did not walk very far before I ment up with him

That is interesting John, and as said, we really are privileged to have you on this forum, as only you (and your colleagues) were there. None of us were, and we can only benefit from your first hand experience(s).

On your second night, what route did your friends/colleagues take you? Was it the path you took on the first night? ie the now non existent logging path, that Adrian and i have been discussing?, or was it a different one and maybe, a bit further down the road (which would have been route 12)? From both areas you would have not needed to have walked very far before you met up with him ie Halt, but i have my own ideas, which i shall keep to myself until you give a reply, as to what path you were on at the time. I don't want to put words into your mouth so to speak, i would prefer to hear it 'from the horses mouth', (a British idiomatic expression) again so to speak, because then, it would add another piece to this seemingly rapidly growing un-ravelling of a puzzle, where things are seemingly suddenly making sense, and peoples' statements etc also making clear sense and other things will therefore at last start to slot into place.

[John Burroughs]

I was in the same area of the lightalls when I walked out to meet up with him..

[John Burroughs]

I was in the same area of the lightalls when I walked out to meet up with him..

[puddlepirate]

Interesting stuff... so the farmer's house - the one that

appeard to be glowing, as if on fire

is not the one to the left of the field encountered at the edge of the forest, i.e. the Boast's house but one on the lane that runs along the bottom of that field. And the 'barnyard' animals that Halt referred to were in the field opposite, on the other side of the road? On p.213 of GB's book (Pan Books 2001 paperback edition) it mentions that Halt sees this house from the fence line at the edge of the forest, at the top of the field. Given the house was not on fire, then whatever was illuminating it must have been on the forest side, not the side towards the lane. This is puzzling because Halt makes no mention of anything that could be causing this. If the house was lit from within to the extent that it looked as if it were on fire, then it would be reasonable to assume it was occupied and that the occupants might have noticed a squad of US airmen traipsing by, especially if their animals started making a lot of noise.

If I've understood correctly, then this house is at sea level with the first field sloping down behind and the ground in front gradually rising towards Butley Abbey. Sudbourne is a couple of miles away, roughly north of east (where a sighting of an 'upside down mushroom' shape was reported). Is it reasonable to assume then, that the lights Halt commented upon, i.e. coming in from the south etc., and which Sgt Ball suggested were doing a grid search, were somewhere over Butley Marshes? Or perhaps even further to the east, moving over the northern part of Orfordness, roughly where the Cobra Mist antenna were sited. Burrow Hill would have blocked the view of any lights south of the Cobra Mist site. Given the assumed track of the object was approximately 090 or due east (p.60 Skycrash; Grafton Books (1986) paperback) then could it be possible that the lights Halt saw were aircraft of some kind waiting for whatever it was that hit the ground at the landing site?

[puddlepirate]

John, excellent.. which BBC show? Radio e.g. the Today programme on Radio 4 or TV e.g. BBC 1? What time?