If you look at most of the testimony given by Lt Col Halt and several other first hand witnesses you will notice a great similarity to many of the scenes depicted in the Movie, Close Encounters of the Third Kind, which was playing on the Ipswich cinemas at the time along with 'Alien' and Hanger 13.
Here are just a few.
This was brought to my attention by some of my American and English friends, so i got the DVD and watched it again with some friends, we were gob smacked at how all the scenes in the movie seemed to be used by the RFI witnesses.
The wording is not exact, but will suffice for the examples.
1: Halt said a ball of light shot up in the sky and broke into several balls of light, then they all stayed in stationary positions in the sky. This is a scene in THE MOVIE.
2: Halt [possibly some one else] said there were beams of light coming down to the ground and it looked like it was doing a grid pattern search. This is a scene in THE MOVIE
3: A ball of light shot through or very near a vehicle, This is a scene in the MOVIE
4: Electrical equipment played up, this is a scene in the MOVIE.
5: BTDT said there were banks of flood lights [light alls], this was a scene in the MOVIE.
6: LW [not proved he was there] said helicopters were flying around, this was a scene in the MOVIE.
7: An airman breaks down, this was a scene in the MOVIE
8: Person of authority [Williams]? talking to aliens in a misty atmosphere, this was a scene in of the MOVIE
9: Weird markings and patterns on a small craft, this was a scene from the MOVIE
10: Lori Rehfeldt said there were weird and strange cloud patterns rolling over the base in the sky, this was a scene from the MOVIE
11: Airman with camera takes pictures but has them confiscated, this is a scene from the MOVIE.
There are a few more examples, but i will leave them for another post.
Before you poo poo this, just look at the movie again and all will be revealed.
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Close Encounters Of The Third Kind
by Observer » Fri Nov 20, 2009 11:46 am
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Re: Close Encounters Of The Third Kind
by Observer » Sat Nov 21, 2009 12:31 pm
In addition to the list on the previous post.
LW, [not proved he was there] said there were film crews filming the craft, this is a scene out of the MOVIE.
LW, said there were lots of pipes and boxes over it, that's the 'Mother' ship in the Movie
Some body said that the radar was checked, that's a scene out of the MOVIE.
Lori Rehfeldt said two balls of light came down out of the sky and shot across the airfield at high speed, that's a scene in the MOVIE.
Jim Penniston said there was a humming/buzzing noise, that's a scene from the MOVIE
Lights darting about in zig zag paterns high in the sky, [forgot who said this] that's a scene from the MOVIE.
BTDT said he and his section were evacuated from the East end of Woody, there is an evacuation scene in the movie.
The list of similarities is endless and i cannot remember them all.
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LW, [not proved he was there] said there were film crews filming the craft, this is a scene out of the MOVIE.
LW, said there were lots of pipes and boxes over it, that's the 'Mother' ship in the Movie
Some body said that the radar was checked, that's a scene out of the MOVIE.
Lori Rehfeldt said two balls of light came down out of the sky and shot across the airfield at high speed, that's a scene in the MOVIE.
Jim Penniston said there was a humming/buzzing noise, that's a scene from the MOVIE
Lights darting about in zig zag paterns high in the sky, [forgot who said this] that's a scene from the MOVIE.
BTDT said he and his section were evacuated from the East end of Woody, there is an evacuation scene in the movie.
The list of similarities is endless and i cannot remember them all.
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Re: Close Encounters Of The Third Kind
by AdrianF » Tue Nov 24, 2009 5:16 pm
Obs,
I put this info forward when I first joined the forum. With Close Encounters there definitely are an amazing amount of similarities between the RFI and many of the scenes in the film. Also in Hangar 18, which was playing in Ipswich in December, a craft is captured and held in a top secret facility. The craft, which is triangular in shape, contained walls of symbols not unlike the ones drawn by Jim Penniston.
Here is the films IMDB page if you want to look it up.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0080836/
Does this mean that they've all been having us on for the last 30 years? I don't know, but I do think that these films and the huge coverage that UFOs had in the media at the time, probably influenced either the way that strange events were perceived or the way in which they were reported/investigated. It could also point to a hoax, if the seeds for this were planted pre christmas with these films showing, then there were plenty of ideas to follow. The thing is with a hoax, as we gone over before, there is still no real evidence to back it up.
If you want to see the similarities between the RFI and CE3 in bite size chunk, then you really should watch the original Watch The Skies featurette from 1977, which played in cinemas then. Pay close attention from 2:28 onwards!
I put this info forward when I first joined the forum. With Close Encounters there definitely are an amazing amount of similarities between the RFI and many of the scenes in the film. Also in Hangar 18, which was playing in Ipswich in December, a craft is captured and held in a top secret facility. The craft, which is triangular in shape, contained walls of symbols not unlike the ones drawn by Jim Penniston.
Here is the films IMDB page if you want to look it up.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0080836/
Does this mean that they've all been having us on for the last 30 years? I don't know, but I do think that these films and the huge coverage that UFOs had in the media at the time, probably influenced either the way that strange events were perceived or the way in which they were reported/investigated. It could also point to a hoax, if the seeds for this were planted pre christmas with these films showing, then there were plenty of ideas to follow. The thing is with a hoax, as we gone over before, there is still no real evidence to back it up.
If you want to see the similarities between the RFI and CE3 in bite size chunk, then you really should watch the original Watch The Skies featurette from 1977, which played in cinemas then. Pay close attention from 2:28 onwards!
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Re: Close Encounters Of The Third Kind
by Observer » Tue Nov 24, 2009 6:37 pm
Hi Adrian
Yes, watch the first movie. It was for me any way too coincidental with all the scenes that I high lighted. I don't mind being proved wrong, but i suggest that the movie is seen again before any judgement is passed. This brings me on to another question, were they all 'coached' to use these clips or did they just think of them as a hoax. I really cannot make my mind up. However, it was the later interviews rather than the early ones where these descriptions started to emerge. Of course we have no hard evidence that this was a hoax but at the same time we have very little hard evidence, especially material evidence that it was not. May be Steven Spielberg had a film set at Woody, sorry, could not resist that.
If as i pointed out they used many scenes out of the movie in their testimony, then they have done themselves no favours at all as surely they must have realised that some one one day would spot this.
I am also very sure that none of our witnesses understood or could comprehend what they saw and i do sympathise with them, but i think they saw what some body wanted them to see because it was a decoy for some thing else that was going on in another part of the base/area.
No, i don't know what it was, but i am damn sure it was of this world.
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Yes, watch the first movie. It was for me any way too coincidental with all the scenes that I high lighted. I don't mind being proved wrong, but i suggest that the movie is seen again before any judgement is passed. This brings me on to another question, were they all 'coached' to use these clips or did they just think of them as a hoax. I really cannot make my mind up. However, it was the later interviews rather than the early ones where these descriptions started to emerge. Of course we have no hard evidence that this was a hoax but at the same time we have very little hard evidence, especially material evidence that it was not. May be Steven Spielberg had a film set at Woody, sorry, could not resist that.
If as i pointed out they used many scenes out of the movie in their testimony, then they have done themselves no favours at all as surely they must have realised that some one one day would spot this.
I am also very sure that none of our witnesses understood or could comprehend what they saw and i do sympathise with them, but i think they saw what some body wanted them to see because it was a decoy for some thing else that was going on in another part of the base/area.
No, i don't know what it was, but i am damn sure it was of this world.
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Re: Close Encounters Of The Third Kind
by China_Racer_1 » Tue Nov 24, 2009 11:39 pm
I read the info above and all well and good but it does NOT explain my sighting a few weeks later and the USAF oficial responce to me calling in a sighting.
I was never coached by anyone. I have never seen CE3 in full anyway. Just a part about mashed potatoes and a big hill or something.
I am not a MUFON member nor do I really believe in UFO's 100%
I just know I saw something that I can not say was of this world or not. It was an amazing craft for its time if it is earthly.
Also if you saw teh guys coming into the break room tehmornign after adn the attitude thay had it was nto one of.. "Oh boy we jsut pulled one over on them."
It was one of "Leave me the fuck alone!" Not a typical hoaxers responce. I would think a hoaxer would rellish in the lime light. These guys crawled into a hole.
But not being there at the time and not seeing what was going on and how the whole mood and all was there you people would not know this and instead play monday night quarterback and call the game from hind sight... not memory/experiance.
One other note. Ipswitch was quite the walk away from Bentwaters. I got to Ipswitch once or twice the whole time I was in the hUK. Most of us poor grunts did not venture off base a whole lot.
So Mr. Observer if as you say you "KNOW" it was an earthly craft or earthyly event please show me some tangable proof, Please. I would love to know what I saw, for sure. Its been driving me up a wall for 30 years.
Do they typically use sodium penathol on witnesses of hoaxes? or have spooks tailing witnesses of hoaxes to gather intel on them? hmm maybe they would do that.
Truth is no one really knows what happened those nights or later in my sighting. I doubt anyone ever will unless there is a death bed confession coming up soon.
And if it was an intel experiment using holgrahms or drugs or powers of suggestion. Please, oh dear god, please prove that so I can file suit for being part of an experiment I did not authorize on myself.
I think the black soldiers at Tuskeegee that were subjected to syphilus experiments set a landmark case for that, so I could ge gobs of money if this theory were true. woo hoo!
What is the cash value for all these guys to get for 30 years of mind fucking stress? got to me a few quid eh?
I was never coached by anyone. I have never seen CE3 in full anyway. Just a part about mashed potatoes and a big hill or something.
I am not a MUFON member nor do I really believe in UFO's 100%
I just know I saw something that I can not say was of this world or not. It was an amazing craft for its time if it is earthly.
Also if you saw teh guys coming into the break room tehmornign after adn the attitude thay had it was nto one of.. "Oh boy we jsut pulled one over on them."
It was one of "Leave me the fuck alone!" Not a typical hoaxers responce. I would think a hoaxer would rellish in the lime light. These guys crawled into a hole.
But not being there at the time and not seeing what was going on and how the whole mood and all was there you people would not know this and instead play monday night quarterback and call the game from hind sight... not memory/experiance.
One other note. Ipswitch was quite the walk away from Bentwaters. I got to Ipswitch once or twice the whole time I was in the hUK. Most of us poor grunts did not venture off base a whole lot.
So Mr. Observer if as you say you "KNOW" it was an earthly craft or earthyly event please show me some tangable proof, Please. I would love to know what I saw, for sure. Its been driving me up a wall for 30 years.
Do they typically use sodium penathol on witnesses of hoaxes? or have spooks tailing witnesses of hoaxes to gather intel on them? hmm maybe they would do that.
Truth is no one really knows what happened those nights or later in my sighting. I doubt anyone ever will unless there is a death bed confession coming up soon.
And if it was an intel experiment using holgrahms or drugs or powers of suggestion. Please, oh dear god, please prove that so I can file suit for being part of an experiment I did not authorize on myself.
I think the black soldiers at Tuskeegee that were subjected to syphilus experiments set a landmark case for that, so I could ge gobs of money if this theory were true. woo hoo!
What is the cash value for all these guys to get for 30 years of mind fucking stress? got to me a few quid eh?
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Re: Close Encounters Of The Third Kind
by Observer » Wed Nov 25, 2009 9:25 am
China
I don't know too much about your sighting a couple of weeks later.
At the moment, i'm the bad guy in this for daring to suggest the similiarities between the CE3 and the RFI. I'm not the only one to have said this. I want every one to know that i do not say it was a hoax, i just suggested it could have been, and no, i have no proof. It is my duty as an investigator to look at every possible angle and i would be failing that duty if i didn't.
As for a psycops test, may be, but it would be crazy to run that off base on British soil where inocent civilians could have got cought up in it, much too risky.
I liked John's idea of a UAV such as the SPRITE, and its possible that this was the craft seen in the woods, just guessing, but this tech was around in 1980. I think its worth further investigation. Then Joh'n idea of a SAT was brought down is another idea worth looking at, but we have some who say no way and others who say may be.
We also have the idea that a nuclear weapon was involved some where.
I have always had a feeling that the Russians were behind this incident or were involved in it some where. Then we have the other suggestion that the British were responsible.
Some body suggested that it could have been a UAV launched from a Russian ship in the North sea on a spy mission and it all went wrong and crashed in the woods.
So there are many leads to keep looking at, but none so far have gone to the front of the cue as the most likely.
I can understand people's frustration with this and we all need closure or an explanation, perhaps the USAF higher command know but are not going to tell, which says what are they hiding, or may be they don't know either.
The only thing left is an alien visit, and that you will agree will be impossible to prove.
You guys are in a much better position than us over here to contact VETS from that base and see if any can help in the investigation, i'm sure there must be more people out there that know things but have not spoken.
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I don't know too much about your sighting a couple of weeks later.
At the moment, i'm the bad guy in this for daring to suggest the similiarities between the CE3 and the RFI. I'm not the only one to have said this. I want every one to know that i do not say it was a hoax, i just suggested it could have been, and no, i have no proof. It is my duty as an investigator to look at every possible angle and i would be failing that duty if i didn't.
As for a psycops test, may be, but it would be crazy to run that off base on British soil where inocent civilians could have got cought up in it, much too risky.
I liked John's idea of a UAV such as the SPRITE, and its possible that this was the craft seen in the woods, just guessing, but this tech was around in 1980. I think its worth further investigation. Then Joh'n idea of a SAT was brought down is another idea worth looking at, but we have some who say no way and others who say may be.
We also have the idea that a nuclear weapon was involved some where.
I have always had a feeling that the Russians were behind this incident or were involved in it some where. Then we have the other suggestion that the British were responsible.
Some body suggested that it could have been a UAV launched from a Russian ship in the North sea on a spy mission and it all went wrong and crashed in the woods.
So there are many leads to keep looking at, but none so far have gone to the front of the cue as the most likely.
I can understand people's frustration with this and we all need closure or an explanation, perhaps the USAF higher command know but are not going to tell, which says what are they hiding, or may be they don't know either.
The only thing left is an alien visit, and that you will agree will be impossible to prove.
You guys are in a much better position than us over here to contact VETS from that base and see if any can help in the investigation, i'm sure there must be more people out there that know things but have not spoken.
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Re: Close Encounters Of The Third Kind
by John Burroughs » Wed Nov 25, 2009 3:44 pm
Steve
Your right on about one thing! If the British or US government were doing a test on us and we find out well we as they say would be doing well! Again why would the USAF stand by Halts memo if it was a hoax! Why would we all get moved around when Warren started talking! Why would all of the paper work disapear to include the Wing History for that month! I think Halt will be the one to spill the beans if anybody ever does if they know what happened! As far as people making the statements about what happened to us and then refusing to face us and say that to our face well they can kiss my ass! I know somthing happened to us that we can not explain to this day! After going over everything I don't think our government knows! Lord Hill Norton was so frustrated by the responce of the 2 governments and he would know what was up as far as there responce! How about this Steve I'm willing to come over next year and face anybody who wants to tell me to my face all the Bullshit they have said about us on this incident and anybody else who would like to talk to me! How about you?
Your right on about one thing! If the British or US government were doing a test on us and we find out well we as they say would be doing well! Again why would the USAF stand by Halts memo if it was a hoax! Why would we all get moved around when Warren started talking! Why would all of the paper work disapear to include the Wing History for that month! I think Halt will be the one to spill the beans if anybody ever does if they know what happened! As far as people making the statements about what happened to us and then refusing to face us and say that to our face well they can kiss my ass! I know somthing happened to us that we can not explain to this day! After going over everything I don't think our government knows! Lord Hill Norton was so frustrated by the responce of the 2 governments and he would know what was up as far as there responce! How about this Steve I'm willing to come over next year and face anybody who wants to tell me to my face all the Bullshit they have said about us on this incident and anybody else who would like to talk to me! How about you?
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Re: Close Encounters Of The Third Kind
by John Burroughs » Wed Nov 25, 2009 3:50 pm
Observer
Go to eath files what happened to him is on there! The interview was on Coast also Silver can you repost the interview! I think what happened to him was ET calling home! What do you think Steve! And by the way if you want to come over should we take the Leer jet because we have made so much money from all of this!
Go to eath files what happened to him is on there! The interview was on Coast also Silver can you repost the interview! I think what happened to him was ET calling home! What do you think Steve! And by the way if you want to come over should we take the Leer jet because we have made so much money from all of this!
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Re: Close Encounters Of The Third Kind
by Observer » Wed Nov 25, 2009 4:32 pm
John
Just looked at it, i guess any thing is possible. Do you think our governments know about time travellers. Why would they want to keep it secret from the people, they should come clean.
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Just looked at it, i guess any thing is possible. Do you think our governments know about time travellers. Why would they want to keep it secret from the people, they should come clean.
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Re: Close Encounters Of The Third Kind
by John Burroughs » Wed Nov 25, 2009 4:42 pm
Observer
If someone is able to time travel and has been doing it I'm sure our government would have some idea about what is going on! I do know under Hypnois both Jim and I had it come out that was what was going on!
If someone is able to time travel and has been doing it I'm sure our government would have some idea about what is going on! I do know under Hypnois both Jim and I had it come out that was what was going on!
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Re: Close Encounters Of The Third Kind
by Observer » Wed Nov 25, 2009 6:24 pm
John
In one chat Win Keech had with Halt about 20 years ago, Halt said they were expecting some thing to come in over the North sea from the East. That surely says Halt knows more than he is telling. In another interview Halt made more recently, he said he knows things that will be his insurance for the future. I have no idea what he means by that but its about time Halt came clean with us all. Were you given any drugs at de brief at Woody that could have messed with your head, i think JP was?
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In one chat Win Keech had with Halt about 20 years ago, Halt said they were expecting some thing to come in over the North sea from the East. That surely says Halt knows more than he is telling. In another interview Halt made more recently, he said he knows things that will be his insurance for the future. I have no idea what he means by that but its about time Halt came clean with us all. Were you given any drugs at de brief at Woody that could have messed with your head, i think JP was?
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Re: Close Encounters Of The Third Kind
by John Burroughs » Wed Nov 25, 2009 6:25 pm
Maybe it was some Top Secreat project that only certain people new anything about! The interesting thing about most people is that they totally beleive it was a ET event or the other side like Observer will do anything they can even grasping at straws saying we were fooled by plantes, stars, lighthouses or hang gliders! Steve statement about what the guys looked like after they were out there tells all! The way we were unable to explain what we saw or how it did what it did! The fact that we still can't find anything today that can do what we saw happen Listen to Halts voice as he says this is unreal as the object is over him beaming down light at him! Somebody has made a statement that was very interesting! 2012 is comming up and its on everybody mind! If there is somthing to it and the Government has some kind of Idea what will happen maybe just maybe there trying to stop it. It has been suggested that certain areas of the earth have weak points that the time travelers use to come through! Areas that have the pyramids and even Stonehenge! And that were trying to block them from comming through by using EMP pulses!
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Re: Close Encounters Of The Third Kind
by John Burroughs » Wed Nov 25, 2009 6:29 pm
Jim and Adrain both said they were brought in! I was not brought in! Halt has said I was! It is interesting that the 3 of us who were the closest may have been brought in! There is no doubt Halt has been hung out to dry on this and I'm sure he has more to add!
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Re: Close Encounters Of The Third Kind
by John Burroughs » Wed Nov 25, 2009 7:15 pm
There is a very interesting picture just posted on earth files! If the picture is real and I say if its real then maybe we can ask who ever it is in the sky if they visted Bentwaters also! Its also a very interesting article! It sure looks like the people from CE were at it again!!!
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Re: Close Encounters Of The Third Kind
by puddlepirate » Wed Nov 25, 2009 9:58 pm
JB... some interesting stuff in the recent posts. Can't comment on most of it but one thing intrigues me. You said
. Which wing was that? Did that wing operate any aircraft and if so, what aircraft types?Why would all of the paper work disapear to include the Wing History for that month!
You can fool all of the people some of the time and some of the people all of the time but you cannot fool all of the people all of the time (Winston Churchill)...causa latet, vis est notissima
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Re: Close Encounters Of The Third Kind
by China_Racer_1 » Thu Nov 26, 2009 12:23 am
WARNING - This is a long RANT
Well if nothing else we got a good debate going here adn I think this is exactly what this case needs.
Debate, witness accounts all in one place at one time telling the total truth.
Halt should be there but he has told me he will not go to a reunion.
So go figure. I guess some people want to do their own thing like make movies and make money and others just want to know the truth.
I fly coach when I can afford a ticket John... yeah lear jet.. ok let me go tell chad to warm up the Gulfstream..... ha I wish!
John I got your number and will call you when I am in the USA in a week or so so we can talk in private and at great length.
I know observer is playing devils advocate and that is his job.
However, I get totally pissed off when someone who was not there, or anyone for that matter, tries to tell me what I saw come in - hover over my head - then take off and go back in the night sky and blend in with the stars is either
A) Swamp gas
B) A light house (Do light houses uproot and hover over head?)
c) A hang glider (Again with the hand time over head)
D) Big Foots mother ship
E) 67th PJs playing a trick on me. (Unless they can fly, hover and go inter stellar in what ever hang glider craft they supposedly used.. uh...no I don't think so)
I wil say this one more time
1) I saw a vehicle of some sort - It came in on its own power - it hovered over my head - It made no noise - It then took off into the night sky and went up up up until I could not discern it from a star.
2) The brass that came out were very excited, brought family with 35MM nikon camera in hand and went out to the forest hopng to get a picture or see an ET craft. It was said right in front of me.
I am not lying about this and I think this in EVERY WAY connects my incident with the "BIG SHOW" of december 1980 as it validates that high ranking USAF officers knew of this earlier event and they theselves believe in deed it was ET in nature or why else the big fan fare and cameras on my sighting night?
I also think they had no clue what exactly it was. They did not act like they had any control of the event or crafts doings what so ever.
Col Halt showed up in a MG midget type car so fast from Bentwaters and everyone else was there at my post (east Gate) at about midnight in less than an hour. I say 30-40 minutes I had officers gathering around me.
Palmer took a back seat in this whole thing and did nothing to offer informaiton about the sighting we had. He dumped it all on me -an 18 year old kid that had been on basse all of about 4 month.
He then became AFOSI. withing a week or so after the event.
So enough with the bullshit about it being anything likea light house or a hang glider.
Time travelers. Ok fine maybe I have no clue about this issue other than I have heard it said from years and years ago via larry that AB (Mayeb it was him) said something about time travers who came back to get DNA due to the future being so Farged up. No idea where this theory came from so early on or anything about it Just second hand info from Larry so take that for what it is worth.
If John said it came out in hypno from both of them then there might be something to it.
But what I saw..... no way was it a current (1980 era) USAF craft, No way in hell and I will go to my grave stating so. I am an Airforce brat and I have been around the USAF all my life. I have a father with a Security clearance thats the highest an NCO can get from his time working with Military intellegance in WWII chasing Nazis.
He and I have talked in GREAT length about this and he tells me there is no craft that can do that (At the time) so I got to believe this as he would be in the know - he knew about the development of the SR-71 for instance) also his commander had a husband that was THE cheif of military inteligence for the US Army in the pentagon and I know my father (Concerned for his son) talked to this guy in private as well.
My father came back with no answers to give me as to what I might have seen. so I think a colaberated effort betwen USAF and ET is quite unlikely as is a super secret USAF craft. I think we would have seen it come out by now, don't ya think?
smoke and mirrors? bait and switch tactics to hide another secert project/event? Ok maybe but that would involve people other than the ones that showed up to my sighting because these officers were down right giddy over the prospet of seeing an ET craft.
I work as a proffesional actor here in China (did a few movies, a TV series, a documentary, and a few commercials to date) I know good acting when I see it.
If these officers, wife and kid were acting this way to throw someone off the trail of the truth I will hand them all an oscar personally.
John set up the date time etc for everyone getting together and going over this and I will fly (Coach not gulf stream) to the event and offer what littele help I can in hopes that the big picture can be seen.
Has anyone ever tracked down Airman Mark Thompson who was also kicked out about the same time I was? he was invovled with Larry and the light alls and gas pump not working correctly. He and I talked one single time on base about it then he shut up and never said another thing about it.
His mother and he were from Santa Cruz California and she was in real estate back then. His brther was in a poular band called RAT. Thats all I got on him other than the fact when we wre talking about it he gazed off in to the 1000 yard stare and seemed dis associated with me for a bit until he snapped out of it. I think PTSD or something was kickiing. he was clearly disturbed.
So in conclusion to my RANT
If all these highly trained and experianced people were so tricked and fooled then the USAF is the worst military unit in the word for having such idiots guarding ther nukes. Either that or there is a HUGE HUGE inter/sub government invovled in ET doings that is so secret and so competent that NO info at all has gotten out.. government.. competent....Think about it
Well if nothing else we got a good debate going here adn I think this is exactly what this case needs.
Debate, witness accounts all in one place at one time telling the total truth.
Halt should be there but he has told me he will not go to a reunion.
So go figure. I guess some people want to do their own thing like make movies and make money and others just want to know the truth.
I fly coach when I can afford a ticket John... yeah lear jet.. ok let me go tell chad to warm up the Gulfstream..... ha I wish!
John I got your number and will call you when I am in the USA in a week or so so we can talk in private and at great length.
I know observer is playing devils advocate and that is his job.
However, I get totally pissed off when someone who was not there, or anyone for that matter, tries to tell me what I saw come in - hover over my head - then take off and go back in the night sky and blend in with the stars is either
A) Swamp gas
B) A light house (Do light houses uproot and hover over head?)
c) A hang glider (Again with the hand time over head)
D) Big Foots mother ship
E) 67th PJs playing a trick on me. (Unless they can fly, hover and go inter stellar in what ever hang glider craft they supposedly used.. uh...no I don't think so)
I wil say this one more time
1) I saw a vehicle of some sort - It came in on its own power - it hovered over my head - It made no noise - It then took off into the night sky and went up up up until I could not discern it from a star.
2) The brass that came out were very excited, brought family with 35MM nikon camera in hand and went out to the forest hopng to get a picture or see an ET craft. It was said right in front of me.
I am not lying about this and I think this in EVERY WAY connects my incident with the "BIG SHOW" of december 1980 as it validates that high ranking USAF officers knew of this earlier event and they theselves believe in deed it was ET in nature or why else the big fan fare and cameras on my sighting night?
I also think they had no clue what exactly it was. They did not act like they had any control of the event or crafts doings what so ever.
Col Halt showed up in a MG midget type car so fast from Bentwaters and everyone else was there at my post (east Gate) at about midnight in less than an hour. I say 30-40 minutes I had officers gathering around me.
Palmer took a back seat in this whole thing and did nothing to offer informaiton about the sighting we had. He dumped it all on me -an 18 year old kid that had been on basse all of about 4 month.
He then became AFOSI. withing a week or so after the event.
So enough with the bullshit about it being anything likea light house or a hang glider.
Time travelers. Ok fine maybe I have no clue about this issue other than I have heard it said from years and years ago via larry that AB (Mayeb it was him) said something about time travers who came back to get DNA due to the future being so Farged up. No idea where this theory came from so early on or anything about it Just second hand info from Larry so take that for what it is worth.
If John said it came out in hypno from both of them then there might be something to it.
But what I saw..... no way was it a current (1980 era) USAF craft, No way in hell and I will go to my grave stating so. I am an Airforce brat and I have been around the USAF all my life. I have a father with a Security clearance thats the highest an NCO can get from his time working with Military intellegance in WWII chasing Nazis.
He and I have talked in GREAT length about this and he tells me there is no craft that can do that (At the time) so I got to believe this as he would be in the know - he knew about the development of the SR-71 for instance) also his commander had a husband that was THE cheif of military inteligence for the US Army in the pentagon and I know my father (Concerned for his son) talked to this guy in private as well.
My father came back with no answers to give me as to what I might have seen. so I think a colaberated effort betwen USAF and ET is quite unlikely as is a super secret USAF craft. I think we would have seen it come out by now, don't ya think?
smoke and mirrors? bait and switch tactics to hide another secert project/event? Ok maybe but that would involve people other than the ones that showed up to my sighting because these officers were down right giddy over the prospet of seeing an ET craft.
I work as a proffesional actor here in China (did a few movies, a TV series, a documentary, and a few commercials to date) I know good acting when I see it.
If these officers, wife and kid were acting this way to throw someone off the trail of the truth I will hand them all an oscar personally.
John set up the date time etc for everyone getting together and going over this and I will fly (Coach not gulf stream) to the event and offer what littele help I can in hopes that the big picture can be seen.
Has anyone ever tracked down Airman Mark Thompson who was also kicked out about the same time I was? he was invovled with Larry and the light alls and gas pump not working correctly. He and I talked one single time on base about it then he shut up and never said another thing about it.
His mother and he were from Santa Cruz California and she was in real estate back then. His brther was in a poular band called RAT. Thats all I got on him other than the fact when we wre talking about it he gazed off in to the 1000 yard stare and seemed dis associated with me for a bit until he snapped out of it. I think PTSD or something was kickiing. he was clearly disturbed.
So in conclusion to my RANT
If all these highly trained and experianced people were so tricked and fooled then the USAF is the worst military unit in the word for having such idiots guarding ther nukes. Either that or there is a HUGE HUGE inter/sub government invovled in ET doings that is so secret and so competent that NO info at all has gotten out.. government.. competent....Think about it
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Re: Close Encounters Of The Third Kind
by John Burroughs » Sat Nov 28, 2009 4:39 pm
Puddle
it was the wing history for the 81st Tac fighter wing! The whole month was missing! The A-10
it was the wing history for the 81st Tac fighter wing! The whole month was missing! The A-10
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Re: Close Encounters Of The Third Kind
by puddlepirate » Sat Nov 28, 2009 5:26 pm
it was the wing history for the 81st Tac fighter wing! The whole month was missing! The A-10
Many thanks JB....
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Re: Close Encounters Of The Third Kind
by John Burroughs » Sat Nov 28, 2009 8:09 pm
Your welcome! Has anybody taken a look at the latest earth files report on the incident in Pennsylvania? What do you think if its true?
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Re: Close Encounters Of The Third Kind
by John Burroughs » Sat Nov 28, 2009 9:07 pm
If those pictures are real what do we have that could make that happen?
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