BBC Radio Suffolk promises "new evidence"

[Frank]

I think you just have to compare this:



to this:




and then decide for yourself..

[John Burroughs]

Beautiful guys but the problem is that what I drew was right in front of me twice not off the coast as your trying to say!And it was near the ground not up in the sky! After we had our encounter we then moved foreword and saw a beckon on the coast and Id it as the lighthouse not what we had just encountered that's in my statement which Ian has used to try and mislead people! Armold showed up after we had came back in not while it was happening! I had been there for over a year and a half and had been posted on that gate numerous times at night and had never seen anything like that before! Show up on the 28th and lets see how things play out! There nothing like going back to where it happened at night with the people involved!! And another interesting note the trees had been cleared in 1983 so that was a totally different view than we had! Ive been told the forest is close to the way it was in 1980 so again less see on the 28th of December! Ian why don't you tell the people your feelings on spook lights! I believe there was a article about them written by your good friend Dave Clarke! And then there the fact the Mod looked into them and have admitted they do occur! Not saying that's what it was but if you look into them there's things other people have reported seeing them do that fit into what we reported and what little that's know about them Em does come into play! So Ian what about spook lights and remember I have your original statement on them!

[Frank]

if you look into them there's things other people have reported seeing them do that fit into what we reported and what little that's know about them Em does come into play!

EM ?! What about Jim photographing, sketching, touching, and pacing off a rock solid craft ? How does that fit in ?!

[John Burroughs]

Frank
Before I answer that are you aware of what kinda of effects EM can cause! Also are you aware of when Jim says he remembers that part coming out?

[ncf1]

Yep I heard its extremely common for officers to get threatened with their lives, brainwashed and injected with sodium pentathol due to lighthouse sightings. Also this lighthouse apparently terrifies animals, turns light-alls off just because it feels like it, can create strong static-like impressions on the air, heithens radiation levels just for fun, confuses people with indentations that just so happen to be remarkably accuracte in form, its just mindblowing what this lighthouse can accomplish.

Tell me Ian - why isnt this lighthouse at the very least running for office? It seems damn talented if you ask me! Could even make presidency one day perhaps!

[John Burroughs]

Ncf1 be careful you will be told by Ian and others your out of control! Were going to make a T-Shirt with the flying lighthouse on it and donate the profits to charity! The fact is there are people out there like Ian who will always want there few minutes of fame! Ian whole life and a good part of his web site has been directed at us for the past 25 years or more. He posted pictures and said that what we saw the lighthouse from the east gate even know the pictures he had taken of the light house were after the Forrest had been cut down in 1983. The night the incident happened we were on duty doing are job! We had a incident happened and reported what happened. A few years later Larry Warren Halts memo and tape came out and our lives changed again forever! The first time was after the incident and having to put up with not knowing what happened to us. The second time was with people like Ian who want to pick apart anything we have to say. Well Jim and I are willing to fly halfway around the world and show up at the east gate on the 28th of December and talk to anybody about what happened to us. Let anybody who wants to show up judge for themselves if it was the light house or not. Were willing to show up but Ridpath is not what does that say. And in Ridpath style he is even taking pot shots at that! We will also record what happens and post it afterwords for those who can't make. I hope to see as many people who can show up that night we have nothing to hide and would enjoy talking to you.

[John Burroughs]

Ian
If we get this T-Shirt out will you sign some for us?

[puddlepirate]

I just cannot understand this lighthouse thing.... it is 5.5 miles away from the edge of the farmer's field. The light is just 28m above sea level (note - sea level not ground level, which means it is less than 28m above the ground). It is a sector light with the red and green sectors below the white light. The sector lights are only visible from seaward. There is high ground between the farmer's field and the light. Further still the back of the lamproom is shielded to landward. I have visited the farmer's field many times, have stood at exactly the spot Ian says he stood and from there have scanned the horizon with binoculars, taken photographs with telephoto lenses but have never, ever seen the lighthouse. Even when standing on the quay at Orford the light is a tiny white speck just a few degrees off the horizon. It does not illuminate anything to landward with a 'sweeping beam of light'. When I first saw it from Orford quay I was astonished at just how small the light was. It was so small in fact, that despite it clearly flashing once evey five seconds, I asked a local fisherman if what I was looking at was indeed the Orfordness light. He confirmed that it was. The original lamps are hanging above the bar of the Jolly Sailor pub on Orford High Street if anyone is interested. You could probably replicate the appearance of the light as viewed from Orford quay by taking a small pencil type torch, laying on the ground approximately 75ft to 100ft from an observer then flashing the torch once every five seconds.

As far as I can tell, the only place where it might be possible to see the light would be from the eastern edge of Oak Wood because from there the grounds slopes away to the coast in direct line of sight to Orford Ness, the only problem is (I'll have to check to be sure) that the line of sight crosses Havergate Island, some distance south of the lighthouse.

It would be impossible to see the lighthouse from east gate even if there were no trees between the gate and the field. Plus the light has been there since 1740 ish and the USAF were at the twin bases since WW2 so they MUST have known of the existence of the light. The pilots would have known of it even if nobody else did....it was not something that suddenly appeared overnight for goodness sake!

I'm looking forward to the 28th and to see what transpires - and especially to see if I am wrong about the light.

[stephan]

here's a scene of the lighthouse light taken from Ian's vid contrasted with a particular part of the Halt tape:

[Frank]

Frank
Before I answer that are you aware of what kinda of effects EM can cause!

Yes. And they cannot create a solid craft.

Also are you aware of when Jim says he remembers that part coming out?

No, are you? I’m just curious why you keep throwing in theories that do not fit Jim’s encounter, only yours.

[ncf1]

Halt, and indeed the myriad trained men who were out there, would had to have been utterly inebriated, or indeed of such immense stupidity to mistake what they saw for the lighthouse that to dwell on it simply does nothing but stroke the ego of the lighthouse theory perpetrator and nothing more.

I want a signed T-shirt and I wont be happy till I get one.

I will also be voting for the Lighthouse come this next election. The wrong man/thing is in power.

[John Burroughs]

Golly gee Frank I believe its Jim place to talk about that which he will on the 28th. Have you or Stephen ever been out to the Forrest? Nice close up of the beacon its to bad we were not that close! Puddle I would love to throw down a few at that pub! Thanks its nice to see your willing to come out and give us a chance even know we have had our differences! Its also interesting you have taken the time to go out and look at the light house theory! I'm sure Ian didn't count on that happening!

[stephan]

John, I'd very much like to go out to the forest. I like forests anyway and if I can somehow manage to come to Britain on Dec. 28th I'll definitely do so.

As for the video it's zoomed in as if you look through binoculars. I have no idea if the lighthouse light was visible back in 1980 from the location Halt was in and if there were obstacles in the line of sight.

[John Burroughs]

Stephen As you can see you have someone who lives over there and has gone out in the Forrest and says things don' add up! Ever wonder why Ridpath won't show up!

[puddlepirate]

Hi John

The Jolly Sailor is a great pub. Does good pub food too.... and they offer accommodation, although I've never stayed there. If the accommodation is as good as the food, then it must be excellent. Good parking right opposite the pub too.

Not only did I go to Orford but took the short ferry ride across to the ness itself and walked right up to the light, then to the other once secret buildings where they used to test parts of atomic weapons.

I've been researching the RFI for many years. I have spent hours and hours submitting FoI requests, searching various archives including the National Archive at Kew, various newspaper archives and local records offices, talking to prison officers, ex RAF and ex Army personnel, colleagues from my service days, reading just about every book ever published on the event - Skycrash, You Can't Tell the People, Open Skies Closed Minds, Above Top Secret, Orfordness (Secret Site) etc etc and even the history of MI5 and MI6, websites on topics such as HARP, Cobra Mist, EM, weapons systems, aircraft, covert ops, black projects, political situation, US support for Iraq and Saddam H; I've visited and taken photographs at east gate, the farmer's field, Orfordness, Bentwaters, Bawdsey, Woodbridge and Hollesley Bay; I've climbed the watchtower overlooking Bentwaters WSA, have toured the WSA and the Bentwaters airfield, have checked out stuff around the airfield, have been in the Bentwaters control tower and the Cold War Museum,visited Duxford to look at the F111 escape module... in fact, just about anything I can think of that would give me the background info I need to understand the area (albeit as it was from circa 2003 because I can't go back in time...) and what might have happened. That's why I'm keen to meet you guys up there on the 28th. Meeting yourself and JIm at Woodbridge will be enormously helpful.

[stephan]

John, it was my opinion from the beginning that the gathering is a very good idea. Everyone who has ever shown big interest (be it in a critical or uncritical way) in the case should try and manage to come. So this would include Ian. If he's fair to you and vice versa that should be perfect. Laying aside differences may be difficult for both of you but it would be very helpful - at least on that day

Will C. Halt also turn up ?

[John Burroughs]

Stephen I'm not sure about his plans in December but anybody who lives in the area should go out to the Forrest this Friday or Saturday rumor has it he will be in the Forrest those 2 days with Nick Pope doing some filming! And I would not hold my breath on Ian because his theory will crash and burn on the 28th of December! We may never know for sure what happened but the light house will make its last flight that night, last call for the SS Ridpath!Puddle I'm looking foreword to our visit and I doubt there many people out there who have looked at the incident in that much detail!Ncf1 I will do my best to get the T-Shirts made!

[puddlepirate]

Perhaps I should point out that my only interest in the RFI is as a researcher keen to establish what happened in a part of the country close to where I live. I'm not at all interested in 15 mins of fame, name in lights, hordes of adoring fans etc etc... nor am I interested in 'I told you so...' type gloating. I'd just like to find out what really did happen in Rendlesham Forest in Dec 1980.

This Friday or Saturday? I can make that. Has it been confirmed?

[John Burroughs]

Yes he will be there I know he will be down in the area on Friday and I'm sure they will be out there for more than one day! Not sure if there doing night shots or not! The reason I know this is I was asked to be involved and was unable to come over!

[stephan]

Stephen I'm not sure about his plans in December but anybody who lives in the area should go out to the Forrest this Friday or Saturday rumor has it he will be in the Forrest those 2 days with Nick Pope doing some filming!

sounds very interesting. Unfortunately I'm not living in the area but perhaps their findings or films will be made public in one way or another. Puddle, I envy you for living there, you can go there as often as you like to ...