Larry Warren Interview on "Now That's Weird"

[Dave100]

Hi Larry,Nice to read your comments on here and that of the other witnesses,I'm sure the debate will continue.Ive enjoyed most of the books on the case,the stand out ones being Left at East Gate because its by someone who was actually there and Georgina's book because it is very wide in its scope and depth.She's sorely missed.
I was recently down in Rendlesham forest and paid another visit to The Cherry Tree,I have seen strange phenomenon myself on two occasions over the forest over the last ten years but this time we were treated by another flying object in the shape of a mk9 Spitfire flying low over the pub and later the forest.
I think it is highly likely that the film of the event at Capel Green was flown off somewhere and sits on a dusty shelf......
Hope to catch up with you sometime Larry,haven't seen you since St Annes,hope all is well.
its great that we have witnesses contributing to such an important case.
Dave

[Observer]

Dave,
I think the Spitfire you saw was the 2 seat one owned and flown by a woman [forget her name] who bases it in one of the old hangers at Bentwaters.
Obs

[Wolf]

The ladies name is Carolyn Grace

See http://www.ml407.co.uk/pages/main.html for more about her.

V/R

Wolf

[Observer]

Thanks Wolf
I saw a Doc on her and the Spit some time ago and have forgotten most of it. I do know she had some issues with the IWM at Duxford so she now bases it at BW which apparently is nearer home any way.
Obs

[Dave100]

I know its off topic but the Spit I saw looked a single seater,I didn't know Carolyn Grace had moved her Spitfire to Bentwaters(thanks for the info),Ive seen it fly loads of times at Duxford,she's a great pilot!(and nice looking) I have a video documentary of her called "Going Solo" I think,its quite moving,she lost her husband(Nick) of course to a tragic road accident who had rebuilt this spit in the mid 80's.
It probably was hers now that i think as it flew towards Bentwaters,we heard it throttle up(sounded fantastic) as if to do a low pass over the airfield,I cant have noticed the rear canopy!
Thanks again for info.
Dave.

[Observer]

Dave
It could have been another Spit, single seater, but i assumed it was her 2 seater because it was so close to where she bases it.
Dave, we would be interested in your views on the RFI?
Obs

[Dave100]

I think my views are probably similar to quite a few people who have studied the incidents and eliminated some of the more mundane counter explainations when applying logic,I base my views on researching the incidents for some 14 years and talking to quite a few local people in the area which I have been visiting for over ten years.I certainly eliminated the lighthouse many years ago,yes it an be seen from certain points in the forest but how experienced airman could mistake this landmark six miles away for a very strange phenomenon over three nights stretches things a bit and they knew where it was anyway before the incidents.
Iv'e also discounted burning up sattelites,metorite showers etc due to the length of time the witnesses viewed the phenomenon over the three nights.
This leaves for me a highly advanced,intelligently controlled phenomenon from God knows where.Given that the craft seen were virtually silent and were capable of very high speeds and could somehow seperate into individual craft from one object tells me these things were from somewhere else and didn't have "made on earth" written on them!
A military prototype? definetley not,why would they test something during a period of high tension where they could also be seen by the public(and they were of course)As Jim Penniston said these things were silent and we couldn't replicate the technology back then,maybe not now either.
The laser type beams from the craft coming down to the ground are fascinating to me,especially into the weapons storage area and must of been of great defence concern and indeed panic to the USAF and the MOD.
I believe Colonel Halt said some of the weapons were "adversely affected" by these beams,if so then for me this means we are dealing with possibly an E.T. presence during these events because this would surely take an incredible technology to do this,way beyond our capability.
The other possibility to me is that these things were time travellers as far fetched as that might sound.Its just a little theory of mine that maybe there was an unstable nuclear device and that way off in the future,we/they came back and nutrealised said devices,I don't know,just an idea.
I remember talking to Brenda Butler who said some guy had rung up a radio call in who had worked at Orfordness,he said that due to the many wierd experiments done there,over the horizon radar etc,that a portal had been opened(other dimension?) where these things flew in and out from and they couldn't close it,interesting theory I thought.
Given that some witnesses saw lifeforms which don't appear to be human to say the very least then we have an amazing mix of phenomenon that defies rational explaination.
Quite a few local folk have seen wierd airbourne craft to.Apparently one guy who was young at the time of the incidents remembers flares being set off outside their house and told not to leave their home during the incident,sounds almost like house arrest to me!
This case is massive and there is much more to come out I'm sure.Its great that we have first hand military witnesses contibuting to the forum,their input is crucial to understanding the background of the incidents and the affect it had on them.
Thanks for asking my thoughts observer.
P.S. Carolyn Grace nosed over her Spitfire last Saturday and damaged the prop,she hit some soft grass at Old warden airfield whilst taxying, so very slow speed thankfully,she's fine though thank God,

[puddlepirate]

Hi Dave

Thanks for that. This is an enormously interesting take on the RFI. Am I correct in my understanding that your suggestion is that ET landed in Rendlesham Forest...either through some type of advanced aero technology or a peculiar time warp phenomenom that we don't fully understand? My only question is how do you evidence this? Any evidence that this technology exists would be useful - not a PhD thesis but something of substance would be good. We desparately need evidence based theories to initiate intelligent debate.

[Observer]

Jenny Randles proposed this theory or similar in her book Skycrash.
Puddlepirate is right, we need evidence to enable investigations to go forward.

Trouble is with these types of theories, once you mention them and look enthusiastic about them, people distance themselves from you as you are seen as a crank or one the the little green men brigade.

I don't think we will be able to get any evidence to support this theory other than what those airmen told us. That evidence came and went, and it left very little if any residual evidence which is what we need.
The theory that a portal opened up allowing visitation from another dimension or time travellers if you like is no more rediculous than saying a bunch of Russians sailors came ashore to play a practical joke on the USAF for Christmas. The latter may have more evidence, but would be just as hard to find as the former.

This theory does deserve a place on the forum but it does not deserve ridicule which i suspect will happen.
This area of explanation is not some thing i know much about, its uncharted territory for me as i suspect for many others, thus all i'm left to work with is a vivid imagination.
Obs

[Pluton]

Sadly any advanced scientific theories of this type does get the person suggesting them into problems. That is why it will be hard, in my opinion, to get it into the debate, certainly from a scientist who knows the scientific 'PhD' stuff of such things!

As well as Jenny Randles looking into it in her book, so did astrophysicist Andrew Pike, and he got so much of the nasty stuff flung at him he now has nothing to do with Rendlesham. His book and articles really got heavily into time travel, time warps, portals radar technology (which was actually developed by astronomers into Radio Astronomy after the war) and all that type of stuff seeing as it is his area and he has done a lot of work in UFO research also.

Now you might think that is a good combination and well worth listening to. It seemed not. Until a little more of a welcome comes their way, I suspect those who really know about these complex ideas (the scientists) will always give UFOs a miss.

Sad really, but there you go!

[Observer]

Resorting to my 'imagination' for a moment, one would think that an alien craft from another dimension millions of years ahead of us would not crash land. That kind of scenario would have been written out of there engineering centuries ealier. Come on, they didn't stop over little earth for a spare fan belt.

Jenny Randles suggested that this could have been a visitation due to a portal that had opened up by all the electronic experiments being carried out locally. She now says "I no longer believe anything of significance happened at Rendlesham". She changed her mind but has never really given a convincing reason why.

Main stream science, well to my knowledge are not working on portals, time travellers, other dimensions etc because they don't have any thing to go on just like we don't. Unless Prof Steven Hawkin knows more than he's letting on.

This subject will always remain on the fringes of science but usually only talked about by pretend scientists.

We are a 'nuts & bolts' race and need things we can see, smell, hold, measure and weigh to form opinions and conclusions. it is on this basis that the RFI investigation should be carried out as that is all we have.

I have always thought that the RFI is a far more simple incident than a lot of us including me have suggested. You see, it's far more exciting to come up with some bit of skulduggery, secret airplane, cold war espionage, crime, politics and military goings on etc than some thing mundane. I think we should all start looking at more simple explanations because i believe that is where the answer lies. I have an open enough mind to accept if proved a complicated scenario so no stone unturned as they say.
Obs

[puddlepirate]

Everyone is entitled to their view. Personally I don't subscribe to the idea that it was alien technology but that does not mean that I won't listen to someone who thinks it was - or at least, thinks it might have been.

The reason I don't believe it was alien is that if it were, then whoever was driving would be smart enough not to land in the trees but instead would have chosen somewhere less challenging to land, Salisbury plain perhaps or Dartmoor or the Yorkshire moors. Or even the Whitehouse lawn. Also, I would have thought that any aliens intending to land on Earth would have carried out a recce and an analysis of the atmosphere and the environment before they arrived. After all, even the average tourist tends to read the brochure before booking a holiday.

I suppose it is possible that the craft suffered a problem with its control systems but even so, I prefer to stick with technology that we know, especially when what happened in Dec 80 appears to have been part reality and part diversion.

Given that in 2008 the smart talk is of bending space and creating 'wormholes' etc., whilst back in 1582 most people thought the world was flat, then it must be reasonable to assume that in 500 years time our own civilisaton will have advanced its knowledge way beyond what we know now. However, I'd rather not go down that route but instead leave such debate for the astro-physicists. nuclear scientists and others involved with pushing the envelope of our understanding.

Of course, if someone comes up with irrefutable evidence that beings from our own future are able to travel back in time and provided that evidence will stand strict examination by the great and good, then that's a different story.

[larry warren]

hi all,
have read with interest all the safe viewpoints and theories about RFI
nothing crashed in the forrest, the tech of the craft was far beyond ours, then and now.
and as a chef master sgt that wittnessed the events once said,Someone els was there!
please dont suggust the landing on the white house lawn senario these things most likly
dont recognise our seats of power any way,as for science and scientific profesionels, these people
dont tend to persue truth, they chase funding! my hat goes off to all that have stood up for this
very uncomfortable truth, that ufos are real, and it was ufos under inteligent control in ,around and above
rendlesham forrest in december 1980, and nothing else.

[Observer]

Larry
Thank's for being honest and standing up for all you guys that were there.
The big difference is you and all the other witnesses were there, you saw with your own eyes, you felt the presence, you heard the humming, you witnessed the movements, you saw all the different coloured lights and many of you experienced health problems later.
We did not experience any of this because we were not there. I'm sure that some of us if we had been there would be thinking differently.
Some times it can be a fine line between believing that it was an alien craft to a man made incident and perhaps applying our earthly upbringing and what we know scientifically is the wrong approach.
Larry, if it was as you say something else not of this earth, then i cannot see us ever getting to the bottom of it because we haven't got one single piece of hard evidence to say it was and i doubt we ever will. Having said that, the witness statements including your book is what i call visual evidence and that should not be ignored.

Obs

[puddlepirate]

Now I'm really confused...Larry, you were there and now you are saying nothing crashed in the forest. If nothing crashed in the forest then why were you stood down from your guard post (only activated during an alert) to join the squad heading for the forest, what on earth were Lt Col Halt and his men up to and what did Penniston see? What was the road block all about, what did the distressed airman witness and what did Lt Englund and his men need the lightalls for?

[AdrianF]

Puddlepirate,

The idea of a crash has spread from the early days of the investigations. The titles of "Skycrash" and "UFO Crash Landing" imply a crash of some sort, even if the books didn't draw that conclusion. That and the fact that Rendlesham has been grouped with Roswell , Kecksburg etc. in UFO crash folklore has probably added to this idea.

I don't think any of the witness statements have ever suggested that anything crashed, other than the first night being initially investigated as a possible downed aircraft. This was quickly ruled out in the original witness statements.

Cheers

Adrian

[Observer]

Hi all
It has been well established by most of us that whatever came down in the forest was a controlled descent at low speed. Or if not controlled still of low speed. I define low speed as the rate of descent a parachute has. Just delete the word crash as it was not. If the subject of a crash arises again i don't think it's worth responding to.
Obs

[larry warren]

Hi Guys,
i got some questions i see! cool,
if i answer from a few posts at once please forgive me but i hope it helps.
I was taken off P 18 on that night i feel because extra personel were needed, i was one of two people in the ditch
that night as i was in the ojt phase still, i had full prp but new fish man alot of difrent posts and ride shotgun with LE
that night the post was deactivated and the other sp was sent to another location, the rest i wrote about in the book.
why this was i like you can only guess?
as for a crash, that was a jenny randle invention,i feel that on the first night we had a landing, on the second overflights
onthe third two landings, one in the forrest, but unrelated to the first night landing site, and in fact not even close to
the JB, JP, and EC site.then the over flights and landing or apperiance of craft on caple green the later is what i saw
as did others.Halt was investigating a landing from that same night not the first ni+ght, that investigation was done in
the daylight two days before.durring that investigation the objrcts came back, thus what i saw.
What did jim pennistion see? damned if i know,but he is a great wittiness and is telling the truth as he knows it.
only jim can tell you his thoughts, he john and ed , i feel went through a hell of olot more than they have said so far
but who wants to go there when all people do is kick your face in for telling the rest of the story, smart guys!.
the road block was just that a road block, likly to keep the curious away, it was informal but was a road block just the same.
the distressed airman had a name, he had experianced somthing, perhaps what had left Halts site shortly before?
bob ball helped
him out, and has confirmed the same,i know that i was in the same condition soon after.
Englund needed light alls as other s had failed in the woods,we brought out new ones from bentwaters.
remember Halt was in the middle of a new investigation at the time and the forrest was dark also .
as for the curt brubaker thing, me and john got flown to LA in aug 1988, itwas for a show to be called ufo coverup live
and hosted by a guy from MASH, I met john, and found him to be a streight shooter, but guarded, and i couldent blaim
him. i thought brubaker was a snake, and so was the asshole producer of the show mike suligman, the prick
went on to produce the academy awards but i thought he was just another Hollywood sleeze murchant
i think John felt the same, brubaker tryed to tape me and other james bond shit and i knew it, SLEEZE BAG!
any how john never got in my face at all we , i thought we had a pretty good talk behined curts house
he did have a problem with air man greg on the cnn thing and thought i ment the blue lights where the little guys
on that idident agree, i saw john out there he dident see me big deal i later had john shair the stage with me in
phonix az, he got right in the audeiance face , and that rocked, this was in 91 or 92.
one night the moody blues were going to come to the hotel after a show, i told john, but only pat moraz
the key board player turned up,jb brought his girl, so that propibly pissed him off, ijamed with pat anyway.
Look at the end of the day,i went through somthing, the spooks would never pull some cat off the street
an screw with him if he haddent been involved, Halt knows the facts of that matter and as he said to
me , your not alone! this thing is bigger than any one involved knows, i wish all the brave wittinesses
the very best and will continue to stand up for them as long as i have smoke in my lungs!.
remindes me , i have to go get some ciggies!
large brested ladies to you all.
uncle larry

[larry warren]

silver,
thanks bro, Free has always been the way with our book, rip off city!
from agents to the publishers and allthat goes with it, SCUM!
i tell people if you find our book STEAL IT!
cause our publisher on the first edit, sure riped us off, Pigs one one and all.
to any wittiness thinking of doing a book, SELF PUBLISH it, and keep your
money in your pockets, our new publisher is a nice dutch fella, but i havent seen roylitys
in years!
be warned, were in it for the money? MY ARSE! we are in it for the woman.

[larry warren]

hi ho silver!
thanks those corespondants are from after the first edition 10 years ago,
as for that edit of east gate there is enough backup in that alone that i would win in court,
if such things were decided in court!
sadly people get tweeked by intense folks like myself and go on to write shit about such folks,
seen it all for years! randles and that early crew are an example, did you know that bunch sold the
Halt memo to NOW, for around 25000, and thats is in 1983 pounds my dears, it came out only because of
my info in an FOIA and we sent it to them to help in there search for the truth!
a later example is Brunis book, and i dont give a shit who likes it or not, an agenda was at hand. just read my book
then read the other one compair and see what she left out . twisted, or spun from whole cloth, sorry she died,
but the book in relation to me was shit!
silver i feel that if you do read my book it will be clear ididdent make it up.
remember, the first person i told about the rfi was my mother, and one must never lie to ones mother!
Read the book its far from perfect, but it was my story to that point, find another that is as brutaly honest as
East Gate, you wont! but i never wrote it for the ufo people, our biggest audeience was out side this stuff
the uninsheated have always been my target audeince, A times b estseller in its day, colledge kids did
papers on it shit like that and for that iam proud.
thanks again, but i have nothing to defend, read the book and take the trip, it will keep you up at night,
or you will hate it but read it just the same and piss off the forces that dont want you too.!