WEAPON CODES

[Observer]

Hi all

If we can put asside our UFO as the culprit mode for the moment and consider another factor not talked about much.
If as Halt has said, he thinks the beams coming down over the WSA altered or disabled the NW codes, this then begs the question, who would have motive to do this?
I can only think of three.

1: The Russians
2: The CND
3: Some disaffected servicemen.

The 3rd one is highly unlikely
The 2nd one is possible
The 1st one is possible

We must now look at what technology could do this and how it was it deployed and in 1980?

The CND was not just marches that the media reported but behind the scenes were a lot of eminent scientists from all over the world who were very much against nuclear weapons no matter who had them.
Was this an attempt by them to disarm these weapons and they chose these bases because they were quiet and secluded and even more so at Christmas.

Or was it the Russians trying to even out the balances in the cold war?
Food for thought.

Obs

[AdrianF]

Good point Observer
Not sure how the CND would have had this kind of capability, technology wise. Perhaps a 4th could be the US testing there own defences?

Was this an attempt by them to disarm these weapons and they chose these bases because they were quiet and secluded and even more so at Christmas

If there is one time in the year that you can bet people won't be out and about it'll be 3 o'clock on a Boxing Day morning, hence I think so few local witnesses.

Adrian

[Observer]

Adrian

When i served in the Royal Observer Corps, a lot of our work was Nuclear weapons, their types, their yields, their delivery systems and some times their construction methods. This applied not only to UK/US weapons but the enemy as well.

We had an old saying in the Corps, if you want to find out about a particular NW ask CND.

Obs.

[Observer]

Adrian

Forgot to say, Many top scientists were active members of CND but not necessarily seen on their protest marches.

Yes it could be the US trying out its own technology.

JB is very keen on a theory that some thing near by meaning the ness had a part to play in this.
Most of us have researched the ness to death and cannot find any scientific work going on there after about the late 70's if not earlier.

Obs

[John Burroughs]

Not the ness the telecom site where the scientist worked on a top secreat project that died

[Observer]

John

I hear you, and we tried looking into that place but could not get any where. All the web sites on that place don't help and i know no one who worked there at the time.
Yes, its possible but we are at a brick wall on this, unless any body else has an idea of how to find their research projects of the day.
Any body got any ideas on the BT research lab at Martlesham Heath and their projects around 1980?

Obs

[John Burroughs]

I looked it back up. The scientist worked at the BT site for the Marconi company at Martlesham Heath...

[John Burroughs]

What about talking to anybody who lived in the area to see if they know anything?

[Observer]

John

I have tried that, but will keep looking for some body that lived in the area. I will also check out this scientist guy who died.
The BT lab is now a science park and helps in university graduate work and other TELECOMS technology, it is now semi commercial.

Obs

[AdrianF]

I know a couple of people who have worked at the BT site in Martlesham, but I've never heard any strange stories from them. Stories that come out that are unusual, are usually 3 or 4th hand at best - my aunties, best friends, brother once new someone who worked there etc...


I don't think this is a complete dead end, it just seems to draw a lot of blanks.

Adrian

[Observer]

Adrian

I guess you have seen the earlier threads on the BTRC at MH. It made interesting reading and Silvertop did a good line of sight map from the BTRC to Orfordness. I know JB has a feeling that some thing was going on but its pretty hard to find anything, even the spate of dead scientists that caused a stir at the time, but only one worked temorarily at BT.
If there was secret beam weapons or experiments being conducted in the UK, i doubt it would be BT, It would be another company.
I do know that it would have been shut down for the Christmas hoildays until the new year.

Obs

[Observer]

Adrian

A bit more, i asked a friend of mine who is a BT engineer and has been for 30 years. He said their research re mit was fibre optics, digital networking and satellite coms and he had never heard of anything clandestine or black going on there. He said the BT grape vine was well oiled and if some thing was going on they would have heard through the grape vine.

He also said that secret miltary work on electron weapons, lasers etc would be companies like GEC, Ferranti, DERA etc. not BT.

Obs

[John Burroughs]

Silvertop Welcome to my world. I do beleive the dead scientist was working on star wars which could tie into the beams of light comming down from the sky that is the star wars part.

[AdrianF]

A bit more, i asked a friend of mine who is a BT engineer and has been for 30 years. He said their research re mit was fibre optics, digital networking and satellite coms and he had never heard of anything clandestine or black going on there. He said the BT grape vine was well oiled and if some thing was going on they would have heard through the grape vine.

Observer
Yeah this is pretty much all I've ever really heard about the place that's reliable.

John
I found this pretty gruesome list of scientist deaths, not sure if this is what you are referring to.
http://www.fiu.edu/~mizrachs/sdi-deaths.html
They are saying 7 of these were Marconi scientists, no.4 on the list was Jonathan Walsh- assigned to Martlesham Heath

Adrian

[Observer]

Hi all

I read all the web sites about these 7 scientists who met their deaths.
There was a conspricy theory about their deaths at the time and no hard conclusions were ever drawn.
As for Star Wars, we all need to do some research into the various systems that were developed for the programme. I believe it got pulled because some aspects of the system were not working or were under developed plus Russian pressure.

Who's to say that Russia didn't have a similar system and it was them who tried it out one quiet Christmas on the twin bases.

There are two avenues of enquiry here, one, what was behind the deaths of 7 scientists all working in similar fields? Two, what systems did Star Wars deploy, bearing in mind it was cancelled before being fully developed.

Its all a bit science fiction, but worth a look.

Obs.

[puddlepirate]

For history on BT go to:

http://www.ringbell.co.uk/ukwmo/potele.htm

BT was Post Office Telephones until privatisation in 1985. It was responsible for the transmission of communications - including secure communications, not weapons or star wars. Circuits used by the Defence Communications Network (DCN) included kilostream (T1) and megastream (T2) - now known as Broadband - circuits. Point to point private wires, Packet Switching System (PSS) for data transmissions, voice circuits, fibre optic cabling and multiplexers and so forth. Exchange switching equipment was still very much Strowger mechanical switches although System X and System Y were being introduced in the mid to late 80's. Martlesham was where new communications technology was developed. This would have included microwave transmissions and possibly even laser but again these were comms orientated not ray guns and so forth.

I joined BT as an exchange engineer in the City of London in July 1987 and left in Dec 1994. There were a couple of bomb proof exchanges (see the link) and there was a Strowger exchange and old Type 14 teleprinters, TAA70's etc at Northwood in the 1980's which were looked after by GPO/BT engineers.

I doubt there is any mileage at all in pursuing the BT angle[/i]

[puddlepirate]

Sorry but I've no idea when they were installed. I visited Martlesham around 1997 but that wasn't when I was with BT, that was with my current employer. We were shown interactive TV and stuff like that. At that time BT had developed a telephone system that enabled a voice call and customer records held on a PC to be transferred simultaneously, i.e the PC controlled the telephone switch. They also had a system that enabled a camera affixed to a safety helmet to relay images back to a control. The purpose of this was to allow highly qualified structural engineers to remain in the office instead of going out on site. Inspections of, say, a bridge could be conducted remotely. An operative could wear the camera and the high resolution images would be sent back to the office to be viewed by the engineers. The only thing I would say is that in your image the line should be drawn at right angles to the dish, from the centre of the dish because they are usually direct line of sight - but I am not an expert in this so stand to be corrected.

BT develop communications systems and infrastructure, they do not control what is actually sent over those systems. Rather like a road - the builders of a road do not control the vehicles that use it.

[Observer]

I think we are wasting our time with BT as a player in this incident which was more or less established last time we looked at the subject.

Obs

[puddlepirate]

For what it's worth I would be surprised if any experiments related to exotic weapons would be conducted in Rendlesham forest. I am aware that the area - Orfordness and Bawdsey in particular - was known for secret stuff but most of that was contained in secure establishments.

It is the nature of the UK - mostly due to its relatively small size - that secret defence development work takes place almost everywhere. From aircraft to radars, from laser guidance systems to sophisticated comms kit. Aircraft have to fly, so they can be seen but the rest is kept under wraps for the most part.

The US is ultra secretive when it comes to defence projects so the liklihood of the US testing strange weapons outside of the US is highly unlikely.

Observer's mate was probably on the button when he said it was something so daft if he told anyone, they would laugh at it.

This is a little of topic so apologies for that but looking back over what is known - Cosmos re-entry, meteors, the lighthouse, an area known for odd lights (ref the 1978 and other incidents), the 'east end charlie' spectre, isolated guard positions, the films being shown in cinemas at that time, impressionable young airmen probably on their first foreign draft. All that suggests something fairly insignificant could have escalated into a major event. An event that gained some kind of self perpetuating momentum over time - but that leaves us with the conundrum as to what JB actually saw, i.e. back to square one.

That said, I think there were two distinct series of events - the first series were those that took place over the three nights and the second (totally irrelevant to the incidents being researched here) were those that occured after the C-5 arrived.

Just to add a bit more confusion - during a visit to Rendlesham forest circa August 2004, I happened across some black magic type symbols - things hanging from trees and pentagles created from sticks. They were in the large cleared area opposite to and across the road from, the Woodbridge landing lights. I've got some phots of them somewhere. If I can find them I'll post a couple of them....could it be - and this is a huge long shot - that such activities were taking place in Dec 1980? Apart from the obvious connection, Christmas is also related to a pagan festival and is celebrated in many ways, including (I believe) Wiccan type rituals.

[Observer]

Were the symbols that Penniston described on the pyramid shaped object in the forest 'Pagen' symbols? Which i might add would be very alien to those not familier with the 'cult'.

Can't quite see why a pagen ritual would require such a cover up unless of course the base commander was taking part. I said that with toungue in cheek, so don't jump on me unless of course you took part as well!!!

Obs