Some ideas about flying saucers

[Observer]

Hi all

Quite a few scientists have now put their reputation on the line by saying that the chances of other civilisations of greater or lesser intelegence than our own must exist in other galaxies. The Drake equasion!

Just supposing for one moment that there are some that are so far advanced (may be a million years more advanced, or any figure you care to come up with) that they have cracked the problem of time travel. They have probably found the 'worm' holes or found another dimension to travel in.

One eminant scientist has suggested that earth is not being visited by just one other civilisation, but many.
For some its a holiday destination where as for others its place to study just like we study parts of earth for fossils or rare animals.

Some visitors could be aware of our conflicts and the types of weapons
that are used by us. Some visitors may be observing us in the same way that we observe the wild men of Borneo or the Amazon indians.

Some may be concerned for the future of earth or of man.
For some it could be a place to be entertained.
There are probably many reasons why they come and visit but to quote professor Hawkin, If we do eventually make contact it may not be a very peaceful or enjoyable experience. Perhaps in the same way that white settlers treated the American Indian or the Australian Aboriginies.

The Setti institute now says its not if but when we make contact and i suspect it will be them making contact with us. Just how that will happen is an open question. Some say they have already made contact hence all the reports from around the world by contactees. Like most level headed scientists, i would need hard evidence before i hung the flag out.

All the above is me being hyperthetical but its a great dream.

Lastly, Amazon books cannot supply Jenny Randles 'Time Storms', can any body help me out?

Observer

[Guest]

Observer,

I agree with Admin ebay is probably your best bet for Time Storms. Its worth getting and certainly makes you think - its a riveting read.

In respect of time travel I find it hard to envisage going back in time or fast forwarding.

My opinion:

We are in a 3D world in forward motion and its been ticking over like this for 4. something billion years on earth except in the case of creationists.
At both ends of the scales - sub atomic and infinite size - it may be different and time or space may be irrelevant but at our level it is constant for life to exist.

There are theories that the world is one big laboratory or matrix set up by a higher authority, but where do you stop with this - Who or what made the higher authority.

Schooner

[Observer]

Hi Schooner

Thank's for the E Bay info on Time Storms.

The 3D and time theories that you pointed out are one of several explanations put forward by some scientists. The trouble is, where do you stop? I suspect man's fertive mind will always come up with these scenarios. One of which could be true but we don't have the science yet to prove it.

My Brother in law is a vicar who also has a degree from Cambridge Uni on theoretical physics. He pointed out during the many discussions we have had about this subject that man's mind is not developed enough to understand the universe. We are still looking at it as a 3D nuts and bolts thing and that may be where we are going wrong.

He is broad minded enough to aknowledge that science has a part to play within the Christian faith concerning the universe.

My own view is that the universe never ends because. there is no start and finishing point. In other words, if you started a journey from earth, you would eventually come back to it. There is no time put on this, but i suspect that travellers from more advanced intelegencies have found a way of cutting corners by getting from A to B re a short cut, perhaps a 4th dimension. It is the science behind this theory that we have not reached yet and i think it would be eons before we do.

Perhaps even time can be made stationary or even reversed as part of this short cut. If you can get hold of some of Professor Stephen Hawkin's papers on this subject, it may well explain it much better than i can!
My Brother in law has said that they are pretty hard going but there are some snippits of out standing wisdome that we can all understand.

If you think about this subject you may like me begin to see that we are not developed enough to see the bigger picture yet. May be one day a visitor will explain it to us.

Observer

[schooner]

Evening Observer,

May be but I guess that it will be in a 3D nuts and bolts environment unless of course artificial intelligence develops beyond the biological restrictions in human beings/ living organisms.

I have tried several Hawkins books and yes they look very good and no doubt are able to explain quantum physics excellently.

I do not buy into it because I cannot envisage these things happening in my world.

Humans have developed in this biosphere they will need to be a lot more robust to be able to survive some of the processes put forward by these physists.

A simple theory is that our minds are hard wired with the start and finish principal. As a result civilisation has been built on it. The concept of no start or finish does not make sense to the mind because all around is built on it whether it be natural occuring and man made, an earthquake starts and finishes; this reply has a start and finish; a car has a front and back; you start your holidays and finish them later. Thats the benefit that we humans have we relate to these surroundings. This consciousness is integral with space(the 3 dimensions and time moving forward).

Regards

Schooner

[Observer]

Hi Schooner

This whole subject is a wee bit heavy for me and we both seem to think on similar lines albiet with some differences of perspective.

Like i said i think the human brain is not developed enough to take on board some of these scenarios.

On a different subject, i recommend the book "The Humanoids"
Edited by Charles Bowen. It was first published in 1969 and i found my copy in a second hand book shop. It out lines nearly all reported alien contacts around the world with short description of each one.

The big story in the book is written by Gordon Creighton about the Antonio Villas Boas incident in Brazil. The book starts at around 1949 and ends about 1965. There are scores of interesting reports all dated and geographically placed.
It is interesting to note that contactees whether from Brazil, Europe or any where else seem to describe the alien craft in a similar shape/form and the inhabitants in the same way. Do we have a critical path here on description?

Regards

Observer

[Mitch]

Hi Schooner

Thank's for the E Bay info on Time Storms.

The 3D and time theories that you pointed out are one of several explanations put forward by some scientists. The trouble is, where do you stop? I suspect man's fertive mind will always come up with these scenarios. One of which could be true but we don't have the science yet to prove it.

My Brother in law is a vicar who also has a degree from Cambridge Uni on theoretical physics. He pointed out during the many discussions we have had about this subject that man's mind is not developed enough to understand the universe. We are still looking at it as a 3D nuts and bolts thing and that may be where we are going wrong.

He is broad minded enough to aknowledge that science has a part to play within the Christian faith concerning the universe.

My own view is that the universe never ends because. there is no start and finishing point. In other words, if you started a journey from earth, you would eventually come back to it. There is no time put on this, but i suspect that travellers from more advanced intelegencies have found a way of cutting corners by getting from A to B re a short cut, perhaps a 4th dimension. It is the science behind this theory that we have not reached yet and i think it would be eons before we do.

Perhaps even time can be made stationary or even reversed as part of this short cut. If you can get hold of some of Professor Stephen Hawkin's papers on this subject, it may well explain it much better than i can!
My Brother in law has said that they are pretty hard going but there are some snippits of out standing wisdome that we can all understand.

If you think about this subject you may like me begin to see that we are not developed enough to see the bigger picture yet. May be one day a visitor will explain it to us.

Observer

Couldn't agree more. Very good observance. I've always believed space and time together form a dimension we don't understand. Where does space go? It must go somewhere because that's our way of thinking. Man is so accustomed to boundaries and other limitations that it makes time travel an impossible concept. I too believe another civilization has cracked time travel by understanding dimensions. Not so much like the movie "Back to the Future" to recall history purposes, but to use dimension as a resource like fuel. We always talk of advanced civilizations. Who's to say there is less somewhere and we're advanced compared to them? I think of heaven or hell as places that use time travel to reach that dimension.

[Observer]

Hi Mitch

Thank's for your reply. Professor Stephen Hawkin is on record as saying that if there are other civilizations in the universe (and the chances are that there is) they are going to be at all different stages of advancement.
Some may well be behind us and many may be ahead of us?

I understand Mitch that you were in the USAF and based at Bentwaters?
I lived in the area from 1957 to 1962 when i moved to London . I visited the area (Woodbridge) at least once a month to see my parents right up to the 90's. I had several US airmen friends and often had bar-b-q's at their on base married quarters.

Down to a more earthly subject, One conspiricy theory is that the Rendlesham forest UFO was a 'time' traveller that had a 'breakdown' and it was a kind of crash landing that was witnessed. The reason it was around for several nights was because they were repairing it!!!

Jenny Randles says in one of her books that the whole area is a UFO hot spot and she puts it down to the Cobra Mist radar instellation that was on Orfordness island from the 70's to the 80's. She claims that Cobra Mist over the horizon radar had possibly altered a dimension locally thus enabling travellers to visit.

That's all for now

Regards

Observer

[Mitch]

Hi Mitch

Thank's for your reply. Professor Stephen Hawkin is on record as saying that if there are other civilizations in the universe (and the chances are that there is) they are going to be at all different stages of advancement.
Some may well be behind us and many may be ahead of us?

I understand Mitch that you were in the USAF and based at Bentwaters?
I lived in the area from 1957 to 1962 when i moved to London . I visited the area (Woodbridge) at least once a month to see my parents right up to the 90's. I had several US airmen friends and often had bar-b-q's at their on base married quarters.

Down to a more earthly subject, One conspiricy theory is that the Rendlesham forest UFO was a 'time' traveller that had a 'breakdown' and it was a kind of crash landing that was witnessed. The reason it was around for several nights was because they were repairing it!!!

Jenny Randles says in one of her books that the whole area is a UFO hot spot and she puts it down to the Cobra Mist radar instellation that was on Orfordness island from the 70's to the 80's. She claims that Cobra Mist over the horizon radar had possibly altered a dimension locally thus enabling travellers to visit.

That's all for now

Regards

Observer

Hi Observer

Yes I was stationed at Bentwaters from Mar 83 - Mar 86 and lived in Tangham for two years during that time. Loved it there!! I found the forest to have a magical sense - like it was shared with something else, an unexplained connection. I have written to the administrator of my only strange incident while living there. He says it will be posted soon.