May 2010 Transcript of Col Halt tape.

[larry warren]

Its strange to be involved in a historical event,and stranger to live long enough to see that history revised and revised alot as of late.
Good job on the transcript to storm and others, ofcourse andrew pike delt with it years ago
as did early us reseachers, and ofcourse the late georgina bruni did some good work on it too
although she went on to promote it as somthing new, fine thats smart marketing, good on her.
but if you dont know how the tape got to the wider worlds ears, ill tell you a little story.
Way back in 1984, when i was the only wittiness in the public eye with these events and almost
a year after my information got the Halt Memo released, alot of attention was on the events
Ian Ridpath was around back then and can vouch for what im saying {even though he thinks
the ufo part is bullshit, bless!] CNN was only a few years old and reporter named Chuck Decaro
got hooked on the events so a CNN Report was comissioned and it would take many months to finnish.
in the mean time the japs got onto it cause they dig ufos and weird shit especially if the weird shit has big ears, the weird shit in rendlesham dident have big ears{pointed} but was weird enough that the japs said Hey Thats some Good shit !enter Jim Yoie a famous TV fella in Japan, Jim {he liked to be called jim} flew around and tried to get some rendlesham boys
to talk, but no talky did they ! so off to the uk did jim fly, he ran around Bentwaters spoke to MZ brenda Butler did it, who had been played just a bit of the tape by Col HALT and ran into an officer friend of mr halts that halt had given a direct copie of the tape to, chucks pal
gave the tape to jim because he dident beleive in ufos anyway !Jim then lit a fire under his little ass then flew to my house, and said come to japan,! i said can i bring my brother, jim
said no fuckin way round eye, so we settled on a thousand bucks. once again proving that
i must be the most stupid of the bunch!anyway he then said in my dads well apointend liveingroom infront of my well apointed parents, Have you heard the tape? no i said, i thought he ment the new toto song africa? he dident! Stay tuned cause this HAL9000
dont play.....................

[larry warren]

I think i said SHIT one time to often.
Well ol jim played it for us, and it blew me away as it WAS in my night {oh no hes causing trouble again!} So i said to jimmy i Gotta have that tape, it vindacates me Dude, he said only if i go to japan and then i must never shair it with any one ! ya , Sure jim ahhhhh ya i will keep it under my belt , sit one it Ya thats the ticket! my fingers were crossed {all 13 of them} ofcourse . so off to the land of mothra i flew to make millions for NTV the Halt Tape did the same, but dident have its own dressing room, i got my grand witch will by you jack shit in japan
but most important, THE HALT TAPE, i flew home, and ran like a little bitch to larry fauctt played it for him, he dug it {thought it had a nice beat !}then we called Chuck Decarro from cnn, i was the first filmed for the cnn shows that autum 84, and now CNN had the dOC and tape. caught the DOD in 18 ought right lies if i recal then when the CNN SPECIAL ASSIGNMENT
Aired in FEB 1985 THATS when the worlds ears first heard The HALT TAPE.
The tapes release had nothing to do with that book Sky Crash, Nothing.....
its as simple as ive told it to you, minus the word shit ofcourse!
Hey, Wrote a book about all that!, goes somthin like this...........................................

[John Burroughs]

Larry and Others
I find it very interesting that you all want to keep beating your war drums on this! All I keep hearing is I all ready did this so where is my credit for this. Larry we are all aware of the fact you got the story out!! You have spent most of your life getting the story out! You have wrote a book on what happened! If you had not done this the story would not be out there!! But what is wrong with other people looking at different parts of what happened and putting there 2 cents in. You seem to want people to know what you did but Andrew and you keep saying I all ready have written about this!! Well for some reason alot of people didnot see what was written and are trying to make sense of it! Halts tape is the most important piece of evidence out there because it is real time not memory! It should be taken apart piece by piece to include the radition part! It is very important to try and figure out what the radition level was! Its great you want credit for how the tape got out and again I say you were the one who lead the charge on that! But how will this help us figure out what happened to us? Larry we need to put the time line together and do are best to try and figure out what happened not keeping talking about about the past! Thanks to all who are working on that and thank you Storm for brining this back up it is by far the most important piece of evidence! And Larry again you were the one who got the tape out we all thank you for that!! John Burroughs

[Frank]

he ran around Bentwaters spoke to MZ brenda Butler did it, who had been played just a bit of the tape by Col HALT and ran into an officer friend of mr halts that halt had given a direct copie of the tape to, chucks pal
gave the tape to jim because he dident beleive in ufos anyway !

(I think Larry is just trying to share his information on the origin of the tape, John. I welcome everybody that can provide a piece of this huge puzzle. And I fully agree with you on the importance of this tape AND of its origin.)

Harry's post fits Bruni's account of the origin of the tape to a large extend. According to her book, Col Morgan moved into an office that Col Halt had used for a few weeks and found the tape while he was rummaging through the trash in the desk. After Morgan left England he was first assigned to Hill AFB, Utah and in 1984 he left Utah for an assignment to NORAD and Air Force Space Command in Colorado Springs. There he was approached by Harry Harris and Dot Street for information on the RFI. This made him send copies of the tape "to several people", until he began to get "snarly calls demanding a copy" and was even threatened with legal action if he didn't respond. That's when he decided to quit responding to requests for the tape.

According to Col Morgan "one person sold the tape to a Japanese TV station for a considerable amount, but I never got a penny out of it".

Hmmm. One thing still puzzles me: Why is the silent explosion, that is so explicitely mentioned in Halts memo, not on the tape ..?
Any suggestions anybody?

[John Burroughs]

Frank
Who asked you to be the Moderator on this site? You come in here with your Surlock Holmes crap and act like your going to put this all together!To be honest your anoying I don't feel every time somebody makes a statement you need to jump in!! Stop being a Opportunist were big boys and we don't need somebody to hold our hands and tell us what we met everytime a statement is made!!!

[larry warren]

Good lord fellas, i was just havin some fun with some facts, cause with time alot gets lost by ALL of us , christ a brother told me just last week that we sound like bitching old men, and me included! As one of my X wives yoused tell me when id come out of a 1980 bag, BOOOORING!
charming i thought, but she was right.
Great work is now finally going on with these events, John B, has done more than i could ever hope too, Jim penniston , Col HALT, tim adrian steve Laplume
and all the rest !
This is a critical time for the events and though im still pissed off at the disrespect i got all those years ago , im here for the long hall, we might or should i say I might piss the others off
with my occasional drinking bindges and radical thoughts, that said weve got to use every dirty
trick in the book against the keepers of this secret. trust me , they do the same!
Frank you got alot to express, and thats good, get all your friends on board John Bs Justice Effort ! its an amazing grass roots effort in real time, and NOTHING like it has ben tried in the past ! all or most of my real friends are on it and some dont care about ufos, but they care about us! and thats good enough.
and yes frank it was morgan that gave the tape to the japs! and i dont think mr halt was very happy about it, as he was supposed to be his friend! Col Halt never wanted the tape out..... and i dont blaim him, and dont think for a second i dont regret the hassel i surly caused the man, cause i was only thinking of me ! cheers

[Frank]

X rays though - thats interesting - I did not know that. X rays can be caused by gamma hitting something dense like lead. Causes an effect called Brem Stralla. I love that phrase.

Hi Storm,

For you and anyone else who's interested:

Paul Hill really was a brilliant guy. You can still buy his book at Amazon. It has 23 reviews, 22 of them are 5 star reviews (and the remaining one is a 4 star), so I’m not the only one who thinks his book is brilliant.

His book shows that ufology can be a science. Many elements of the RFI are recognizable in Hill’s book as common features of UFO encounters.

Paul Hill tried to find an explanation for UFO propulsion that simply fits the witness observations – as any scientist should do. His approach is very thorough: He takes every known physical particle and every known physical force and tries to find out if a propulsion system that uses a particular particle or field would fit the available data. In this process every possibility is eliminated but one: A repulsive force field that acts on mass. If this technology would be available to possible extra-terrestrials, it would explain:

1. Ultra-fast accelerations (so fast that a craft can seem to disappear in front of your eyes)
2. Ultra tight curves (that are basically the same as ultra-fast accelerations)
3. Without crushing possible occupants (in fact they feel no acceleration forces at all ..)
4. Without a sonic boom
5. Without burning up due to air friction

BUT Paul does not stop there. He recognizes that a possible theory of their propulsion system also needs to explain two common phenomena of UFO sightings:

1. Radiation with an energy between 25 eV and 3 million eV (see my previous post). This radiation typically has the effect of heating the soil beneath a hovering UFO without leaving residual radioactive radiation. This phenomenon is also observed by Halt and his men on the Halt tape.
2. (Very) high electric fields. This is also observed in the RFI: Malfunctioning radio’s, vehicles, light-alls and the definite feeling of static electricity in the air.

The combination of ionizing radiation and high electric fields would produce a glowing “halo” around a UFO. The color and intensity of this halo (which basically is a glowing plasma) varies and probably is connected to the amount of energy that the propulsion system needs to produce. This plasma “shell”, if very intense, would make the actual craft hardly visible. This may be the reason why John just saw lights that seemed to project an image of a craft. The plasma shell is responsible for the fact that a UFO seen at night looks like a glowing ball of light, while a UFO seen in daylight seems to have a fuzzy outline.

At the end of his book, Paul Hill speculates about physical reactions that would produce a repulsive force that acts on mass, and produces X-rays plus high electric fields as a by-product. He finds one in the physics literature, but is already at the fuzzy borders of our physical knowledge at that point (and admits to that).

You may find it surprising, but gravity is one of the least understood forces of nature and a possible intelligence that is a million years or more ahead of us would certainly have a better understanding of it and may even be able to manipulate it.

There are many more aspects of UFO’s. Most of them are not understood, such as the strange, strongly delineated lighting effects like the beam that Halt saw.

What frustrates me is the fact that UFO’s are a taboo in science and because of that we hardly made any progress since Paul Hill finished his book around 1975. Maybe, in 2020 or so, the science taboo on UFO’s will finally have disappeared. Hopefully scientists will still know Hill’s book by then. His analysis of the data is not speculative at all, he does the math (and is good at it).

Buy this book! Do it before this "lighting beacon in the dark forest of ufology" is out of print and we are in the Dark Ages of ufology again!
http://www.amazon.com/Unconventional-Flying-Objects-Scientific-Analysis/dp/1571740279

Who asked you to be the Moderator on this site? You come in here with your Surlock Holmes crap and act like your going to put this all together!To be honest your anoying I don't feel every time somebody makes a statement you need to jump in!! Stop being a Opportunist were big boys and we don't need somebody to hold our hands and tell us what we met everytime a statement is made!!!

Well, John, I'm just trying to contribute my share and keep a constructive discussion going. If that is not the intention of this forum I may be on the wrong forum.

[John Burroughs]

Frank
Its one thing to post your own opion its another to tell others what they are trying to say! Please stop trying to tell others what someone met! Were all big boys and we don't need to be lecture on what we met or how to say it!! I'm sick of you telling us what the first rule of somthing is state your facts and what you to have to say! Larry I understand but its time to stop being pissed off! We just will have to do are best to deal with the wankers and move on! You started this in 1984 and hopefully we will someday get disclosure!! And is it not interesting that Morgan felt he should have gotten paid for releasing the tape! He wants to receive a payday for what happened to us but has never steped up to help us! Thats a Oppotunist Thanks for the help Col Morgan!!

[John Burroughs]

Frank
Its one thing to post your own opion its another to tell others what they are trying to say! Please stop trying to tell others what someone met! Were all big boys and we don't need to be lecture on what we met or how to say it!! I'm sick of hearing what the first rule of somthing is state your facts and what you have to say! Larry I understand but its time to stop being pissed off! We just will have to do are best to deal with the wankers and move on! You started this in 1984 and hopefully we will someday get disclosure!! And is it not interesting that Morgan felt he should have gotten paid for releasing the tape! He wants to receive a payday for what happened to us but has never steped up to help us! Thats a Oppotunist Thanks for the help Col Morgan!!

[Storm]

There is to every action an agenda. Me for instance I transcribed the tape because Ridpaths for the most part was missing large bits and his opinions were actually blatantly negative. An odd stance for a man of science. The bruni one on this site had things that threw the context of the situation off. So I did it for my own agenda and that was to see what was going on. I have done other things as well and I am gradually drawing my conclusions. The thing that amazes me is quite a severe lack of co ordination of the facts. It seems to me that nowhere online can you find a in depth analsys of the goings on, on the tape. I know what this means. It means that I am clearly not the first to know the need for such a thing to be done. It has been done I am sure. So this means it's tucked away in someone elses agenda. A book they have written. A tv programme they appeared on Ian. And that discredits the info. Because it was done for money or the attempt to make money from work done. Whils facts can be corroberated from someones novel they will have decided to leave bits out. The editor will further remove tiny bits of info. The sorces withold info for whatever reasons and so a dilution of the facts begins. Later someone reads those book, watches those programme and from that begins a new era of reinterpreted info. But then too much info is being lost.

For instance the Halt tape. 18 mins. Bruni has the tape breaks at I don't know roughly 10. Ridpath 11. Me 20. Not exact figures but just for example. So we have a total of eoughly 4 hours of events from Sir the lighst are back to lights are still over Woodbridge base. Does no one else want to say 4 hours minus 18 minutes, leaves 3 hours 42 mins at least of WTF. It's neglegent to say these men were getting frisky over a lighthouse when you have 3 hours 42 minutes of missing info. Christ I could drive to the other side of the country in that time and stop for a P. What on this earth kept busy service men loafing around in a farmers field for that long. We know the stuff we know. Look at what we don't know I suggest. Because IMHO when you do that you can rule out masterbating at a lighthouse flashing for 3 hours 42 minues without someone coming lol. See what I mean. It makes nonsense. So Thats my two peneth I'll shut up now lol.

[Andrew Pike]

The only reason I ever mention that I have written about this, that or whatever is so any interested member not already aware of it can go and check it out, I simply don't have time to keep typing it out time and again, I have a life outside UFOs! Simple as that! It is not to stop any further talk on it and, quite frankly, I don't see how it would do so anyway!

Now I have just spent several days getting my updated and expanded book accepted for re-released for the 30th anniversary by a major publisher who can get it out everywhere. That is despite the fact I am really, and I mean this, so very fed up with the crap I take here on this forum and elsewhere for my efforts.

What I should have done is put it through the fucking shredder.

I would also like to say, again, I will shut up now, but I have to keep coming back on because somebody can't read what I said and I have to start defending myself again.


Andrew

[John Burroughs]

Andrew
So you know how we feel when you say people can't read what you have said and try and put it in there own words! So your fed up but have made money off of it! You want me to go out and pick up your book so you can what make more money on it! Storm I'm really enjoying what your doing keep it up its not very often Ian goes quite! Andrew I would really enjoy knowing what you have come up with after all I was one of the guys who were out there!!

[Andrew Pike]

There are times I feel like adopting Victor Meldrew's catchphrase as my own. If you don't get One foot in the Grave in the US John, it's "I Don't believe it!"

Once again, on here to repeat what I have already said on this forum before.

1. The first edition of my book was sold at a lost at best, in fact, I gave most of them away as I have already said in posts here, look them up if you don't believe me. I was lucky to get some funding towards the cost of self-publishing it which went towards a reduction in the cost to the public, not in my back pocket! Again I have said that before on this forum. My accountant keeps telling me I will be better off if I did not do ufology. All this is also in the forward of the book by the way, so no way I can travel back in time to set that up to prove my point here today, I'm not Doctor fucking Who! Sacha Christie also pointed it out on this very same forum, and yes, she got a FREE copy also! As well as the self-publishing costs on a specialized, short run there is the cost of 25 years running here, there and everywhere to libraries, visiting the forest, hotel costs, petrol, travel, travel costs giving free talks on radio etc, etc. So, no I have made a loss most of which cannot be offset against tax under UK law, fact!

2. It was people on this very forum who asked me when I was going to get the book out there again and foolishly I thought I was doing them a favour, but obviously not. So many said they missed it the first time.

3. If you really think there is money in writting (unless you are one of the World's top sellers) when backed by a proper publisher you have rocks in your head! On the hardback maybe a bit after tax, agents, cost of research, years of writing time. Paperback, pennies! Bruni's book only sold 6000 in hardback, her words not mine.

4. So to avoid any further smear of being a money maker on the back of this subject, I am going to withdraw rights from the publisher in an email this morning. It's dead and gone! And so am I, that's it!

How you ufologists ever hope to get to the truth is beyond me. You want answers, people supply them or do their best to help and you act like this! You want this mystery to continue and you are afraid scientists will solve it as something simple and natural. Well we are not all debunkers Like Ridpath, Clarke, French, etc. And if I was Dr Who, I'd go back and tell myself 30 years ago to forget it.

Andrew

[Storm]

Yes well . . . erm

Right, well on my rooting about I have found something interesting. I was looking through the Ridpath site looking for a quick copy of the Halt memo. I found something quite hilarious as I often do and it was on the detailing of the radiation readings from the Halt memo, analysed by Ian.

So after the laughter died down I re read what was said again and I quote it here

"(As a technical aside, the correct units should have been milliroentgens per hour – the use of incorrect units seems to betray an unfamiliarity with radiation monitoring)."

Aside from the obvious irony there, based on previous parts of this thread - I wanted to see if this was right but - the units of Millirem and Milliroentgen are interchangeable as long as the source of radiation being measured is measuring either gamma or X - Ray, interestingly later we hear the phrase, "that is a beta reading too", "the beta shield has been removed." Which could easily imply that the gentlemen involved knew exactly what type of radiation they were dealing with and had not removed it previously due to distance, and as I would myself if something moved close to me, at least had a look to see if there was anything beta wise. But knowing about beta radiation I know it only travels a few feet in air. So its interesting that they should feel the need to try it given that the implication by others is that they were far away from the object. Of course having the beta shield across prevents beta radiation from entering the probe and therefore the only reading you should get is gamma.

I find this all fascinating with so many twists.

source - http://www.hps.org/

[Daniel]

Your welcome Daniel. As far as I am aware he didn't take actual thermometer readings. He doesn't on the tape. The starscope registered light but there is debate about what that means. Heat or some form of energy to quote halt. However the starscope was a kind of night vision thing. Which usually show green scales of light and he says hey your right there's a little White streak on the tree. White? odd. Unless earlier versions were black and White. What does show black and White is a thermal image camera. If it had those qualities well then there is a whole new ball game. I am sure someone has found the star scope used. A search for it now just brings back pages of telescopes.

I've been interested in the type of hardware they used for night vision for sometime now. Too me some sections of the recording made it sound like, to me at least, some sort of temperature readings could have been recorded. Maybe some sort of thermal detection was available to them. I think I recalled in an interview that they used these devices to look for possible intruders on the perimeter of the bases, in which thermal would be best, but I can't be fully sure that information is correct until I find which interview it was in. I'm also interested in the range of the device too.

@Andrew Pike - I hope you change your mind, information is valuable. It's a shame the only people who make most from a published book is the publishers themselves, unless you have multi-best sellers. I'll be looking forward to pre-ordering.

[Storm]

Well Dan it is interesting - I am trying to find the piece of kit used and remembered that someone called it a starlite scope (i think in the transcript).

I found this http://www.hypertools.com/starlite.jpg which in itself may be a small piece of the puzzle. But in the rummaging to find it I found it in context

here:

[url]http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://www.vspa.com/aspprotect/images-
bunkers-towers/dn-konrad-kottke-tower-starlight-scope-1971-1972.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.vspa.com/aspprotect/dn-heavy-wpns.htm&usg=__KMifTCIMLgUH0iYuxcQP2hTgHlg=&h=579&w=600&sz=59&hl=en&start=1&um=
1&itbs=1&tbnid=Qw2r7dHDuBaANM:&tbnh=130&tbnw=135&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dstarlight%2B
scope%2BUSAF%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN%26tbs%3Disch:1[/url]

Interestingly enough in my transcript, and others is the radio com " Alpha too/2 security". And in the picture on that link we have Alpha 3 - which refers to a permanent sentry position at a perimeter. So thats good because it makes that now make a little sense.

[John Burroughs]

Andrew
I guess your just full of hot air and are a drama queen as we yanks say! All I have asked for is for you to do is explain to me what you have come up. I'm sure that the amount of time you have spent telling me why your pissed off at everybody and its in my book you could have given me a good Idea of where your coming from! But I guess not where is Frank when you really need a Moderator? I'm sure he could save the day! Anyway I would really like to know what you have come up with it could be important so if you ever stop being a angry old man I'm interested! John

[Frank]

How you ufologists ever hope to get to the truth is beyond me. You want answers, people supply them or do their best to help and you act like this! You want this mystery to continue and you are afraid scientists will solve it as something simple and natural. Well we are not all debunkers Like Ridpath, Clarke, French, etc.

Thanks, Andrew.

Yesterday I was mad as hell, so I decided to cool down for a day before responding. Now I’m still mad but mostly amazed.

Jesus, John, maybe you should try to read my posts first before throwing insults around. I’ve only been trying to help but you seem to be so blinded with anger and frustration you can’t tell friend from foe anymore.

As for my `hidden agenda', it’s right there in the introduce yourself pages and consisted of one simple question:
“Is there a timeline that fits all witness statements?”

I think I have my answer now: “Maybe, but you’re not going to find it on this forum”. It’s not the answer I hoped for, but I just have to face it.

I really regret this, because without a proper timeline you are just sitting ducks to the skeptics no matter how many UFO-enthusiasts join you at Facebook.
Note the first part, John: I really regret this. The second part is just the naked truth and I refuse to make it any prettier.

Well, I pretty much shared all I wanted to share on this forum. Hopefully it can be of some use to somebody someday.

I’ve decided not to put any more energy into this and hope you find the disclosure you are looking for.

Cheers and good luck!
Frank

[John Burroughs]

Frank
I'm not blinded by anger yes I'm frustrated!! I have read your post and the last time I checked I didnot say anything negitive about the fact your trying to establish a timeline! I also feel you have been trying to help! My frustration with you is simple you have tried to step in and be a moderatior which the last time I checked nobody asked you to! That part alone I could deal with but when you start trying to tell people what there trying to say that was enough! Were all big boys here Frank and yes many people have different opions and agendas! Sometimes it does not hurt to vent and even argue a bit! One of the most interesting things about this incident is within the first 3 days there was a Air Force member who was not involved in the incident spreading around the pubs there was a ailien incident at Bentwaters. Its also very interesting that when Larry first started talking about it he had it all happening in one night and there was ailien contact! If you look at Halts memo the way he writes it he has the wrong dates and put more than one incident together! Larry has now backed off there was ailien contact why! Guess who asked me to join the forum Ian Ridpath! My frustration with him is simple he only wants to look at what supports his beleifs! Storm seems to be able to cut through what he has stated as fact and show a different light! Its kinda of funny when somebody steps up says somthing negative about the way your conducting yourself you want to run for exit's!! I'm not looking friend or foe just the answers and I'm not afraid to deal with any of it and if its a simple explantion so be it! I just want disclosure!!

[Andrew Pike]

I think I need to clear up a point a colleague pointed out tonight as I arrived for work. He likes a good 'punch up' and had been following this thread all day.

Where I said ufologists in my last post, I should have said airmen.

I apologize unreservedly to ufologsits for the slip of my brain. I hope given the context of the post and paragraph in question this becomes clear. I have the upmost respect for ufologists and the work they do.

Although no excuse I think it was because I had been up all night at work and typed it before going home and did not read it through. I was not angry at the time, just dissapointed. I was thinking of the airmen involved in the first night, one of whom was John, and an episode involving them, ufologists and the asking of questions connected with nuclear weapons by ufologists. We had been asked at the time to report anything we knew to Special Branch. They had just traced the printing of some headed notepaper associated with a UFO group, called APEN, who were thought to be an IRA cover for bombings on UK airbases, to the printers of Flying Saucer Review. One of the magazine staff was investigating Rendlesham. I was thinking what a pain that was while also typing as I had just been telling the story to sombody. I think it is having that in the back of my mind that caused me to type ufologists instead of airmen. APEN really were a nasty bunch of so-called 'ufologists'.

Anyway, apart from a few spelling errors I still stand by the rest of the post and my view that I will leave this form. I wish you all the best in your research and once again, sorry for the confusion and insult!

Best wishes

Andrew