National Press Club - Sgt. James Penniston USAF @ NPC 11 Nov

[puddlepirate]

Great video clip...only two quetions. If Penniston and Burroughs radios weren't working because of interference or whatever, then how did they contact Cabasang to use him as a relay? If they were within shouting distance and Cabasang's radio worked, then why didn't they simply drop back to where Cabasang was? He could only have been a few feet away....

Also, who was the audience?

[ghaynes]

Hi Puddle,

Nov. 12: Former Arizona Governor Fife Symington moderated a distinguished panel of former high-ranking government, aviation,
and military officials from seven countries who discussed encounters with UFOs and official investigations. The event was organized by filmmaker James Fox and journalist Leslie Kean of CFi.

http://www.freedomofinfo.org/

My question is, Penniston says that over 80 guys saw the unidentified Stealth craft take off - where are the all these folks ?

Penniston sketched a pretty detailed drawing of the craft complete with symbols over a 45 minute period. If that was a top secret aircraft he wouldn't have been allowed to keep the sketches.



It does look a bit "80s" that craft - do you think he and the two other airmen made this up.

Interesting. Where was Penniston positioned to be able to see the top side of the craft and be able to draw it accurately? Given the dimensions of the object were allegedly 9ft wide by 8ft high there is no way he could have viewed the top side without using a step ladder!
Regards.

Graham

[redsocks]

Hi ghaynes,

Just another inconsistancy right there.I am thinking about writing a book just about the Airmens inconsistancys,that alone would be enough to dispell their story outright to any sane person! I really do think this forum is well on the way to undermining their little scheme,they wont be able to hide from the evidence much longer,keep up the good work guys.

Redsocks.

[puddlepirate]

If Penniston sketched a highly classified craft his notebook would have immediately acquired the same classification as the object he sketched. It would have been indexed and kept in the appropriate file. It would then have had to have been signed for each time it was requested, with any copies strictly controlled. Therefore, we can safely assume what he saw was not classified. Also, for him to have sketched the top of the aircraft in detail - and as already mentioned by Graham - he would had to have been above it and given it was 8ft high, then he must have climbed a tree but no mention is made of him doing that.

That said, his sketches do look remarkably like a smaller version of the mysterios black triangles as witnessed by the Belgian airforce several years later in 1989 and appear to include the exhaust assembly shape claimed for Aurora.

[Observer]

Jim Penniston and Halt never mentioned 80 odd guys to Bruni when she wrote her book or on early TV interviews/docs about the incident. This claim seems to be quite recent.

The Belgian triangles as seen by the BA were huge according to one F-16 pilot, this must be a tiny miniture of them.

Taking their reports of what they saw happen at face value, was there any man made science around at that time that could do these things.

The Apollo capsule theory doesn't fit in with Penniston's sketches.

As puddlepirate said, lets have some of these guys come forward and give their version of events.

The whole thing is beginning to smell a bit fishy!

Observer

[Wolf]

Cue John Burroughs

V/R

Wolf

[puddlepirate]

Hi

This is what John Burroughs had to say:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=FX7YNYSNnxQ&feature=related

[ghaynes]

Hi

This is what John Burroughs had to say:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=FX7YNYSNnxQ&feature=related

According to the member list, John Burroughs joined the forum yesterday. I'm guessing that's what Wolf meant with his post.
Regards.

Graham

[Observer]

If this is the same John Burroughs that we all know then its great that he has joined our forum.
Its a mile stone for us having somebody who was actually there and involved in the incident. We must all welcome that.

Observer

[puddlepirate]

Absolutely. A big BZ to JB for joining in. I - as I am sure we all do - look forward to some interesting posts.

[redsocks]

Hmmm,

Something strange going on here,ppulatie comes on here and dispells our theorys and then ignores my posts asking him what he thinks happened that night and then his retired USAF buddy JB joins the forum.Do you think ppulatie knows we are getting close to rumbling them and JB has decided to take a look for himself?.Penniston,JB,Pulatie,Halt I would love to check their emails.I guarantee JB will not post on here he just wants to check things out.Come on guys we have some questions for you, we know for a fact you (apart from Halt) come on here,so lets have a debate eh or are you worried that the past is finally going to catch up with you? after all you are going to look pretty stupid in the public eye with all the evidence thats mounting up against you.
Redsocks

[John Burroughs]

Hmmm, Why would you say that about somebody who just joined your discussion group. I just found out about your web site checked it out and thought it would be interesting to jump in. I liked your post about it possibly being some kind of military test and have some strong feeling myself about that. And as far as the past goes I find it funny that you were not out there so you have no Idea what we went through. There is no strong evidence mounting against us just a bunch of people playing arm chair quaterback. I have never said anything more than I have no Idea what it was we saw. Even Col Halt to my knowledge has said over and over he is not sure what it was. As far as Penniston goes from the beggining even that night that it first happened said it was a solid object with marking's on it. What has changed for him over the years is he has been led around by Halt and told what to say plus he has gotten caught up in it. As far as Halt goes he has been a major source of disinformation from the begining. His memo had the wrong dates on it and that is somthing that would not happen in less he wanted it to be that way. It took forever to get the dates straight everbody kept fighting about it and were not looking at the facts. As far as Pulatie goes i don't even know who he is. I did send him a E-mail on Friday and found out what his job was in the back office. He was unable to get me much information about what i was looking for, the missing offical reports that disapeared from the security police files that Halt stated was no big deal!!And to me he has just tried to clear up some of the military operation that went on and the way the military did business at Bentwaters .I have no problem taking any question on or debating anybody on Bentwaters ask James Easton or Ian Ridpath. I plan on comming back this year at Christmas time for many reason and would have no problem meeting any group or person face to face. I would love getting most of the major players together but Col Halt would never meet me face to face again after are falling out when we met face to face in England for the filming of strange but true IE I would not put up with any more of his crap. Larry Warren and Halt's rank broke the case open but they have also been the one's who have done the most damage . Warren by making what happened hard to beleive and Halt holding back evidence and giving out false information. And take this to the Bank I am not worried about debating you in the least bring it on!!

Something strange going on here,ppulatie comes on here and dispells our theorys and then ignores my posts asking him what he thinks happened that night and then his retired USAF buddy JB joins the forum.Do you think ppulatie knows we are getting close to rumbling them and JB has decided to take a look for himself?.Penniston,JB,Pulatie,Halt I would love to check their emails.I guarantee JB will not post on here he just wants to check things out.Come on guys we have some questions for you, we know for a fact you (apart from Halt) come on here,so lets have a debate eh or are you worried that the past is finally going to catch up with you? after all you are going to look pretty stupid in the public eye with all the evidence thats mounting up against you.
Redsocks

[Observer]

Hi John and welcome

As you have seen, there are some theories flying around on this forum some quite unbelievable. At the moment i and a colleague are lookning at some sort of 'man made' scientific experiment as the cause of this mystery. We are also considering any 'black' projects of the 70's and 80's such as air planes that may have systems on board that could cause what you observed.

We are also considering if the Russians were up to something.
Before we end up deciding it was a genuine UFO, we must explore every man made avenue and possibility which at the moment is far from complete.

I'm sure you have racked your brains over the years for an explanation and you must have come up with some 'private' theories as have the other players?

Observer

[John Burroughs]

Admin
Here is how it played out. First on Halt lets see what he has to say. He went farther than I would ever beleive when he made his speach and stated it was under some kind of control. As far as Warren goes I feel he got allot of his information from Bustinza. If you remember at the beggining he said the base commander was out there LT Col Williams. Williams was the Wing commander and Halt was the Deputy base and a Lt Col. He could not even get that straight. Find the Cnn special report and that is what he said. I did meet Larry in Calf once and after metting him late 1988 his story started getting closer to what happened IE the events. As far as the contact with ailiens he got that from Bustinza. Halt first started talking about me getting on top of a object. Bustinza told Warren about his and my encounter with a ball of light on the third night. Before everybody jumps the gun I am not saying it was with any type of ailien craft. This is what happened. As we were getting ready to head back in a short distance away a large ball of blue and white light appeared in front of the whole group. Halt asked me if it was like we had seen 2 nights before and i told him it was very bright like before but I wanted a closer look. He let me and yes I was off duty in Civ cloths and Bustinza go towards it as we were getting close to it it moved towards us and we started running Bustinza fell down and he told me he felt like he was pulled down and held down. I approuched the light and was almost on top of it not standing just being able to touch it when it just disapeared gone. Here were it gets hard to explain there was missing time ie about 5 min acording to Bustinza and he stated the light went over the top of me. I can only say I was close to it and it wa gone. I never told warren about this Bustinza did and I did let Warren know what I was close to a object IE Lights. I have talked about this before but not in this great of detail and I am saying this I am not claiming I know what it was or that it was a some kind of ailien craft. I can not even say there was even missing time for sure. All I can say I was close to something and then I was standing in a open field with it gone

[John Burroughs]

How can I get ahold of the British policemen?

[Wolf]

HI John

Try this addy - heseltinegary@hotmail.com

This is his site - http://prufospolicedatabase.co.uk/index.html

V/R

Wolf

[Observer]

Am i right in thinking that this new documentary with new evidence from Lt Col Halt has already been shown in the USA and is scheduled for the UK later in the year. Or, has it not been shown any where yet?

Observer

[redsocks]

[quote="John Burroughs"]How can I get ahold of the British policemen?[/quote]

Hi John,

Did you get any reply from Gary Hesletine?

Redsocks

[John Burroughs]

The E-Mail adress you sent me does not work can you recheck please!

[John Burroughs]

The History Channel did do a 1 hour special that aired 2 years ago in the states but nothing since that i am aware of.