30th Anniversary Conference discussion/Binary Code [merged]

[AdrianF]

For those that haven't seen it, this was just posted on the Bentwaters 1980 site..

http://bentwaters1980.blogspot.com/2011/01/codes-and-time-line-to-disclosure.html

cheers

[John Burroughs]

Puddle
I suspect the 'code' has achieved what it was intended to achieve - diversion, disarray, disinformation and to undermine credible research by reducing the RFI to farce.

Rgr that. The lack of discussion regarding the new route and locations backs that up. I was led to believe the great 2010 RF Expedition was going to rule out the Farmhouse and Lighthouse etc, once and for all.
Maybe just an indication of total loss of credibility huh...which kind of explains why the Principal of Chicken-$hit High hasn't handed out the Diplomas he promised B.B.C.

He who joyfully marches to music in rank and file has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the spinal cord would suffice.
Albert Einstein

[John Burroughs]

Hi Biffer

I'm good, Puddle makes some valid points and its worth keeping them in mind. As far as the statements go, it's possible that they were being 'safe' with their reports. Halts statement to the MOD was certainly watered down before it was sent. In fact why send one at all, if nothing happened then why send it. Its hardly worth sending a memo about lights seen, not the event of the century is it.

Obs

If we knew what it was we were doing, it would not be called research, would it? Albert Einstein

[John Burroughs]

I suspect the 'code' has achieved what it was intended to achieve - diversion, disarray, disinformation and to undermine credible research by reducing the RFI to farce. However, the weakness lies in the misguided assumption that every RFI researcher accepts the witness statements as an absolute truth and uses them as a starting point, when in reality a better starting point might lie within the records of the Suffolk Constabulary and drug related offences involving US service personnel.

If you are out to describe the truth, leave elegance to the tailor.
Albert Einstein

[John Burroughs]

]The message in my opinion, and probably many others, seem a little Sci-fi cliché
Me too. It's one new Sci Fi fad after another. Here's the one Jim probably watched before coming up with this latest half arsed attempt at avoiding the real issue..

In matters of truth and justice, there is no difference between large and small problems, for issues concerning the treatment of people are all the same.
Albert Einstein

[John Burroughs]

What hacks me off, big time, is the way the civilians who attended the conference, the local witnesses who had some very interesting testimony, were treated as if what they had to say was totally irrelevant. There is always lots of talk about 'respect' for the witnesses combined with a willingness by some to believe virtually everything they say without question but quite frankly it is my personal opinion that right from the start we have been led on a wild goose chase. A snippet of 'evidence' here, a snippet there but always with the claim of there being more to tell and the promise that all will be revealed tomorrow. But of course, tomorrow never comes.

One only has to review the posts elsewhere on this forum to realise that as soon as a sensible theory is proposed it is immediately pushed aside and some other diversion is thrown up instead. This latest nonsense about binary codes serves only to highlight that fact. Sure, the witnesses (and I draw a very clear distinction between what is alleged to have been seen on night one and what was alleged to have been seen on subsequent nights) might have seen something but whatever that was has been blown out of all proportion. In my view this latest claim has completely destroyed any credibility the night one witnesses might previously have had. Therefore and as far as serious research goes, it is my personal view that their testimony is worthless and is best ignored. In fact, I'd go as far as to say Kevin Conde's explanation is a better bet. After all the colours of the lights are right and if he'd backed his car onto a logging road with headlights facing east gate an observer would see almost exactly what JB first described in the opening part of his original statement. Perhaps what happened was something like this:

A cop duo are on patrol and decide to take a break. They park up off road, in an area they know to be deserted (apparently east gate was not always guarded at night - Burroughs and Buran happened to be there almost by accident). They leave the lights on, the motor running and keep the beacons on. That way if someone should come along they can claim they are looking for something. By sheer bad luck the vehicle lights are seen by Burroughs and Buran. They call it in and are given permission to go off base to take a look. Whoever is in the car sees a vehicle coming down the east gate service road so they back up further into the forest, waiting for a chance to drive off. Burroughs and Buran return to east gate and Penniston and Cabansag arrive. The lights are confirmed to CSC so Penniston, Burroughs and Cabansag go off base to investigate. Meanwhile whoever is in the car now realises they've got a problem so kill the lights and hope they are not spotted. Pennistion, Burroughs and Cabansag arrive in the forest, find the car and realise the occupants are colleagues. They can't call it in because if they do, they'll drop a couple of mates in the crap. They now have a dilemma.... they can't drop mates in it but neither can they say the lights were nothing because that would make them, particularly Penniston as the officer in charge, look stupid so they make up a silly story to cover their backsides....... but the story comes back to haunt them.

Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
Albert Einstein

[John Burroughs]

I'm sure the History channel wouldn't want people ruining their credibility, after all history is supposed to be based on facts right?

Yeah, right. Just like The UFO Hunters.

Programmes like this are intended for entertainment only. You can read an amusing inside view of how programmes like this are made starting on page 11 of the latest issue of the online UFO magazine SUNlite
http://home.comcast.net/~tprinty/UFO/SUNlite3_1.pdf

Ian

Most people say that is it is the intellect which makes a great scientist. They are wrong: it is character.
Albert Einstein

[John Burroughs]

IF: I was led to believe the great 2010 RF Expedition was going to rule out the Farmhouse and Lighthouse etc, once and for all.

Concur. That's the only reason I drove the 200 mile return trip. Had I known the outcome would be to totally ignore civvies from the local area who had something to say and instead simply to promise a new revelation on the History Channel (an announcement they could have posted on the web) I wouldn't have bothered. Far from being 'Britain's Roswell' the whole unfortunate affair as described by the 'witnesses' must now surely be consigned to back catalogues of non-events. In a way this is a good thing. It means that anyone seriously interested in researching what the USAF were really doing in Rendlesham Forest in Dec 80 can now free themselves of the burden of researching 'The Rendlesham Forest Incident' and instead look at 'Illegal Acts of the United States Air Force and Air Force personnel conducted from USAF airbases in the UK or while on UK Sovereign Terrority' - a whole new world of opportunity.

The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits.
Albert Einstein

[John Burroughs]

‘A few good men’.. haha, wasn’t that the megalomaniac who took the law in his own hands and was finally exposed as someone who was hiding the truth?

It seems the witnesses are not interested in finding out the truth but want to convince everyone of their truth. Unfortunately there is no convincing evidence so this is getting nowhere fast.

It makes me think about something that happened in Holland in 1987. A famous Dutch actor was convinced that running a particular play in the Dutch theaters would provoke anti-Semitism, so he tried to stop it. He got very frustrated that he couldn’t convince the general public of something that was so evident to him. He was quite a character, had some narcissistic traits, and was completely convinced he was right.
In a final attempt he did something extraordinary: He staged his own kidnapping by a (non-existent) Dutch neo-nazi group. He got the whole country in an uproar and was finally exposed by the Belgian police (he was hiding in Belgium). Later he wrote a book about this strange episode in his life.

@Ian: It certainly changed my attitude towards ufology, though I still would be surprised if we are not observed, given the size and age of the Universe and the Fermi Paradox. What ufology needs is ONE good case instead of thousands of iffy cases. But it's not going to be the RFI ..

@Daniel: I agree, CEPR is probably the result of 'random bit noise'. If you look at the things that come out when reading the code backwards (see my earlier posts), you also see some sequences that seem to spell parts of words (even 'FACT'). I noticed some speculation about relationships between CEPR and genes or DNA on other forums. Well, there are so many abbreviations, numbers, and names in this field that almost any sequence of characters will give a 'gene-related hit' somewhere. I once googled the number sequence 338100 and found out it was a code for some gene. Unfortunately almost every other 6-digit number was used to code some gene, too - it seems that there are as many genetic codes as there are phone numbers ...

A question that sometimes drives me hazy: am I or are the others crazy?
Albert Einstein

[John Burroughs]

Jim has made a proper cock up !. What's happened to Jim John and Lazzers anyway ?. Not heard from them 3 in a while.

Common sense invents and constructs no less than its own field than science does in its domain. It is, however, in the nature of common sense not to be aware of this situation.
Albert Einstein

[AdrianF]

Does anybody else find it ironic, that it's always been suggested the witnesses were messed with? I think you and Larry might well have been John, but just not by the people you may think.

Never trust a man, who when left alone with a tea cosey... Doesn't try it on.
Billy Connolly

[John Burroughs]

Does anybody else find it ironic, that it's always been suggested the witnesses were messed with? I think you and Larry might well have been John, but just not by the people you may think.

Never trust a man, who when left alone with a tea cosey... Doesn't try it on.
Billy Connolly

A man should look for what is, and not for what he thinks should be.
Albert Einstein

[John Burroughs]

That binary code revelation was, (as Billy Connolly put it so famously) was about as welcome as a fart in a spacesuit. (in this case alien spacesuit from wal mart).

If the evidence pointed towards the possibility of this whole story as being at least in part credible - now its really all pretty incredible.

I think and think for months and years. Ninety-nine times, the conclusion is false. The hundredth time I am right.
Albert Einstein

[John Burroughs]

IF: I was led to believe the great 2010 RF Expedition was going to rule out the Farmhouse and Lighthouse etc, once and for all.

Concur. That's the only reason I drove the 200 mile return trip. Had I known the outcome would be to totally ignore civvies from the local area who had something to say and instead simply to promise a new revelation on the History Channel (an announcement they could have posted on the web) I wouldn't have bothered. Far from being 'Britain's Roswell' the whole unfortunate affair as described by the 'witnesses' must now surely be consigned to back catalogues of non-events. In a way this is a good thing. It means that anyone seriously interested in researching what the USAF were really doing in Rendlesham Forest in Dec 80 can now free themselves of the burden of researching 'The Rendlesham Forest Incident' and instead look at 'Illegal Acts of the United States Air Force and Air Force personnel conducted from USAF airbases in the UK or while on UK Sovereign Terrority' - a whole new world of opportunity.

I have just got a new theory of eternity.
Albert Einstein

[puddlepirate]

JB - Grow up. People are sick of the bullshit. Many of the contributors on this forum, including me, thought you guys were after the truth when in fact you took us for fools. We spent time and effort trying to help YOU... .not us, we weren't there but YOU. Fuck you. You've wasted our time, laughed at us, treated us like idiots by feeding us crap about all kinds of stuff. Who gives a shit what happened to you. As far as I am concerned you are now on your own and anything you need from this side of the pond you'll have to fly over and find for yourself.

[Lauren Jones]

Exactly. How obnoxious can you get with these Einstein quotes? Bad form.

[John Burroughs]

JB - Grow up. People are sick of the bullshit. Many of the contributors on this forum, including me, thought you guys were after the truth when in fact you took us for fools. We spent time and effort trying to help YOU... .not us, we weren't there but YOU. Fuck you. You've wasted our time, laughed at us, treated us like idiots by feeding us crap about all kinds of stuff. Who gives a shit what happened to you. As far as I am concerned you are now on your own and anything you need from this side of the pond you'll have to fly over and find for yourself.

Reading, after a certain age, diverts the mind too much from its creative pursuits. Any man who reads too much and uses his own brain too little falls into lazy habits of thinking.
Albert Einstein

The most incomprehensible thing about the world is that it is comprehensible.
Albert Einstein

[John Burroughs]

Exactly. How obnoxious can you get with these Einstein quotes? Bad form.

As far as I'm concerned, I prefer silent vice to ostentatious virtue.
Albert Einstein

[Lauren Jones]

Creepy.

[Frank]

"Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler."
Albert Einstein

“When we got within a 50 m distance, the object was producing red and blue light. (…) At this point of positive identification I relayed to CSC, SSgt Coffey. Positive sighting of object…1…color of lights and that it was definitely mechanical in nature. (…) It moved in a zigzagging manner back through the wood then lost sight of it”.
Jim Penniston (jan 1981, witness statement)

”All three of us hit the ground and whatever it was started moving back towards the open field and after a minute or two we got up and moved into the trees and the lights moved out into the open field. We got up to a fence that separated the trees from the open field and you could see the lights down by a farmer’s house. We climbed over the fence and started heading towards the red and blue lights and they just disappeared.”
John Burroughs (jan 1981, witness statement)

”We were about 100 meters from the edge of the forest when I saw a quick movement, it look visible for a moment. It look like it spun left a quarter of a turn, then it was gone.”
Ed Cabansag (jan 1981, witness statement)

”I monitored their progress as they entered the wooded area. They appeared to get very close to the lights and at one point SSgt Penniston stated that it was a definite mechanical object.”
Fred Buran (jan 1981, witness statement)

”On one occasion Penniston relayed that he was close enough to determine that it was definitely a mechanical object. He stated that he was approximately within 50 meters.”
J.D. Chandler (jan 1981, witness statement)

“Penniston did not have time to do what he said he did unless all of us were in some kind of different dimension. 2 of the 3 felt it was there and gone only Jim said it took 45 min.”
John Burroughs (this forum)

“Yes Jim story has changed and I have been one of the people who keeps hammering that fact. What I have been told is that after hypnosis that is when he changed his story.”
John Burroughs (this forum)

“Cabansag was with us when we first came upon the lights and it only lasted a couple of min not over 45 like Penniston has stated. Jim went under hypnosis and that has changed his story allot.”
John Burroughs (this forum)

“We came upon whatever it was and only were close to it briefly. Jim did say he felt it was some kind of object. His statement also stated how close we got to it. His story has changed and I am not sure why. He has told me since he went under hypnosis his memory of the event has changed. Whatever we came upon departed as we got close to it “
John Burroughs (this forum)

“Penniston got the closest to it and said it was a object. The only thing I don't agree with is his statement about how long we were close to it.”
John Burroughs (this forum)

"Any intelligent fool can make things bigger, more complex, and more violent. It takes a touch of genius -- and a lot of courage -- to move in the opposite direction."
Albert Einstein