UK Roswell...

[Sacha Christie]

Just an article I bumbled across today.... thought it was worth a post.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8202157.stm

[slipX]

It's rather surprising that the BBC seem to be still wedded to the 'testimony' of the ludicrous Kevin Conde.

[puddlepirate]

cop cars finding time to muck around off base in a forest in the middle of the night and flying lighthouses. Please! Perhaps it was Elvis Presley riding Shergar?

[Sacha Christie]

Lol!!! Well I'm sure we've all seen and read lots of tosh as far as the RFI is concerned! There was a documentary on tv a few weeks ago about it and there was not a single mention of Larry... the dates were all wrong etc.. so many innacuracies I just turned it off!!

I love the image of Elvis on Shergar....

[Sacha Christie]

Just found another one.... http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstop ... ffolk.html

Makes you wonder whats going on doesn't it? I mean every time ufo's are mentioned on tv it starts with a lengthy blurb about Roswell N.M and now this has been associated with it so that this is the new Roswell.... I got so bored of hearing about Roswell I'd turn over any prog that had it on.. it was like they wanted you to reach saturation point with it so you became disinterested.... Now they are doing it with the RFI.

[puddlepirate]

From taking a step back and comparing the two principal nights, i.e. #1 (JP, JB, C and Ch) with night #2 (Halt et al) it seems very likely that there were two separate incidents that happened on consecutive nights.

Ignoring for a moment the number of personnel deployed to the forest, the three things that stand out most are the facts that:

a. it was dealt with entirely by the USAF
b. they took geiger counters with them
c. that two USAF/NSA investigators went to RAF Watton but found nothing

Possible explanations for a, b and c:

a. This strongly suggests that it was an internal USAF disciplinary issue that was contained within and dealt with by, the internal procedures of the USAF.

There are international protocols that govern excursions into a host nation's sovereign territory so I suspect that the USAF placed a courtesy call to Suffok Constabulary stating they were going off base to deal with an incident involving USAF personnel. As it was only a courtesy call, the full detail of the call was not logged and as it was purely an internal matter for the USAF, the police did not get involved other than perhaps a visit to the forest to liaise with senior officers to check everything was under control.

b and c. These are entirely different matters, undoubtedly linked but almost certainly related to something else. Something far more serious than (a) per se. Whether (a) was the reason for (b) and (c) is not known but given the whole RFI was dealt with by the USAF acting independently of either the local police or British security services, then it is very likely that (a) was indeed the reason for (b) and (c). Could it be that whatever was in the forest was something heavy, possibly containing radio active material and usually fitted to an aircraft and because of that, the investigators sent to Watton were somewhat bemused to discover that there was nothing on the tapes. Hence their insistence that there should be.

Does this mean that someone was playing a prank? Perhaps on night one they were delivering something, placing something in the forest that was either the real thing or looked very much like it and that whatever it was, it was something usually delivered by an aircraft? Could it even have been an act of potential sabotage by a group of USAF personnel? Did they use a tripod with a block and tackle fitted at the apex to hoist whatever it was from the back of a truck to the ground (i.e. lift it up, drive the truck away, then lower it) - was it this tripod, combined with the weight of whatever it was lifting, that left the marks in the ground?

One other thing that baffles me slightly is why did Halt bother to continue the chase as far as he did? He had no positive ID of anything other than odd lights and even those were in the sky, so why continue for what must have been almost a mile beyond the forest? That just does not make any sense at all.

[Sacha Christie]

Yopu ought to write your own article on it PP

[puddlepirate]

LOL.. thanks. I could be very, very wrong and living in fantasy land but I am damned sure I know now what happened but I am not going to post it here. This isn't a wind up. It's simply becaue if you think about it the answer has been staring us in the face all along. Ignore the BS, just stick with the facts, think outside the box and don't be put off by something that at first glance appears too far fetched. If - and it's a very big if - I am right, then the repercussions for the USAF were huge. If not a prank then it could - and I stress only could - have been an officially sanctioned exercise carried out by possibly the only outfit in the world able to successfully execute something like this within the UK. When thinking about this organisation, consider the way they go about their business, the intelligence necessary to support such an op, how they go about obtaining such intelligence, the meticulous planning, the rehearsals, the execution of the plan. It might also help to remember who our PM was, what she said to Bruni; something Williams (not sure if it was him but another high ranking USAF officer) is alleged to have said; what MoD said. Forget ET but not the objective.. don't overlook a very valid objective.

When you put it all together there is only one solution that gives sensible answers to all the questions and disappointingly it doesn't involve Elvis Presley or Shergar. Shame that. I was hoping it did.

[puddlepirate]

Shining up has much the same visual effect as shining down....and nobody had to be in the WSA, just in the general direction of. Halt was in the forest. He could not possibly have seen if the beams were shining down on the WSA. As for the one at his feet.... well the trees are quite tall and it had to come from above. He didn't say where he thought that beam originated from, just that it suddenly shone at his feet for a couple of seconds.

[Sacha Christie]

Can I ask what you mean by shining up is the same as shining down PP? Are you saying that there's a possibility that something could have been planted in the ground to give the effect of lights shining down? I'm just not sure what you meant by that. If I remember correctly the lights seemed to be doing some kind of grid search according to witnesses and also how would anyone know where the troops would end up for them to be stood in exactly the right spot? Forgive me if I misunderstood....

[puddlepirate]

Hi Sacha

I was referring to the beams of light allegedly shining down on the WSA which Halt mentioned. If a beam was shone upwards the visual effect would be much the same as a beam shining down (assuming of course that no source was visible). Halt didn't mention beams shining down from a craft of any kind plus he was in the forest, close to RAF Woodbridge so could not have known if the beams were shining down on the WSA, only that they were in the general direction of Bentwaters.

If at night, you drive up the A10 towards Cambridge, a couple of miles north of Ware in Hertfordshire, you will (or at least until very recently certainly could) see a pencil thin beam of green light pointing skywards, it could equally well be pointing down but the absence of any craft suggests it is pointing up.

Sgt Ball suggested that lights in the sky, not the beams but red lights if I remember correctly, looked as if they were conducting a grid search. There was no noise associated with these lights but they could have been the port side navigation lights of craft operating some distance away, perhaps even off the coast. If these lights were fitted to craft conducting a grid search then the craft would turn at some point and come back over the same area from the opposite direction. What should happen then is that either the red lights are replaced by green or both red and green become visible, with the possible addition of a white searchlight. If the white light was very bright and pointing forwards, it might block out the red and green to anyone watching from the ground. I'd have to test this but a very bright 'night sun' type searchlight used in cold, damp air might produce a visible beam. This doesn't explain lights passing through vehicles and so forth nor (if there was no noise and definitely no helos up) does it explain the beam that landed at Halt's feet.

It is just a broad comment about the beams that appeared towards Bentwaters and the lights that Sgt Ball remarked upon.

[Sacha Christie]

Gotcha... thanks PP