CIA using us

[ghaynes]

Start by looking for a large power source. If this were man made it would need allot of power to make it work. There is a Nuclear power plant up the coast. If there are major lines that lead to a Base on the Coast that might be a start. Also could the light house beam have been used as a source to trigger some kind of effect. Again they would need allot of power and there would br cables going out to the ness. I have read Radar beams can cause a vortex effect plus people have talked about plasma again a engery source. Also that area has had allot of strange events besides ours.What do the locals have to say? It was also reported the people in the farmers house were moved after the incident. finding them would be interesting. Also have there been a large amount of cancer cases in the area?

The power lines from Sizewell head directly inland to connect to the national grid.
I've not heard of any above average cancer cases in the area.
Regards.

Graham

[Observer]

Hi redsocks

I aggree, we can now put Apollo to bed. At least thats one more thing out of the way.
Scientific research is often at the cutting edge when its a military project rather than commercial project. So folks, we need to look at what was going on in the late 70's. The NET must be the best starting block for this but i also suggest Universities as well who are often involved in research projects for their governments.

I suggest that this phenomena is in the physics arena with perhaps some chemistry as well.
Its a natural thing to do to suspect your own government or ally as the culprit, but we must not forget that there are other countries doing high tech military research such as Russia, France and even Sweden so keep this in mind. Don't elliminate any one.

Observer

[John Burroughs]

Looking at what when on in the late 70 to early 80 is fine. But also remember this. Weapons system that are being used today are what was being tested in 1980. Example the stealth fighter for the longest time even towards the end of the 1980's they were still saying it was on the drawing board. But now on the History channel they stated it was used to bomb Libya which means they were testing it in the 1970 range. Does anybody know what kind of power lines lead to the coast and if there are more than usual. Again there would have to be a major power source. On the History Channel special. I saw a pice last night short it will be called UFO Hunters on the History Channel and it should be out soon. There will be several cases to include Bentwaters.

[Observer]

Hi John

From what i have heard and discovered, 2 F-117 prototypes were flying by 1977. [which were smaller than the later production models] By 1978/9 they had some pre production models going and they never entered squadron service untill around 1983. Please any one correct me if i'm wrong.
There is strong evidence that an F-117 was in the UK at that time for radar signature evaluation. This was because we had recently developed 3D radar and they just needed to know its effects on stealth.
The only high voltage power lines in that area were from Sizewell nuclear power station but as Graham has said the lines head inland to connect to the national grid and don't go near the twin bases. There would be standard power lines to the twin bases, local villages/towns and of course RAF Bawdsey. There were also power lines to the Ness.
Perhaps the national grid network can ID the types of lines used and their voltages in that area. google?

Observer

[John Burroughs]

I know for sure there was a active wing of F-117 in 1980. What kind of effect can 3D radar cause. The Question about Penniston and I is a good one. Jim was closer by a few feet to what ever it was than I. Also can someone confirm the F-117 was over in England at that time. If they were testing the Airplane against the 3d radar that would be very interesting.

[John Burroughs]

Also does anyone have a copy of the Mod file that showed General Garbiel comming down to the Base and Collecting all of the Evidnce. Was he stationed at Raf Mildenhall at the time?

[Observer]

John

I'm no expert on Radar but i suspect puddlepirate may be able to explain how 3D Radar works.

I know very little about General Gabriel, love to know what evidence he was supposed to be collecting, was it just statements or hardware as well?

Regarding stealth airplanes, we do know that the F-117 and the B-2 Spirit made regular visits to the UK, but i think it was to a remote RAF base in Scotland. We also have some evidence that the SR-71 replacement 'Aurora' hypersonic spy plane has also visited this base. Cannot prove it but the info came from some aircraft spotter nuts who i know..

There was a time when i thought the Aurora was part of the incident in the forest, or better still part of the Aurora such as its escape system.
Its just a theory.

Observer

[John Burroughs]

Was the Base up in the Prestwick area? Would you be able to find out from the spotters if they were over in that area at that time. Plus where was the 3d radar being tested? Can anybody tell me how to get ahold of Nick Pope or have him get ahold of me. According to what I have been told and it came out from the MOD files and Georgina Bruni talked about it was the Reports that the SP did Ie 1569 and Blotter entrys Also if you remember there was a disscusion about viedo being taken and that it was flowen over to Ramtein. Capt Vereno talked about that with CNN. I think I have come up with what that was it was the radio transmission from the SP net that were recorded through the command post. I thought that it was only from the third night but from waht I have now been told they recored every days transmison on a reel to reel tape and saved them for 7days unless somthing happened on a certain day. And one more thing I have been told about this many times and have confirmed this with investagor in the states. As long as they stayed with the UFO story everthing was ok but as soon as the asked if it could be a military test they started getting harrashed. Plus there is one other interesting tid bit. Ray Boche had a US Sen get involved a guy by the name of Exon and after he looked into would not talk about it.

[Observer]

Hi John

Try, http://www.nickpope.net

RAF Machrihanish is on the Mull of Kintyre which is an island off the West coast of Scotland. Use google, write RAF Machrihanish. A very interesting web site.

Observer

[Observer]

Sorry John, forgot the Radar, probably Bawdsey, but i guess there were a couple more sites in the UK as well.

Observer

[John Burroughs]

Allot of interesting things went on at Bawdsey did they not? Did not someone say part of it was underground. Also did it not come out a long time ago US perdonal visted the base afterwards? And what was the name of the base that they first reported had radar contact and how close was that base to Bawdsey?

[ghaynes]

John

I'm no expert on Radar but i suspect puddlepirate may be able to explain how 3D Radar works.

I know very little about General Gabriel, love to know what evidence he was supposed to be collecting, was it just statements or hardware as well?

Regarding stealth airplanes, we do know that the F-117 and the B-2 Spirit made regular visits to the UK, but i think it was to a remote RAF base in Scotland. We also have some evidence that the SR-71 replacement 'Aurora' hypersonic spy plane has also visited this base. Cannot prove it but the info came from some aircraft spotter nuts who i know..

There was a time when i thought the Aurora was part of the incident in the forest, or better still part of the Aurora such as its escape system.
Its just a theory.

Observer

For what it's worth, I was a 3D Radar Engineer in the RAF. A 3D radar system is usually very high powered and can provide target range, bearing and height information to the controller. 'Normal' surveillance radars only provide range and bearing. Not sure of the relevance to the Rendlesham incident though?
Regards.

Graham

[John Burroughs]

What if it was used on people? IE pointed at a area that peole were in. And was it tested for use with any other program.

[ghaynes]

Allot of interesting things went on at Bawdsey did they not? Did not someone say part of it was underground. Also did it not come out a long time ago US perdonal visted the base afterwards? And what was the name of the base that they first reported had radar contact and how close was that base to Bawdsey?

Yes, Bawdsey was a very interesting place. It was me that said part of it was underground as I worked there for several years.
Think it was RAF Watton that had the radar contact first? Watton is in Norfolk, a fair way north of Bawdsey.
Regards.

Graham

[John Burroughs]

Did Raf Bawdsey have anything to do with Cobra Mist

[ghaynes]

What if it was used on people? IE pointed at a area that peole were in. And was it tested for use with any other program.

The type I worked on had a max. power output of 1.1MW and a range of approx 250 miles. It would only harm someone if they were standing right next to the radar head for a period of time (kinda like sitting inside a microwave oven. That's about all I can say about it though.
Regards.

Graham

[IanR]

Think it was RAF Watton that had the radar contact first?

Except of course there was no radar contact, despite what some people would like you to believe
http://www.ianridpath.com/ufo/rendlesham8.htm
Ian

[ghaynes]

Did Raf Bawdsey have anything to do with Cobra Mist

Not to my knowledge. Cobra Mist was only associated with Orfordness.
Regards.

Graham

[ghaynes]

Think it was RAF Watton that had the radar contact first?

Except of course there was no radar contact, despite what some people would like you to believe
http://www.ianridpath.com/ufo/rendlesham8.htm
Ian

Yep, depends which story you read. One thing which I have never understood is the stories of radar 'tapes' being confiscated at Watton by men in black suits! During my career, I never, ever, heard of radar images being recorded. The only thing we recorded were ATC/aircraft radio transmissions. These audio tapes would be used as evidence in the event of an accident.
Regards.

Graham

[John Burroughs]

If the radar beams were being aimed lets say at a certain area could it cause some kind of weird affect. And what other programs were they working on at Bawdsey?