RADAR Development

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Re: RADAR Development

Postby robert » Sat Aug 09, 2008 9:26 am

http://www.mondovista.com/haarp33.html

At first, the military attempted to describe the HAARP as a substitute for the controversial ELF (low frequency) transmitters. Eastlund's research had demonstrated that the heated "lens" could generate and reflect ELF radio signals if the applied HF power source was pulsed. The large ELF antenna systems in Wisconsin and Michigan could be replaced by the smaller, more efficient HAARP arrays.

http://www.mondovista.com/haarp.exec.html
The military's own Executive Summary of the HAARP program clearly states their reliance on ELF waves. Instead of transmitting these waves from ground based transmitters, HAARP created these waves through the use of "pulse" transmissions of their HF energy beams. Or, to put it another way, HAARP duplicated the ELF signals by turning their signal on and off at rates (30 to 3000 cycles per second) within the ELF range.

The result was that ELF radiation could be directed to a specific area on the surface of the planet, at will.


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Or presumably, at any area above the planets surface ?
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Re: RADAR Development

Postby John Burroughs » Sat Aug 09, 2008 3:28 pm

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The first night there were no road blocks no 67th just us. I cant say that they were not out there on the 3rd night but what is strange Halt didnot know about it. Because if he did we would not have been running around the forrest like we did. Everthing was handled differently from Sunday night on when the C-5 came in and that is when the road blocks and everthing else went on in the forrest. I have always wonder why it happened 3 nights in row Ailens have never showed themselves anywhere that I have know 3 days in a row. If we brought something down both us and the Russian if it was Russian would have been looking for it. Halts memo pulled us away from the 25-26th which was when the Sat came down. The article that silver posted said that the Sat was way off cource and that several other ones came down after to include one other one on the 26th which again Halt tried for years to keep us away from the right days. The excuse that it was a mistake is a jole. if you know the man he does not make those kinds of mistakes in one of his interviews he stated he carried the recorder around to make notes on the base. Anything like was sent to the British would have been reviewed and corrected unless they didnot want the right dates in the first place. If you look at Halts Warrens and even Jims statements through the years they didnot get the dates right so they very well could have been messed with. The British police log finially backed up what i was saying for years. Even the statements were blowen off by Penniston saying that was not his statement. Jim P just told me a few weeks back he knows I was there but he cant evev remember that I was or what i was doing. Only Warren made it into a Ailien encounter nobody else and LW I am not picking on you its just the fact everbody else just stated they saw strange lights except Penniston who from the beggining stated it was mechinal in nature. They really didnot want the dates to be correct and yes they wanted it to be a ailien UFO encounter. Now Robert in his last posting showed ELF could be dirrected into a narrow band could it be done at that time? Did 2 Sat come down in 2 nights? And who would have been looking for them. Did somthing else ours or Russian also come down. And what agency and from where did they come from get involved in the recovery. Also what companys would have been involved in the test? And last but not least can we prove any of this. The things that always bother me were one why 3 nights in a row and why were they dead set on the dates being wrong 2 did we have the tech to do any of this at the time and 3 if they did were we ment to be involved in any of this and what kind of effect did it have on us long term. Robert can you look at what kind of medical effects ELF had on people or equipment and how close you would have to be. And one more thing were there not man holes entrance in the forrest and around the base. If there were it would be interesting to see if there were not cables there also!
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Re: RADAR Development

Postby John Burroughs » Sat Aug 09, 2008 3:58 pm

A couple of other things. One when ever you have a military project going on you create a ufo incident I know of several areas of the country where this goes on Florida and Nevada. If it gets the tag of UFO alot of people who saw stuuf will not talk about it because they will be made fun of so the stuff can still go on. I bet people around bentwaters and Woodbridge have had strange stuff happen but after RFI dont want to talk about it. Also i cant help but beleive the Light house was being used to throw off what was being used. They have a power source underground cables and the NSA had a site there did they not. Robert can you look at that ?
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Re: RADAR Development

Postby Observer » Sat Aug 09, 2008 4:01 pm

John
I think your post has helped a great deal and it does now hopefully point us in the right direction.
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Re: RADAR Development

Postby puddlepirate » Sat Aug 09, 2008 4:21 pm

Hi JB

There certainly are access shafts in the forest. They extend from directly opposite Folly House at the end of the Woodbridge runway. They are at approx 125 yard intervals and run in a line towards the farmer's field. If I could work out how to post images on here I'd post some phots of the access shaft covers that I took in May this year.

I doubt we will ever actually solve the RFI, the closest we are going to get is that something came down which required clandestine recovery and disinformation to divert attention away from the reality of what occurred.
Senior officers of any nation are not idiots - and neither was Halt. Halt was promoted, nobody ever gets promoted for putting out stories about odd lights and so forth unless those stories have been cleared by a higher authority.

What came down or what brought it down, I doubt we will ever know. It might have been a collision, i.e. an accident or it might have been deliberately targeted by sophisticated weaponry based on EM / ELF technology. We know that:

    there was a lot of activity in the forest over three nights
    the C-5, or at least whoever or whatever was in it, was instrumental to that activity
    something was reported in the sky above the village of Sudbourne
    meteors and the decay of Cosmos 749 were visible in the night sky
    Cosmos 749 came in over southern England
    Orfordness and RAF Bawdsey were active experimental radar stations
    LW reported seeing silver suited personnel
    LW reported seeing an unusual mission patch being worn
    some personnel reported symptoms of disorientation and lasting medical
    problems
    that in WW2 chem weapons were stored at RAF stations near to wooded areas
    that something exists underground close to Woodbridge runway, that extends into the forest
    it was rumoured that Hollesley Bay prison was placed on evacuation alert
    nuclear weapons were stored at Bentwates
    the Woodbridge landing lights were damaged
    the ARRS were still training with an Apollo capsule six years after the last Apollo mission

but that is about all we know.

With regard to military projects creating UFO sightings, that is absolutely correct. There have been many such reports from several areas of the UK (e.g. Macrahanish). I can well remember the strange lights over Watford when I was at school in the early 1960's...we found out many years later that the lights were those of a prototype Harrier jump jet being test flown at night. It was built at the Hawker Siddley aircraft factory just a few miles away.
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Re: RADAR Development

Postby John Burroughs » Sat Aug 09, 2008 4:35 pm

What if Halt and even Williams were used and really were not totally in the lop. I cant help but beleive Halt keeps leaving clues amd that is why williams womt have anything to do with him. Plus Williams showed up when Bruni was completeing his book and was asking alot of questions. All i can say is if I come up with enough facts I can force a show down in court. It looks like several of US have medical conditions from this and if nothing else we should be treated and taken care of. I think this needs more follow up and I will keep pushimg on!!
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Re: RADAR Development

Postby Observer » Sat Aug 09, 2008 7:12 pm

John
Good on yer mate, we are with you and as puddle said we may never get to the bottom of the RFI but i'm damn sure we will one day may be sooner than later find out what came down in that forrest. As to what caused 'it' to come down is currently of secondary importance. I think once we know what it was, we can start putting two and two together.

Williams is scared stiff of Halt becuse Halt is dropping clues all over the place and williams is worried about being implicated. Halt said what he knows is his insurance for a rainy day, or words to that effect.
There are ARRS Vets who know what happened because and sorry about the continual repeat, "If i told you, you wouldn't believe me" and, "I value my stripes too much".These were the very words used by my old mate who was an ARRS crew Chief when i talked to him in the mid 80's about the RFI.

It came down slowly by parachute, no doubt about it.

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Re: RADAR Development

Postby puddlepirate » Sat Aug 09, 2008 8:46 pm

Just fishing around for something else that might have been up there....There was this:
Soyuz T-3
(USSR)
Comms: Mayak (Beacon)
Launch: November 27, 1980
Crew: Kizim, Makarov. Strekalov
During this 12-day mission, the cosmonauts made repairs to Salyut 6 in preparation for the fifth crew.
Returned on 10th Dec so nothing to do with RFI.

What is quite interesting (and well known) is that all the Soviet missions landed back on Earth and from the animation available here http://www.spacefacts.info/flash/e_soyuz2.htm it appears they had three reto-rockets to control landing. Penniston noted heiroglyphics that were not recognisable as any known language.

This isn't another theory - not sure what it is, just an observation I suppose - but if a capsule did land back on Earth but in the wrong place and there were scorch marks in the forest and there were guys in space suits with odd patches (although LW saw these at BW, not the forest so that might be an irrelevance), plus odd heiroglyphics - I think Obs might already have mentioned this - then perhaps it was a Soviet or even an Apollo/Soyuz type joint mission. One not publicised in the usual, publicly available lists? A purely military one? Or perhaps there was another scheduled Soyuz T that had a problem soon after lift-off with the re-entry module coming down in an unplanned place?

Soyuz used RP-1 (highly refined kerosene) + Liquid Oxygen (LOX) as fuel, less toxic than hyrdazine, apparently. Not sure what fuel the retro rockets use but possibly the same?

The Soyuz re-entry vehicle is small and very odd looking: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... hou5-3.JPG
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Re: RADAR Development

Postby Observer » Sun Aug 10, 2008 12:33 pm

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I think your observations are in the right ball park. Not enough yet for a theory but lets see if our known evidence takes us into that park. Well done for digging out that info.

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Re: RADAR Development

Postby robert » Mon Aug 11, 2008 10:36 am

3rd of june 1980
The Soviet Salyut 6 space station in orbit
Soyuz cosmonauts return to Earth after linkup with Salyut 6 orbiting space station.

Been quite busy this weekend but I think the Salyut 6 space station was manned at the time of RFI.

The visit was a link up with Salyut 6 but I think it was always manned by at least One of the Cosmonauts who was in the News at the time for the longest period in Space.

They presumably were dodging or repairing their own Satellites. It makes you wonder whether they were attempting to interfere with NASA satellites?

Did NASA have their own space station in orbit at that time?


A point on the Cobra Mist Radar.
I did notice in the FOIA via the US that this Radar was running at 6 - 40 HZ which is quite obviously in the ELF to ULF range.
RAF Brawdy opened until 1995 using a similar system transmitting to the receiver at Ex RAF Blakehill in Wiltshire and part of GCHQ. (Confirmed in the HANSARD questions in the House 1984)

(RAF Brawdy, nr Haverfordwest (USN NAVFAC from 1973. Largest underwater monitoring station in OSIS. Part of Project Caesar (Began 1954 in USA), closed 1994. NSG SOSUS TSC. Caesar SDC-2 1978. Buried along Welsh coastline of St Brides Bay and hundreds of miles out into the Atlantic were cables connecting the rows of underwater listening hydrophones and sensors to the Computer and Analysis facilities at Brawdy. [Linked to similar stations at Keflavik and Hofn in Iceland]. The cables had been laid largely by Mini-Submarines including the Pisces 111 which was famously ‘trapped’ on the seabed off Ireland for a few days in 1973)

(KEFLAVIK, in Iceland as above is one of the sites for HAARP)

The hydrophones mentioned above were an entirely different method of detection to the ELF EM wave detection equipment which was initially designed to signal the Submarines in deep water so they may surface to receive a more complex digital signal from the Satellites. Marconi at the time were involved in manufacturing these Satellites.

As I have mentioned before it is possible that there was an initial test of the ELF at Orford Ness using the ELF but moving from the visible Radar masts to either an underground cable system or a system that would be able to run and look like a telegraph wire sytem on the land based telegraph poles! the latter would obviously be highly susceptible to sabotage and not the way to go.

They would have found like the Americans, that they needed a firm base for the signals and the Pre cambrian rock in South wales was very similar to the Pre Cambrian rock the Americans were using in Wisconsin for their ELF program.( Completed in 1982). (the RFI area and indeed the whole of the Norfolk /Suffolk coast is very soft and not suitable for the ELF signal. This might explain why they were never able to overcome the interference at Orford ness (Unless of course it was a Soviet jamming signal) and hence the need to move to RAF Brawdy around 1984.



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Re: RADAR Development

Postby robert » Tue Aug 12, 2008 7:57 am

DEJA VU

Exmouth, AUSTRALIA.

http://www.tmgnow.com/repository/secret ... skies.html

Very bright white glows have been observed at night emanating from uninhabited bush land just to the east of Tom Price. Fireballs have been reported on several occasions in the period 1973 to 1994 as flying from Exmouth towards the east and the Great Sandy Desert.

In this Tom Price fireball(s) incident we appear to have a possible direct link to a US base. Thus it is feasible that high powered E/M weapon systems are being tested by the USA on Australian soil - or possibly that foreign E/M systems, or off planet alien ufo, interest in the Exmouth USA base is being demonstrated by these sightings.

Regular passage of three such slow speed fireballs, ultimately increasing rapidly to very high speed fireballs, occurring exactly at equal timed intervals, along the same very low altitude trajectory and course, cannot involve any normal meteor or bolide train event. These fireball events do not appear to represent any known natural phenomenon, and certainly appear to fit either the alien "UFO", secret military space plane test, or E/M weapons testing scenarios.

Eyewitness information about the insides of the Exmouth Peninsular US "VLF Submarine Communication" base proves to be extremely interesting.
The main Tx site consists of one central very high aerial called "Tower Zero" placed upon a low hill top and surrounded by 11 eqi-spaced smaller towers (each about 1000 ft. high), each tower is connected by aerial wire forming a series of three concentric circular loops (in excess of 3km diameter).

Tower zero is encased in wood/asbestos sheeting to form a very high enclosed oblong box, it has a two man elevator running up the inside of the tower - the top inner aerial shape is surrounded by a larger enclosed box.

The aerial array utilised enormous quantities of copper tube and wire "ground counterpoise" arrays buried in the ground under the entire complex.

Read the full length episode at the above link .
Bright Skies in Four parts.
BY
HARRY MASON B.Sc., M.Sc., M.A.I.M.M., M.I.M.M., F.G.S. (Geologist-Geophysicist)
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Re: RADAR Development

Postby John Burroughs » Tue Aug 12, 2008 3:33 pm

Can somebody repost where the Sat dishes were located and were they at the BT site or at Marthesham heath. I beleive the dishes if I remember right were located between Woodbridge and the coast!
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Re: RADAR Development

Postby Observer » Tue Aug 12, 2008 4:11 pm

John
There were SAT dishes on the BT site at Martlesham Heath during that period. The USAF COMS site [situated in a field at the bottom of Bell Lane, Kesgrave] had to my recollection mostly large tower antenna. Please any one help out on this as my memory is a bit vague.
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Re: RADAR Development

Postby John Burroughs » Tue Aug 12, 2008 4:15 pm

OK awhile back somebody posted some pictures and even drew a line to the tree where Warren encounter was could you post that again it would help. Robert once they are posted could you see if there is anyway there are any shots of what they were using in Austrila.
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Re: RADAR Development

Postby John Burroughs » Tue Aug 12, 2008 5:08 pm

Very interesting article to say the least and I beleive Silver is going to post somthing on Kirtland Im just wondering where the lighthouse will be placed in these two events??
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Re: RADAR Development

Postby Observer » Tue Aug 12, 2008 5:29 pm

John
From what i remember, there were no 'dishes' between Woodbridge and the coast. The BT RC is situated on the A-12 at the old Marlesham Heath WW-2 airfield, now a housing complex. This puts them on the Ipswich side of Woodbridge.
Somebody posted some great aerial pictures some time back of the area and BT site and they drew a line of sight from the BT dishes through Rendlesham to Orfordness. Appologies for not remembering who that was but can we see this again.
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Re: RADAR Development

Postby robert » Tue Aug 12, 2008 7:20 pm

As far as I know the Martlesham Heath was Post Office telephone anologue exchange then BT when it was Nationalised and they ran the NATO comm line from here to NATO HQ in Belgium. They were the second Exchange in the country after London to go Digital in 1980 so they must have been very high priority at the time.

Ideal for Digital computer communication for Comms and sats etc.

Some info.

http://www.subbrit.org.uk/rsg/sites/f/fylingdales/

As well as its early-warning and space-tracking roles, Fylingdales has a third function. It keeps track of spy satellites used by other countries, so that secret activities in the UK can be carried out when they are not overhead. The armed services, defence manufacturers and research organisations, including universities, take advantage of this facility.
Fylingdales was also an important site in the North Atlantic Radio System (NARS) - a `troposcatter' radio network which connected to the USA via stations at Mormond Hill in Aberdeenshire, the Faroes, Iceland, Greenland and Canada. Later a southern link to Martlesham Heath near Ipswich was added, codenamed Project Tea Bag!




http://www.connected-earth.com/gallerie ... switching/


BT Laboratories, Martlesham (1975) : new ideas, new locationBT Laboratories, Martlesham Heath, after opening in 1975

The British telephone industry has a long tradition of innovation and, in 1975, Queen Elizabeth II opened a new research and development centre at Martlesham Heath in Suffolk dedicated to research and development.

The Martlesham facility replaced the old Post Office research station at Dollis Hill in north London and is now the home of BT Laboratories.

The location was perfect because the surrounding countryside is relatively flat and therefore ideal for testing the radio-based communication systems in vogue at the time. Before the Post Office moved in, it had been an RAF base, used for aviation research during the First World War and later as a base for fighter planes in the Second World War.

Today it is one of the most advanced centres for telecommunications research in Europe. It has supported many 'leading edge' developments, including BT's pioneering work on optical fibre technology and submarine cable transmission systems. Now called Adastral Park, it is host to a science park and is one of BT's five satellite earth stations.


System X goes live (1980) : the switch from analogue to digitalLaunch of System X at Baynard House , 1980

The first System X digital exchange was brought into service on July 1, 1980, at London's Baynard House and formally inaugurated in September of that year. This was a tandem junction unit which switched PCM traffic between around 40 of London's telephone exchanges. The following year a second System X exchange was brought into service at Woodbridge in Suffolk. This was a 'local' exchange connected directly to customer lines.

The development of 'System X' exchanges was the cornerstone of modernisation of the existing network, by replacing analogue exchanges with digital switching centres interconnected with digital transmission links. It enabled an increased variety of facilities and services to be made available to the telecommunications user, resulting in ISDN (Integrated Services Digital Network) and ISDN 2.
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Re: RADAR Development

Postby robert » Tue Aug 12, 2008 7:31 pm

Just a small point on the lines connection.

If you go the other way and go due West you will hit RAF Brawdy / NAVFAC SOSUS base in South Wales!

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Re: RADAR Development

Postby John Burroughs » Tue Aug 12, 2008 8:00 pm

Or is it? The NSA had a site at Orford why could they not have used the beame comming from the lighthouse to throw some kind of effect out?
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Re: RADAR Development

Postby Observer » Tue Aug 12, 2008 10:29 pm

ST
Thanks for posting those pictures again.
Robert,
Most of us already knew the BT RC history as we threaded it last year and PP worked for BT so we had first hand knowledge from a forum member not to mention that i had friends who worked there.
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